RE: [opensuse] double dual boot with windows
9 Dec
2015
9 Dec
'15
20:26
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: buhorojo > Gesendet: Mi. 09.12.2015 21:14 > An: opensuse@opensuse.org > Betreff: [opensuse] double dual boot with windows > > Hi > We have a laptop with windows 8.1. We'd like to install leap alongside. > We booted from a usb but only got the option to install. Is it possible > to do this? > Thanks > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org > To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht Ende----- Yes you can install opensuse as dual boot with windows. You should before: - create a restore disk for windows if you do not own a full licences in case things should go south on you. - make sure you did defragment the file system completely. This is important when you will resize the partition of windows. - make a full backup off your data and licences etc. Every such procedure bears an intrinsic risk. You want to make sure you minimize. I found myself comfortable to prepare the disk with a lifeCD of parted magic or with gparted. Make a reasoned choice on how much space you want to dedicate for linux, how much for Windows. You may wish to create a little dedicated fat32 Partition to share files between the two installs (as both will be able to read and write it, although the latter is not a prerogative, I just put it as a suggestion. Just to be clear, backup of personal data and of licences is paramount IMO to avoid bad experiences. If you did free up the space the procedure is straightforward and the binding in of windows is done via the grub2 boot manager. Windows will appear as a choice after the first boot of opensuse. Personally I did not try the build in partition-tool for this, I found a dedicated life CD more convenient. I think it is possible to get a usb version for this too. But I never tried. YMMV, others may advice better if they have sound experience with the partition tool of the install disk of NTFS. Have fun. --- Alle Postfächer an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! http://email.freenet.de/basic/Informationen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
9 Dec
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21:09
New subject: [opensuse] double dual boot with windows
On 09/12/15 21:26, stakanov@freenet.de wrote: >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: buhorojo >> Gesendet: Mi. 09.12.2015 21:14 >> An: opensuse@opensuse.org >> Betreff: [opensuse] double dual boot with windows >> >> Hi >> We have a laptop with windows 8.1. We'd like to install leap alongside. >> We booted from a usb but only got the option to install. Is it possible >> to do this? >> Thanks >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org >> To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org >> >> >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht Ende----- > Yes you can install opensuse as dual boot with windows. > You should before: > - create a restore disk for windows if you do not own a full licences in case things should go south on you. > - make sure you did defragment the file system completely. This is important when you will resize the partition of windows. Can we do the latter from the installation usb? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
21:12
New subject: [opensuse] double dual boot with windows
On 12/09/2015 12:26 PM, stakanov@freenet.de wrote: >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: buhorojo >> Gesendet: Mi. 09.12.2015 21:14 >> An: opensuse@opensuse.org >> Betreff: [opensuse] double dual boot with windows >> >> Hi >> We have a laptop with windows 8.1. We'd like to install leap alongside. >> We booted from a usb but only got the option to install. Is it possible >> to do this? >> Thanks >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org >> To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org >> >> >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht Ende----- > Yes you can install opensuse as dual boot with windows. > You should before: > - create a restore disk for windows if you do not own a full licences in case things should go south on you. > - make sure you did defragment the file system completely. This is important when you will resize the partition of windows. > - make a full backup off your data and licences etc. Every such procedure bears an intrinsic risk. You want to make sure you minimize. > > > I found myself comfortable to prepare the disk with a lifeCD of parted magic or with gparted. Make a reasoned choice on how much space you want to dedicate for linux, how much for Windows. You may wish to create a little dedicated fat32 Partition to share files between the two installs (as both will be able to read and write it, although the latter is not a prerogative, I just put it as a suggestion. > > > Just to be clear, backup of personal data and of licences is paramount IMO to avoid bad experiences. > > > If you did free up the space the procedure is straightforward and the binding in of windows is done via the