[opensuse] Bye all
I would like to say goodbye. During an discussion on the Packman mailing list about the security policy of the Packman repo (see http://schiffbauer.net/pipermail/packman/2007-November/thread.html ) I realized openSUSE isn't what I looking for. To be honest this has also something to do with the rude manner in which my questions were answered. I really liked openSUSE 10.3 and the roadmap that lays ahead. I wish you all good luck and thanks for helping me with all my questions. For now I'll restore my Gentoo image and I will concentrate on building a Gentoo distribution. @About The Dutch Mailing List Unfortunately this also means I can't continue my support for the Dutch mailing list. I hope you understand and sorry for the inconvenience. @Freek I am really sorry but this means I won't be able to help out with the Dutch wiki. -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 00:31 +0100, Aniruddha wrote:
I would like to say goodbye. During an discussion on the Packman mailing list about the security policy of the Packman repo (see http://schiffbauer.net/pipermail/packman/2007-November/thread.html ) I realized openSUSE isn't what I looking for. To be honest this has also something to do with the rude manner in which my questions were answered.
I really liked openSUSE 10.3 and the roadmap that lays ahead. I wish you all good luck and thanks for helping me with all my questions. For now I'll restore my Gentoo image and I will concentrate on building a Gentoo distribution.
@About The Dutch Mailing List Unfortunately this also means I can't continue my support for the Dutch mailing list. I hope you understand and sorry for the inconvenience.
@Freek I am really sorry but this means I won't be able to help out with the Dutch wiki.
-- Regards,
Aniruddha
Actually, I kind of enjoyed your postings and learned some things from the questiosn you've posed so far. You seemed like a highly motivated person and the type of person to keep above the frick 'n fray (those 'manner-less' members). I always know when I see an Aniruddha message, there's usually going to be some good information from or to you that I benefit from as well. Wish you didn't have to go. Hope you'll change your mind and stay. -- ---Bryen--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 19:00 -0500, Bryen wrote:
Actually, I kind of enjoyed your postings and learned some things from the questiosn you've posed so far. You seemed like a highly motivated person and the type of person to keep above the frick 'n fray (those 'manner-less' members). I always know when I see an Aniruddha message, there's usually going to be some good information from or to you that I benefit from as well.
Wish you didn't have to go. Hope you'll change your mind and stay.
-- ---Bryen---
Bryen, thank you, you are to kind ;). You helped me a lot to understand openSUSE better. Unfortunately keeping "above the frick 'n fray" costs a lot of energy and time. This is time and energy I rather spend on the wine appdb (where I maintain lot's of games) and other open source projects where people are less rude. -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Aniruddha wrote:
Bryen, thank you, you are to kind ;). You helped me a lot to understand openSUSE better. Unfortunately keeping "above the frick 'n fray" costs a lot of energy and time. This is time and energy I rather spend on the wine appdb (where I maintain lot's of games) and other open source projects where people are less rude.
If you think this lot is rude, you'd have a lot of fun with the BSD folks! Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 17:13 -0700, joe wrote:
Aniruddha wrote:
Bryen, thank you, you are to kind ;). You helped me a lot to understand openSUSE better. Unfortunately keeping "above the frick 'n fray" costs a lot of energy and time. This is time and energy I rather spend on the wine appdb (where I maintain lot's of games) and other open source projects where people are less rude.
If you think this lot is rude, you'd have a lot of fun with the BSD folks!
Joe
Lol, thank for the warning. Btw I it is not the opensuse mailinglist that I think is rude. It was the discussion with the packman devs on the packman mailing list (http://schiffbauer.net/pipermail/packman/2007-November/thread.html ) And fortunately enough Martin Glazer was kind to enough to provide an up to dat example on rude behavior ^_^ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Lol, thank for the warning. Btw I it is not the opensuse mailinglist that I think is rude. It was the discussion with the packman devs on the packman mailing list (http://schiffbauer.net/pipermail/packman/2007-November/thread.html )
And fortunately enough Martin Glazer was kind to enough to provide an up to dat example on rude behavior ^_^
Hi Aniruddha, I forgot to ask. It is clear by the link you posted that the packman are really terrible people in a gang. So I was wondering when (and where) we are goin to see your multimedia, restricted and new software packages for opensuse, and how can we use them in our distros? Thanks again, and Im waiting for your more secure job on maintaining a more secure version of the most important third party repository for suse Marcio Ferreira --- Druid -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 22:34 -0200, Druid wrote:
Lol, thank for the warning. Btw I it is not the opensuse mailinglist that I think is rude. It was the discussion with the packman devs on the packman mailing list (http://schiffbauer.net/pipermail/packman/2007-November/thread.html )
And fortunately enough Martin Glazer was kind to enough to provide an up to dat example on rude behavior ^_^
Hi Aniruddha,
I forgot to ask. It is clear by the link you posted that the packman are really terrible people in a gang. So I was wondering when (and where) we are goin to see your multimedia, restricted and new software packages for opensuse, and how can we use them in our distros?
Thanks again, and Im waiting for your more secure job on maintaining a more secure version of the most important third party repository for suse
Marcio Ferreira --- Druid
Your reasoning is so flawed by itself that it isn't even necessary for me to respond. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----Original Message----- From: joe [mailto:joe@tmsusa.com] Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 8:14 PM To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] Bye all
Aniruddha wrote:
Bryen, thank you, you are to kind ;). You helped me a lot to understand openSUSE better. Unfortunately keeping "above the frick 'n fray" costs a lot of energy and time. This is time and energy I rather spend on the wine appdb (where I maintain lot's of games) and other open source projects where people are less rude.
