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gregory.thomas＠nbc.com

6 Jul 2000 6 Jul '00

16:17

-----Original Message----- From: Derek Fountain [mailto:fountai@hursley.ibm.com] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 8:20 AM To: SuSE English Subject: Re: [SLE] Corel - some good news for a change

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There are still a number of morons out there who think anything with Winelib behind it isn't a Linux application so they won't use it. Don't listen to them. This is a classy application, ported to Linux, just like we are screaming for vendors to do. It works well, and they've given it away free - possibly as a showcase. It seems that good. Corel are struggling and they deserve our support.

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I resent that, Derek. I'm certainly no moron, and it ISN'T a Linux app. if it depends on Wine....which I don't and won't use.

Resent it all you like. Corel's apps don't depend on Wine. They depend on Winelib. People who form opinions about what is and isn't a Linux app when they clearly don't know what is going on, then spout that opinion to all who will listen, are, IMHO, morons.

You defend Winelib here but in your last message you admit to what I think is a showstopper. If these Windows apps are using different versions of Winelib then we are going to run into our own version of dll hell. Not to mention Samy's concern with using Winelib on older hardware. WP8 has always worked great for me and I will continue using it as long as it runs on my system. When WP8 no longer runs, I will switch to another native wordprocessor. Greg Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq

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bonzo41＠acropolis.net

6 Jul 6 Jul

21:26

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I tested Corel PhotoPaint 9 for Linux for two days. I waited for it, version 5 was my very first image editing application and I am pretty much acustomed to it's usage. The main thing is that I am rather dissapointed by it, it feels much more slower than Win 32 version and I guess that it has do to with Wine usage. But to be fair releasing it for free was a very good step by Corel and quite unexpected. I did like the installer too. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq

fountai＠hursley.ibm.com

7 Jul 7 Jul

07:55

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Well, I maintain they are not Windows apps, but I see your point. But be fair - Winelib is still alpha code. Corel may have jumped the gun by using it before version 1 is out, so if they get into a mess they only have themselves to blame. But I doubt they will have problems. IBM's Toppage (now called Home Page Builder) uses Winelib, but that application is in beta, so they've just taken a snapshot of a Winelib they knew worked reasonably well. You can't say we're heading for DLL hell when these products are only just appearing. When Winelib hits v1.0 (that's a goal that is being worked towards now), applications will be made to work with it, just like when any other library is updated. The early pioneers might find they have to issue patches to get around binary incompatibilites, but that's no huge problem. I've never told anyone what they should and shouldn't use. We're on a platform where we have plenty of choice, which is great. What bugs me is that people who should know better pontificate their opinions that apps which have been ported from Windows using Winelib are not native Linux apps, and therefore should not be supported. This is crap, and newbies shouldn't listen to it. People who are producing top quality apps for Linux should receive nothing but enthusiastic support. Those who are into negative advocacy should simply use something else and keep their mouths shut.

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You defend Winelib here but in your last message you admit to what I think is a showstopper. If these Windows apps are using different versions of Winelib then we are going to run into our own version of dll hell. Not to mention Samy's concern with using Winelib on older hardware. WP8 has always worked great for me and I will continue using it as long as it runs on my system. When WP8 no longer runs, I will switch to another native wordprocessor.

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tbutler＠uninetsolutions.com

10 Jul 10 Jul

21:28

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You defend Winelib here but in your last message you admit to what I think is a showstopper. If these Windows apps are using different versions of Winelib then we are going to run into our own version of dll hell. Not to

As long as it keeps it's libraries in it's own directory, "DLL hell" won't ever happen in Linux.

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mention Samy's concern with using Winelib on older hardware. WP8 has always

Any proof winelib apps run slower? I must beg to differ with Samy anyway. I have Windows 98 running nicely on a 486 DX2 66 and really good on both a Pentium 100 and a PPro 166. Nearly any modern hardware can handle Windows based code.

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worked great for me and I will continue using it as long as it runs on my system. When WP8 no longer runs, I will switch to another native wordprocessor.