grub2 boot manager. Windows will appear as a choice after the first boot of opensuse. > > > Personally I did not try the build in partition-tool for this, I found a dedicated life CD more convenient. I think it is possible to get a usb version for this too. But I never tried. > YMMV, others may advice better if they have sound experience with the partition tool of the install disk of NTFS. > > > Have fun. Complex, and risky. And from past reports your boot partition is likely to get trashed, either by linux or Windows. Guys: Its 2015. There hasn't been a valid reason to dual boot for 10 years now. I don't know of a single person who is happy with dual boot. Your machine is never in the state you want it, and booting back and forth is a pain in the ass. Every single time you upgrade either OS, you put both systems at risk. Just run Linux in a virtual machine (There are lots to choose from,take your choice, I like VmWare, lots of people like VirtualBox). Its way safer. You have access to both systems, just a mouse click away. They talk to each other like they were on the same network (cuz they are). You can install as many Virtual Machines as you have disk for, and you can run as many simultaneously as you have ram for. Once you go Virtual you will never consider dual boot ever again. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
21:49
New subject: [opensuse] double dual boot with windows
On 09/12/15 22:12, John Andersen wrote: > On 12/09/2015 12:26 PM, stakanov@freenet.de wrote: >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: buhorojo >>> Gesendet: Mi. 09.12.2015 21:14 >>> An: opensuse@opensuse.org >>> Betreff: [opensuse] double dual boot with windows >>> >>> Hi >>> We have a laptop with windows 8.1. We'd like to install leap alongside. >>> We booted from a usb but only got the option to install. Is it possible >>> to do this? >>> Thanks >>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org >>> To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht Ende----- >> Yes you can install opensuse as dual boot with windows. >> You should before: >> - create a restore disk for windows if you do not own a full licences in case things should go south on you. >> - make sure you did defragment the file system completely. This is important when you will resize the partition of windows. >> - make a full backup off your data and licences etc. Every such procedure bears an intrinsic risk. You want to make sure you minimize. >> >> >> I found myself comfortable to prepare the disk with a lifeCD of parted magic or with gparted. Make a reasoned choice on how much space you want to dedicate for linux, how much for Windows. You may wish to create a little dedicated fat32 Partition to share files between the two installs (as both will be able to read and write it, although the latter is not a prerogative, I just put it as a suggestion. >> >> >> Just to be clear, backup of personal data and of licences is paramount IMO to avoid bad experiences. >> >> >> If you did free up the space the procedure is straightforward and the binding in of windows is done via the grub2 boot manager. Windows will appear as a choice after the first boot of opensuse. >> >> >> Personally I did not try the build in partition-tool for this, I found a dedicated life CD more convenient. I think it is possible to get a usb version for this too. But I never tried. >> YMMV, others may advice better if they have sound experience with the partition tool of the install disk of NTFS. >> >> >> Have fun. > Complex, and risky. > > And from past reports your boot partition is likely to get trashed, either by linux or Windows. > > Guys: Its 2015. There hasn't been a valid reason to dual boot for 10 years now. > > I don't know of a single person who is happy with dual boot. Your machine is never > in the state you want it, and booting back and forth is a pain in the ass. Every single > time you upgrade either OS, you put both systems at risk. > > Just run Linux in a virtual machine (There are lots to choose from,take your choice, I like VmWare, > lots of people like VirtualBox). > > Its way safer. You have access to both systems, just a mouse click away. They talk to each other > like they were on the same network (cuz they are). You can install as many Virtual Machines as you > have disk for, and you can run as many simultaneously as you have ram for. > > Once you go Virtual you will never consider dual boot ever again. > > > Hi I'm sure you're right but Linux running under windows is just not workable unless you have a fast machine. e.g. on our machines, most games are not playable. Even xp is slow in oracle:( -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
22:03
New subject: [opensuse] double dual boot with windows
