I was just wondering what happened to the netiquette that Phillip was talking about? There are a few items in that that seems necessary to point out every now and then. PLEASE people: don't start a new thread by hitting reply to an old message and changing the subject! It fundamentally fscks up the mailer's threading. It makes it very difficult to search for old messages/threads. I'm left with my mailer's search function! Please! regards Anders
On Sat, 2001-12-29 at 14:34, Anders Johansson wrote:
I was just wondering what happened to the netiquette that Phillip was talking about? There are a few items in that that seems necessary to point out every now and then.
Hi Anders, Though there might be some interesting things which all of us should better have a look at than just ignore them (see your quote below, I don't really like this unclean thread behaviour either ...), I disagree about a netiquette reminder. It is the fact that Nettiquette is more important than helping which made folks like Oli and me abandon our home country list and switch to the english one. So better not bring it up on this list, please.
PLEASE people: don't start a new thread by hitting reply to an old message and changing the subject! It fundamentally fscks up the mailer's threading. It makes it very difficult to search for old messages/threads. I'm left with my mailer's search function! Please!
If someone starts a new thread with replying to an old mail and changing the subject, we should kindly explain to this person, that this disturbs the threaded view which a good email client allows you to have. Maybe this person does not even know about threaded views.
regards Anders
Cheers ... Wolfi ============================================= mailto:wolfi_z@yahoo.com P.S.: What is in such a Nettiquette is either very basic and needn't be explained to a member of the human race _once_a_week_ from the very beginning (maybe some things once in life) or is kind of brainwash which we should refrain from (IMHO) P.P.S.: Someone got the office jet v series working??? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
On Saturday 29 December 2001 15.19, wolfi wrote:
It is the fact that Nettiquette is more important than helping which made folks like Oli and me abandon our home country list and switch to the english one. So better not bring it up on this list, please.
Noone said it was more important than helping people. I don't know what happened to you guys on the german list. In the course of my trying to teach myself german I've read SL a bit, and it seems friendly enough to me, but that's not important. That is there and this is here. A few friendly pointers won't hurt anyone.
PLEASE people: don't start a new thread by hitting reply to an old message and changing the subject! It fundamentally fscks up the mailer's threading. It makes it very difficult to search for old messages/threads. I'm left with my mailer's search function! Please!
If someone starts a new thread with replying to an old mail and changing the subject, we should kindly explain to this person, that this disturbs the threaded view which a good email client allows you to have. Maybe this person does not even know about threaded views.
Sure, but look at the list over the past, say, month or so. It's just too many to give individual 'nudges'. A centrally posted "good manners" web page, or a mail sent out when you register with a subject like READ ME!!! IMPORTANT!!!!! would perhaps be noticed (yes, I believe in santa claus :)
P.S.: What is in such a Nettiquette is either very basic and needn't be explained to a member of the human race _once_a_week_ from the very beginning (maybe some things once in life) or is kind of brainwash which we should refrain from (IMHO)
No brainwashing here. I just want my mail threads nicely organized. replying by creating a new mail is also annoying, btw. It will create a new "root" and it just looks ugly! regards Anders
On Sat, 2001-12-29 at 15:47, Anders Johansson wrote:
(...) Sure, but look at the list over the past, say, month or so. It's just too many to give individual 'nudges'. A centrally posted "good manners" web page, or a mail sent out when you register with a subject like (...)
Well, we should have a short thing about this on the unofficial FAQ and that should be enough. Just one simple Question: How should I set up my post to this list, in order to get some attention and good answers. I'll write this yet today and send it to the list, so Togan can have a look at it and that should do the trick. Is that acceptable for everybody?
No brainwashing here. I just want my mail threads nicely organized.
Yes, me too. But note that this is thin ice. If something is just bullsh.. full of typos or five lines in one sentence with neither period nor comma, or three pages of five-level-old-quotes-mixture, I just delete it and do not make it a big issue how to avoid things like this.
replying by creating a new mail is also annoying, btw. It will create a new "root" and it just looks ugly!
Yes, of course. But don't forget that sometimes it doesn't work the other way. When I'm in office, I have to connect to mail.yahoo.com to write a message online, and I can only copy-paste the old mail into this new one, because the original mail was transferred from wolfi_z@yahoo.com to wolfgang.zerrmayr@at.siemens.de and is no longer present on the yahoo server.
regards Anders
Regards .... Wolfi ============================================= mailto:wolfi_z@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Just a suggestion, but could the a new subject address be added to the end of the mail, as is the unsubscribe address. On 29 Dec 2001 15:19:23 +0100, wolfi wrote:
If someone starts a new thread with replying to an old mail and changing the subject, we should kindly explain to this person, that this disturbs the threaded view which a good email client allows you to have. Maybe this person does not even know about threaded views.
Regards, David
Hi all, David wrote:
Just a suggestion, but could the a new subject address be added to the end of the mail, as is the unsubscribe address.
I think this is a very good idea. Or, even to add two links: one for "new subject" and another for "reply to list only"... Once (at least) in the past there was a very long thread here about this "reply to" issue. I remember that the conclusion was that the headers of this are correct this way (i.e. in accordance with some well known tech. spec. or something like that). The solution with the links at the bottom of mail doesn't spoil the headers... Regards, R.Soskic
* Radule Soskic (rms@telekom.yu) [011230 01:13]:
David wrote:
Just a suggestion, but could the a new subject address be added to the end of the mail, as is the unsubscribe address.
I think this is a very good idea. Or, even to add two links: one for "new subject" and another for "reply to list only"...
Come on people, is really that hard to send an email to suse-linux-e@suse.com to post a message? The footer is cluttered enough already. -- -ckm
David
Just a suggestion, but could the a new subject address be added to the end of the mail, as is the unsubscribe address.
This list includes the RFC2369 "list" headers (as below) in messages. So it should not be necessary to repeat this in the signature.
list-help: mailto:suse-linux-e-help@suse.com list-unsubscribe: mailto:suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com list-post: mailto:suse-linux-e@suse.com
Using these headers has the advantage that compliant mailer software can automatically determine the commands required to subscribe, unsubscribe and post. So maybe those people who have problems should be encouraged to contact their mailer support and request that support for RFC2369 be added.
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