Doesn't WP8 use Winelib too? And if not, it probably has some proprietary library similar to it - unless you really believe Corel wrote WP8 from scratch for Linux. -Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ===================== "Solutions that Work" =====================

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samelash＠ix.netcom.com

16:35

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Tim , your contradicting your self <grin> Good question thogh , does corel WPO2000 ise wine or winelib ? Fact - applixware runs better/quicker on the same P150 than WPO2000. In my optinion WPO2000 was not usable on that calss hardware , where as applixware is usable on the same box. It just took to long for the scroll boxes and text highlighting to show up on WPO2000 , where as they came up right away on applixware. If your using win98 on a 486 , then I am preetty sure you would be ahppy with corel WPO2000 on a P150. I on the other hand use an AMD K6/350 , and use the P150 , and just couldent stand waiting for WPO2000 to redraw the sceen and such. Spioled you maight say. I bet you would realy freak pout with one of the new gigahertz PIII/athalons. At 04:28 PM 7/10/2000 -0500, Timothy R. Butler wrote:

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You defend Winelib here but in your last message you admit to what I think is a showstopper. If these Windows apps are using different versions of Winelib then we are going to run into our own version of dll hell. Not to

As long as it keeps it's libraries in it's own directory, "DLL hell" won't

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happen in Linux.

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mention Samy's concern with using Winelib on older hardware. WP8 has always

Any proof winelib apps run slower? I must beg to differ with Samy anyway. I have Windows 98 running nicely on a 486 DX2 66 and really good on both a Pentium 100 and a PPro 166. Nearly any modern hardware can handle Windows based code.

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worked great for me and I will continue using it as long as it runs on my system. When WP8 no longer runs, I will switch to another native wordprocessor.

Doesn't WP8 use Winelib too? And if not, it probably has some proprietary

ever library

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similar to it - unless you really believe Corel wrote WP8 from scratch for Linux.

-Tim

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tbutler＠uninetsolutions.com

11 Jul 11 Jul

03:32

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Samy

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Good question thogh , does corel WPO2000 ise wine or winelib ?

Uh, I meant is WP8 (not 2000) using WINELIB or does it use something COREL created internally? WP2000 uses WINELIB. Any app ported from Windows, and compiled in Linux using any type of WINE will use WINELIB. Wine is only for apps that weren't ported.

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If your using win98 on a 486 , then I am preetty sure you would be ahppy with corel WPO2000 on a P150.

We'll actually I use a PII 450 with 256 Megs of RAM for most of my work, but I do administer a two 486 (including my 486 DX4 laptop and the aforementioned DX2 66 desktop). HTH, Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ===================== "Solutions that Work" =====================

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I on the other hand use an AMD K6/350 , and use the P150 , and just couldent stand waiting for WPO2000 to redraw the sceen and such. Spioled you maight say.

I bet you would realy freak pout with one of the new gigahertz PIII/athalons.

At 04:28 PM 7/10/2000 -0500, Timothy R. Butler wrote:

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You defend Winelib here but in your last message you admit to what I think is a showstopper. If these Windows apps are using different versions of Winelib then we are going to run into our own version of dll hell. Not to

As long as it keeps it's libraries in it's own directory, "DLL hell" won't

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happen in Linux.

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mention Samy's concern with using Winelib on older hardware. WP8 has always

Any proof winelib apps run slower? I must beg to differ with Samy anyway. I have Windows 98 running nicely on a 486 DX2 66 and really good on both a Pentium 100 and a PPro 166. Nearly any modern hardware can handle Windows based code.

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worked great for me and I will continue using it as long as it runs on my system. When WP8 no longer runs, I will switch to another native wordprocessor.

Doesn't WP8 use Winelib too? And if not, it probably has some proprietary

ever library

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similar to it - unless you really believe Corel wrote WP8 from scratch for Linux.

-Tim

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tabanna＠aig.forthnet.gr

10 Jul 10 Jul

23:40

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On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Timothy R. Butler wrote:

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Nearly any modern hardware can handle Windows based code.

~ Windows95 will not run on AMD K6/2 that are are faster than 350 mhz { I was told that there used to be a patch to fix this, on M$ web-site, but it seems to have been removed } best :) -- ____________ sent on Linux ____________ This Email is 100% Virus Free! How do I know? ~ Because no Microsoft products were used to generate it! -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq

tbutler＠uninetsolutions.com

11 Jul 11 Jul

03:53

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Windows 95 won't? Hmm... I was thinking slower hardware was the problem, not faster. <g> Oh well... maybe I should just go to bed. ;-) -Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ===================== "Solutions that Work" =====================

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-----Original Message----- From: tabanna [mailto:tabanna@aig.forthnet.gr] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 6:41 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: RE: [SLE] Corel - some good news for a change

On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Timothy R. Butler wrote:

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Nearly any modern hardware can handle Windows based code.