On 12/09/2015 01:49 PM, buhorojo wrote: > On 09/12/15 22:12, John Andersen wrote: >> On 12/09/2015 12:26 PM, stakanov@freenet.de wrote: >>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: buhorojo >>>> Gesendet: Mi. 09.12.2015 21:14 >>>> An: opensuse@opensuse.org >>>> Betreff: [opensuse] double dual boot with windows >>>> >>>> Hi >>>> We have a laptop with windows 8.1. We'd like to install leap alongside. >>>> We booted from a usb but only got the option to install. Is it possible >>>> to do this? >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> -- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org >>>> To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht Ende----- >>> Yes you can install opensuse as dual boot with windows. >>> You should before: >>> - create a restore disk for windows if you do not own a full licences in case things should go >>> south on you. >>> - make sure you did defragment the file system completely. This is important when you will resize >>> the partition of windows. >>> - make a full backup off your data and licences etc. Every such procedure bears an intrinsic >>> risk. You want to make sure you minimize. >>> >>> >>> I found myself comfortable to prepare the disk with a lifeCD of parted magic or with gparted. >>> Make a reasoned choice on how much space you want to dedicate for linux, how much for Windows. >>> You may wish to create a little dedicated fat32 Partition to share files between the two installs >>> (as both will be able to read and write it, although the latter is not a prerogative, I just put >>> it as a suggestion. >>> >>> >>> Just to be clear, backup of personal data and of licences is paramount IMO to avoid bad experiences. >>> >>> >>> If you did free up the space the procedure is straightforward and the binding in of windows is >>> done via the grub2 boot manager. Windows will appear as a choice after the first boot of opensuse. >>> >>> >>> Personally I did not try the build in partition-tool for this, I found a dedicated life CD more >>> convenient. I think it is possible to get a usb version for this too. But I never tried. >>> YMMV, others may advice better if they have sound experience with the partition tool of the >>> install disk of NTFS. >>> >>> >>> Have fun. >> Complex, and risky. >> >> And from past reports your boot partition is likely to get trashed, either by linux or Windows. >> >> Guys: Its 2015. There hasn't been a valid reason to dual boot for 10 years now. >> >> I don't know of a single person who is happy with dual boot. Your machine is never >> in the state you want it, and booting back and forth is a pain in the ass. Every single >> time you upgrade either OS, you put both systems at risk. >> >> Just run Linux in a virtual machine (There are lots to choose from,take your choice, I like VmWare, >> lots of people like VirtualBox). >> >> Its way safer. You have access to both systems, just a mouse click away. They talk to each other >> like they were on the same network (cuz they are). You can install as many Virtual Machines as you >> have disk for, and you can run as many simultaneously as you have ram for. >> >> Once you go Virtual you will never consider dual boot ever again. >> >> >> > Hi > I'm sure you're right but Linux running under windows is just not workable unless you have a fast > machine. e.g. on our machines, most games are not playable. Even xp is slow in oracle:( Not my experience. I have an old-ish (2008) quad core HP for my primary desktop, with a measly 8 gig of ram. Running windows 7 I have a even older dual core Dell laptop maxed out at 3gig Running Opensuse 13.2. In each machine I have Vmware running, and the performance is very good. With VMware, you can allocate all exclusive processor use to a maximized full screen virtual machine which will just about put the Host OS to sleep. Its really rather amazing. On the desktop I can run the Host OS, and 3 VMs at a time. These are intentionally set up as smallish test machines. I do all my development and compiling in these machines. (Day job has me developing for windows most of the time). I've also set up full sized Linux machines on the window host, for SLED, and several Ubuntus, and Slackware etc. Performance in all circumstances is very good. I don't game under Linux, but I play a bit under windows. I just suspend the guests to disk when I have heavy workload on the host. The Linux laptop is a bit wimpier, but its more than adequate to run a single VM or maybe 2 VMs at the same time for on the road development work. On modern hardware, anything you would buy today, this approach will always produce a much better working environment than dual booting. With older machines, yeah, it could be a problem, but you would be talking about 1990's machines, or very low-spec 2000's machines. Ram is cheap. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
22:20
New subject: [opensuse] double dual boot with windows