If you think this lot is rude, you'd have a lot of fun with the BSD folks!
Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
So what is it? Every question I asked, I always got a prompt and polite response. But, of course I also researched my problem first and try to post the relevant material to get a good response. So when someone asks them for more information to answer then we're rude? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 04 November 2007 00:31:40 Aniruddha wrote:
I would like to say goodbye. During an discussion on the Packman mailing list about the security policy of the Packman repo (see http://schiffbauer.net/pipermail/packman/2007-November/thread.html ) I realized openSUSE isn't what I looking for. To be honest this has also something to do with the rude manner in which my questions were answered.
The rudeness aspect I can certainly agree with. There is hardly ever a reason to be rude. The security aspects however I can not. If you seriously believe that you can get more security out of gentoo, you are seriously mistaken. And if you are really basing your own commercial for-pay service on an upstream gratis volunteer service, you are a lawsuit waiting to happen You may trust gentoo, but what if something happens? No one has paid gentoo anything, so why should they care? And even if they do care, they certainly won't get out of bed at 2am to help you solve your problems If you are really serious about starting an IT company and selling service to your customers, you need to either be prepared to provide that service yourself, or contract with some other company to do that service for you. Gratis is nice, but there really are no deadlines in open source And about your thread on packman, I hope you know that a "malicious change" can be as simple as changing a buffer size check from 10 to 11, or changing fgets to gets. No rootkit detector in the world will find that, but after such a change, a malicious user can walk right in Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 01:23 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Sunday 04 November 2007 00:31:40 Aniruddha wrote:
I would like to say goodbye. During an discussion on the Packman mailing list about the security policy of the Packman repo (see http://schiffbauer.net/pipermail/packman/2007-November/thread.html ) I realized openSUSE isn't what I looking for. To be honest this has also something to do with the rude manner in which my questions were answered.
The rudeness aspect I can certainly agree with. There is hardly ever a reason to be rude.
Even worse theses type of discussions tend to distract from the main argument thereby hampering any progress that could be made.
The security aspects however I can not. If you seriously believe that you can get more security out of gentoo, you are seriously mistaken.
That would be a conclusion. And I haven't reached a conclusion yet since I was to busy investigating and asking questions ;)
And if you are really basing your own commercial for-pay service on an upstream gratis volunteer service, you are a lawsuit waiting to happen
You may trust gentoo, but what if something happens? No one has paid gentoo anything, so why should they care? And even if they do care, they certainly won't get out of bed at 2am to help you solve your problems
If you are really serious about starting an IT company and selling service to your customers, you need to either be prepared to provide that service yourself, or contract with some other company to do that service for you. Gratis is nice, but there really are no deadlines in open source
Like I said earlier. An OS is to me is a tool, and I would like to use the best tool for the job. My main "tool" is Windows since 99% of my customers use that. Besides Windows I would like to offer an alternative. Since Linux in my opinion is also a tool I try to determine the best tool for each job. For one customer that can be openSUSE, another one SLED or Red Hat, etc. etc. That's why I asked all these questions, to help me determine which "tool" to use for which "job".
And about your thread on packman, I hope you know that a "malicious change" can be as simple as changing a buffer size check from 10 to 11, or changing fgets to gets. No rootkit detector in the world will find that, but after such a change, a malicious user can walk right in
Anders
Interesting point. I didn't know that. This change would create a buffer overflow attack right? -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 04 November 2007 01:39:50 Aniruddha wrote:
On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 01:23 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:
And about your thread on packman, I hope you know that a "malicious change" can be as simple as changing a buffer size check from 10 to 11, or changing fgets to gets. No rootkit detector in the world will find that, but after such a change, a malicious user can walk right in
Anders
Interesting point. I didn't know that. This change would create a buffer overflow attack right?
Yes it would. And there are millions of variations, more or less subtle, that no one would notice unless they were specifically looking for it. http://kerneltrap.org/node/1584 is one of the better known examples. Something like that would be completely impossible to find programmatically Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello Aniruddha, I don't know if ever been at the fosdem in Belgium: http://www.fosdem.org/ . There have been quite a few discussions how to handle the buildservice tree. I think it would be very good if you'd come to the fosdem, as i assume de openSuSE people will also been there. The people at openSuSE are very open to improvements. I'd say come to the fosdem. You'll also be able to meet up with gentoo people as they are also there at least last year. By the way i think it's impossible to give security guaranties for tries that are maintained by maintainers who are doing it in their space time. Also because some packages might be maintained by one person. If the person is not able to build the fixed package, for what ever reason, after a fixed security bug you end up with a potentially dangerous package. I cant imagine this doesn't apply for gentoo. By the way I'm very happy with and thankful for the people who use the spare time building and maintaining packages and doing other work for openSuSE. Regards, Joop. Aniruddha wrote:
I would like to say goodbye. During an discussion on the Packman mailing list about the security policy of the Packman repo (see http://schiffbauer.net/pipermail/packman/2007-November/thread.html ) I realized openSUSE isn't what I looking for. To be honest this has also something to do with the rude manner in which my questions were answered.
I really liked openSUSE 10.3 and the roadmap that lays ahead. I wish you all good luck and thanks for helping me with all my questions. For now I'll restore my Gentoo image and I will concentrate on building a Gentoo distribution.
@About The Dutch Mailing List Unfortunately this also means I can't continue my support for the Dutch mailing list. I hope you understand and sorry for the inconvenience.
@Freek I am really sorry but this means I won't be able to help out with the Dutch wiki.
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