~ Windows95 will not run on AMD K6/2 that are are faster than 350 mhz { I was told that there used to be a patch to fix this, on M$ web-site, but it seems to have been removed }

best :)

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samelash＠ix.netcom.com

08:22

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there is a patch for this , have you checked the amd web sight ? I have win98 on my amd box so oits not an issue. At 11:40 PM 7/10/2000 +0000, tabanna wrote:

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On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Timothy R. Butler wrote:

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Nearly any modern hardware can handle Windows based code.

~ Windows95 will not run on AMD K6/2 that are are faster than 350 mhz { I was told that there used to be a patch to fix this, on M$ web-site, but it seems to have been removed }

best :)

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tabanna＠aig.forthnet.gr

16:59

New subject: [SLE] Windows95 will not run on AMD K6/2 that are are faster than 350 mhz | Fix on AMD Web Site

On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Samy Elashmawy wrote:

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there is a patch for this , have you checked the amd web site ?

~ Gee, Samy, thanks for the info :) Maybe it was a 'blessing in disguise' that I did not know ! .. . . I took Windows95 off my 'Puter, and jumped into the Linux Pool, at the deep-end . . . Glad I did . . . Happy now . . . Star Office solved all compatibility problems, enabling me smoothly to import .XLS and .DOC files into Star Office which works good with 128 MB RAM . . . takes about 20 seconds to load Star Office. best wishes Richard Aegina, Greece -- ____________ sent on Linux ____________ This Email is 100% Virus Free! How do I know? ~ Because no Microsoft products were used to generate it! -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq

samelash＠ix.netcom.com

14:15

New subject: [SLE] Windows95 will not run on AMD K6/2 that are are faster than 350 mhz | Fix on AMD Web Site

At 04:59 PM 7/11/2000 +0000, tabanna wrote:

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On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Samy Elashmawy wrote:

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there is a patch for this , have you checked the amd web site ?

~ Gee, Samy, thanks for the info :)

~ your welcome , its on the amd websight if you would like to look for it. Sorry I dont run win95 on amd 350/400 cpu , do I dont have the detials on hand.

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Maybe it was a 'blessing in disguise' that I did not know !

Glad your ahppy with linux. win98 is the end of the line here. We have two boxes with win95 on one and win98 on the other with both running dual boot. the other three boxes are M$free and runing linux. all new computers are linux boz=xes. the current two suport out M$ needs just fine while we phase M$ out.

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.. . . I took Windows95 off my 'Puter, and jumped into the Linux Pool, at the deep-end . . . Glad I did . . . Happy now . . . Star Office solved

I am using applixare runs realy nicely on a P150 with 64 meg ram. Star office was wat too slow.

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all compatibility problems, enabling me smoothly to import .XLS and .DOC files into Star Office which works good with 128 MB RAM . . . takes about 20 seconds to load Star Office.

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neonatus＠gimp.thz.net

22:13

New subject: [SLE] Windows95 will not run on AMD K6/2 that are are faster than 350 mhz | Fix on AMD Web Site

* On 12-07-00 at 00:03 Samy Elashmawy (samelash@ix.netcom.com) wrote: +----Here quoted text begins----+ [...]

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I am using applixare runs realy nicely on a P150 with 64 meg ram. Star office was wat too slow. [...] +----and here the quote ends----+ Is there a free version of aplixware - like the SO personal version maybe? Since my programe budget (0$) cannot afford to pay for licence fees and I don't have 128Mb ram to run SO that efficiently. (my laptop has only 24mb).

THX in advance! Bostjan -- Bo¹tjan Müller [NEONATUS], neonatus@gimp.thz.net, http://surf.to/NEONATUS For my PGP key finger: neonatus@gimp.thz.net, RSA id: 0x90178DBD, ICQ #:7506644 Celular: +386(0)41243189, Powered by S.u.S.E. Linux 6.2, Student of VFUL It's not a bug, it's tradition! -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq

samelash＠ix.netcom.com

17:16

New subject: [SLE] Windows95 will not run on AMD K6/2 that are are faster than 350 mhz | Fix on AMD Web Site

The suse cdrom set has a demo version of Applixware 4.X . Its good for 30 or 60 days or somthing. Some other options are 1/ but the new one (around 99.00 or chaper) version 5 2/ Maxwell (works nice , especialy on low end hardware however it is on the plian side. 3/ Download WP8 (post to the list for the url) Note there are some installation issues on 6.4 so you need that info (post ato the list for the deatials) 4/ check out www.linux.org and go to the applications link and see what they ghave listed for word processsors ect... At 12:13 AM 7/12/2000 +0200, Bostjan Muller wrote:

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* On 12-07-00 at 00:03 Samy Elashmawy (samelash@ix.netcom.com) wrote: +----Here quoted text begins----+ [...]