On 09/12/15 23:03, John Andersen wrote: > On 12/09/2015 01:49 PM, buhorojo wrote: >> On 09/12/15 22:12, John Andersen wrote: >>> On 12/09/2015 12:26 PM, stakanov@freenet.de wrote: >>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>>>> Von: buhorojo >>>>> Gesendet: Mi. 09.12.2015 21:14 >>>>> An: opensuse@opensuse.org >>>>> Betreff: [opensuse] double dual boot with windows >>>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> We have a laptop with windows 8.1. We'd like to install leap alongside. >>>>> We booted from a usb but only got the option to install. Is it possible >>>>> to do this? >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org >>>>> To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht Ende----- >>>> Yes you can install opensuse as dual boot with windows. >>>> You should before: >>>> - create a restore disk for windows if you do not own a full licences in case things should go >>>> south on you. >>>> - make sure you did defragment the file system completely. This is important when you will resize >>>> the partition of windows. >>>> - make a full backup off your data and licences etc. Every such procedure bears an intrinsic >>>> risk. You want to make sure you minimize. >>>> >>>> >>>> I found myself comfortable to prepare the disk with a lifeCD of parted magic or with gparted. >>>> Make a reasoned choice on how much space you want to dedicate for linux, how much for Windows. >>>> You may wish to create a little dedicated fat32 Partition to share files between the two installs >>>> (as both will be able to read and write it, although the latter is not a prerogative, I just put >>>> it as a suggestion. >>>> >>>> >>>> Just to be clear, backup of personal data and of licences is paramount IMO to avoid bad experiences. >>>> >>>> >>>> If you did free up the space the procedure is straightforward and the binding in of windows is >>>> done via the grub2 boot manager. Windows will appear as a choice after the first boot of opensuse. >>>> >>>> >>>> Personally I did not try the build in partition-tool for this, I found a dedicated life CD more >>>> convenient. I think it is possible to get a usb version for this too. But I never tried. >>>> YMMV, others may advice better if they have sound experience with the partition tool of the >>>> install disk of NTFS. >>>> >>>> >>>> Have fun. >>> Complex, and risky. >>> >>> And from past reports your boot partition is likely to get trashed, either by linux or Windows. >>> >>> Guys: Its 2015. There hasn't been a valid reason to dual boot for 10 years now. >>> >>> I don't know of a single person who is happy with dual boot. Your machine is never >>> in the state you want it, and booting back and forth is a pain in the ass. Every single >>> time you upgrade either OS, you put both systems at risk. >>> >>> Just run Linux in a virtual machine (There are lots to choose from,take your choice, I like VmWare, >>> lots of people like VirtualBox). >>> >>> Its way safer. You have access to both systems, just a mouse click away. They talk to each other >>> like they were on the same network (cuz they are). You can install as many Virtual Machines as you >>> have disk for, and you can run as many simultaneously as you have ram for. >>> >>> Once you go Virtual you will never consider dual boot ever again. >>> >>> >>> >> Hi >> I'm sure you're right but Linux running under windows is just not workable unless you have a fast >> machine. e.g. on our machines, most games are not playable. Even xp is slow in oracle:( > Not my experience. > I have an old-ish (2008) quad core HP for my primary desktop, with a measly 8 gig of ram. Running > windows 7 > I have a even older dual core Dell laptop maxed out at 3gig Running Opensuse 13.2. > > In each machine I have Vmware running, and the performance is very good. With VMware, you can > allocate all exclusive processor use to a maximized full screen virtual machine which will just > about put the Host OS to sleep. Its really rather amazing. > > On the desktop I can run the Host OS, and 3 VMs at a time. These are intentionally set up as > smallish test machines. I do all my development and compiling in these machines. (Day job has > me developing for windows most of the time). > > I've also set up full sized Linux machines on the window host, for SLED, and several Ubuntus, > and Slackware etc. > > Performance in all circumstances is very good. > > I don't game under Linux, but I play a bit under windows. I just suspend the guests to disk > when I have heavy workload on the host. > > The Linux laptop is a bit wimpier, but its more than adequate to run a single VM or maybe 2 > VMs at the same time for on the road development work. > > On modern hardware, anything you would buy today, this approach will always produce a much > better working environment than dual booting. With older machines, yeah, it could be a problem, > but you would be talking about 1990's machines, or very low-spec 2000's machines. > > Ram is cheap. > > Also, on acer, you can't install 64 bit virtual. There isn't any 32 bit Linux I don't think. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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14:40
New subject: [opensuse] double dual boot with windows
On 12/09/2015 04:03 PM, John Andersen wrote:
Not my experience. I have an old-ish (2008) quad core HP for my primary desktop, with a measly 8 gig of ram. Running windows 7 I have a even older dual core Dell laptop maxed out at 3gig Running Opensuse 13.2.