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I am using applixare runs realy nicely on a P150 with 64 meg ram. Star office was wat too slow. [...] +----and here the quote ends----+ Is there a free version of aplixware - like the SO personal version maybe? Since my programe budget (0$) cannot afford to pay for licence fees and I don't have 128Mb ram to run SO that efficiently. (my laptop has only 24mb).

THX in advance!

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jack＠malone.tyler.com

18:19

New subject: [SLE] Windows95 will not run on AMD K6/2 that are are faster than 350 mhz | Fix on AMD Web Site

Yeah its a timing issue with the processors of amd 350 an above. I have the patch around somewhere here at work on a floppy but you should be able to find it on the amd website also. jack At 04:59 PM 7/11/00 +0000, tabanna wrote:

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On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Samy Elashmawy wrote:

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there is a patch for this , have you checked the amd web site ?

~ Gee, Samy, thanks for the info :)

Maybe it was a 'blessing in disguise' that I did not know ! .. . . I took Windows95 off my 'Puter, and jumped into the Linux Pool, at the deep-end . . . Glad I did . . . Happy now . . . Star Office solved all compatibility problems, enabling me smoothly to import .XLS and .DOC files into Star Office which works good with 128 MB RAM . . . takes about 20 seconds to load Star Office.

best wishes

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creimer＠rahul.net

18:21

New subject: [SLE] Windows95 will not run on AMD K6/2 that are are faster than 350 mhz | Fix on AMD Web Site

On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Jack Malone wrote:

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Yeah its a timing issue with the processors of amd 350 an above. I have the patch around somewhere here at work on a floppy but you should be able to find it on the amd website also.

You can also go to the AMD support site. They usually have an updated link to the Microsoft patch. Christopher Reimer -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq

stardatecomputers＠eircom.net

18:10

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I have built and sold PC's running Windows 95 with K6/2 400, 450 500 & 550Mhz with no problems. I did not even realise it was an issue. Keith Gibbons, StarDate Computer Service, SCS House, Garrymore, Geashill, Co.Offaly, Ireland. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samy Elashmawy" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:22 AM Subject: RE: [SLE] Corel - some good news for a change

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there is a patch for this , have you checked the amd web sight ? I have win98 on my amd box so oits not an issue.

At 11:40 PM 7/10/2000 +0000, tabanna wrote:

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On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Timothy R. Butler wrote:

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Nearly any modern hardware can handle Windows based code.

~ Windows95 will not run on AMD K6/2 that are are faster than 350 mhz { I was told that there used to be a patch to fix this, on M$ web-site, but it seems to have been removed }

best :)

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geeko＠btinternet.com

26 Jun 26 Jun

11:28

New subject: [SLE] Corel - some good news for a change

Must be the luck of the Irish! :) But, seriously, there IS an issue with it... no exceptions. If they haven't had any problems, then they more than likely will [BSOD - kernel.vxd issue]. It is a well known problem with the AMD 350+ in Win95... it was a memory timing issue. Of course, if you put PC66 SDRAM in (Pre 1998) then this slows the memory timing down to 66MHz, therefore bypassing the memory timing problem... this in turn makes the system run slower than the normal 350+ machines that SHOULD have PC100 memory in as these run at a 100MHz backbone Kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Gibbons To: SuSE Linux ; Samy Elashmawy Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] Corel - some good news for a change

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I have built and sold PC's running Windows 95 with K6/2 400, 450 500 & 550Mhz with no problems. I did not even realise it was an issue.

Keith Gibbons, StarDate Computer Service, SCS House, Garrymore, Geashill, Co.Offaly, Ireland.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Samy Elashmawy" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:22 AM Subject: RE: [SLE] Corel - some good news for a change

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there is a patch for this , have you checked the amd web sight ? I have win98 on my amd box so oits not an issue.

At 11:40 PM 7/10/2000 +0000, tabanna wrote:

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On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Timothy R. Butler wrote:

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Nearly any modern hardware can handle Windows based code.

~ Windows95 will not run on AMD K6/2 that are are faster than 350 mhz { I was told that there used to be a patch to fix this, on M$ web-site, but it seems to have been removed }

best :)

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