Grinning slightly "measly 8 gig of ram", recalling the Commodore 64...., my first i386 with math co-processor and 1M of ram... But seriously, If you can't devote 2G per OS (plus the GPU RAM necessary for hardware acceleration) under a virtualization, you will see slowdowns. You can squeeze OS into 512M, but you will swap/page often resulting in slowness. Graphics performance is a BIG issue -- especially for gaming performance. Anything relying on proprietary GPU drivers/hardware acceleration can be frustrating to run from a virtualized OS. Both vmware and vbox have gotten much better in this regard. Both allow tweaking installs/resources for 2D/3D hardware acceleration, but my experience has been hit and miss (not to mention the prospect of dedicating another 1-3G of RAM for the GPU) I'm not a big gamer, so others may need to chime in here. For the normal business desktop apps, 1G per virtualized OS is fine - it will be slower than native, but usable. 2G per virtualized OS and you are fine normal desktop use. 2G + RAM needed for custom 2D/3D hardware access, you should have relatively good gaming (1st person shooters may still suffer a bit) The more the merrier... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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22:05
New subject: [opensuse] double dual boot with windows
Le 09/12/2015 22:12, John Andersen a écrit :
On 12/09/2015 12:26 PM, stakanov@freenet.de wrote:
Yes you can install opensuse as dual boot with windows. You should before: - create a restore disk ...
it's always advisable to make backups, but I never trashed a windows install with openSUSE (it's not the case for every linux distro) for windows if you do not own a
full licences in case things should go south on you. - make sure you did defragment the file system completely. This is important when you will resize the partition of windows.
you can try the install from openSUSE. If the install say that there is no room left then you have to defragment. Better then you can reduce the partition size from within windows
If you did free up the space the procedure is straightforward and the binding in of windows is done via the grub2 boot manager. Windows will appear as a choice after the first boot of opensuse.
Personally I did not try the build in partition-tool for this
it works very well
Complex, and risky.
not really
And from past reports your boot partition is likely to get trashed, either by linux or Windows.
? never seen that on many installs
Guys: Its 2015. There hasn't been a valid reason to dual boot for 10 years now.
I don't know of a single person who is happy with dual boot. Your machine is never in the state you want it, and booting back and forth is a pain in the ass. Every single time you upgrade either OS, you put both systems at risk.
upgrades are a pain but didn't ever give system proiblem
Once you go Virtual you will never consider dual boot ever again.
that's plain wrong. Sharing of peripherals is not that easy jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
22:08
New subject: [opensuse] double dual boot with windows
On 12/09/2015 02:05 PM, jdd wrote:
And from past reports your boot partition is likely to get trashed, either by linux or Windows.
? never seen that on many installs
You are a careful guy. I've seen horror stories right here on this list. Grub getting clobbered by windows or vise versa. Seems like hardly a week goes by without that topic coming up. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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