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David C. Rankin

24 Dec 2008 24 Dec '08

06:32

Listmates, 11.1 w/KDE3 and k3b will not run for non-root. I have added the user to cdrom group, still no joy. Works fine in 11.0, but not 11.1. I recall a work-around that circulated about this a few months ago, but I didn't write it down. Any one have it handy? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Joop Beris

24 Dec 24 Dec

07:19

On Wednesday 24 December 2008 07:32:11 David C. Rankin wrote:

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11.1 w/KDE3 and k3b will not run for non-root. I have added the user to cdrom group, still no joy. Works fine in 11.0, but not 11.1. I recall a work-around that circulated about this a few months ago, but I didn't write it down. Any one have it handy?

Hi David, I found out the same thing yesterday. K3B didn't see my DVD-writer as a regular user. However, for me it was fixed after starting K3B as root, then closing it again. As root, it did see my DVD-writer. When I started it again under my own account, everything was okay. I don't get it, but hey....it works. :-) HTH, Joop ------------------------------------------------------------ Dit bericht is gescand op virussen en andere gevaarlijke inhoud door MailScanner en lijkt schoon te zijn. Mailscanner door http://www.prosolit.nl Professional Solutions fot IT -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

medwinz

07:34

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Joop Beris wrote:

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I found out the same thing yesterday. K3B didn't see my DVD-writer as a regular user. However, for me it was fixed after starting K3B as root, then closing it again. As root, it did see my DVD-writer. When I started it again under my own account, everything was okay. I don't get it, but hey....it works. :-)

Same here Joop :-) A lot of problem heh, sound, DVD etc, but I'm a fanatic fans of this distribution ;-P I saw someone also complaint about yast-partition, but my opinion partition is improving. I think partition team already announce the new yast-partition even before 11.1 going to beta. And we should contribute to the test at that period. Anyway usability test is something openSUSE should give attention for the next release. regards, medwinz -- Alfred Hitchcock - "The length of a film should be directly related to the endurance of the human bladder." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Peter Hoyer

07:42

Am Mittwoch, 24. Dezember 2008 08:34:25 schrieb medwinz:

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On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Joop Beris wrote:

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I found out the same thing yesterday. K3B didn't see my DVD-writer as a regular user. However, for me it was fixed after starting K3B as root, then closing it again. As root, it did see my DVD-writer. When I started it again under my own account, everything was okay. I don't get it, but hey....it works. :-)

If it it not the case try to add user to user group cdrom yast->user->user->configure->details Kind regards Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Joop Beris

07:57

On Wednesday 24 December 2008 08:34:25 medwinz wrote:

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Same here Joop :-) A lot of problem heh, sound, DVD etc, but I'm a fanatic fans of this distribution ;-P

I wouldn't call myself a fanatic, but I have tried RedHat/Fedora, Ubuntu, Kubuntu (but couldn't get used to their way of handling su/sudo), Slackware, Mandriva, Debian but I find I keep coming back to (open)SUSE. It's become my distribution of choice and since the release of 10.3, I haven't looked at anything else (except Ubuntu). OpenSUSE 10.x was a good release imo, except the poor/slow package management. 11 so far is a lot better in that aspect, but brings new problems with it. Like the "no sound" issue we are having.

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I saw someone also complaint about yast-partition, but my opinion partition is improving. I think partition team already announce the new yast-partition even before 11.1 going to beta. And we should contribute to the test at that period. Anyway usability test is something openSUSE should give attention for the next release.

I've had no complaints about the partitioner, but so far I haven't tried it on anything more "exotic" than SATA driver, no RAID or anything. Joop ------------------------------------------------------------ Dit bericht is gescand op virussen en andere gevaarlijke inhoud door MailScanner en lijkt schoon te zijn. Mailscanner door http://www.prosolit.nl Professional Solutions fot IT -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott

13:35

medwinz wrote:

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On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Joop Beris wrote:

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I found out the same thing yesterday. K3B didn't see my DVD-writer as a regular user. However, for me it was fixed after starting K3B as root, then closing it again. As root, it did see my DVD-writer. When I started it again under my own account, everything was okay. I don't get it, but hey....it works. :-)

Same here Joop :-) A lot of problem heh, sound, DVD etc, but I'm a fanatic fans of this distribution ;-P

I saw someone also complaint about yast-partition, but my opinion partition is improving.

Try creating a LVM on top of a RAID array. This worked fine in 11.0, but I've not been able to in 11.1 -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rob OpenSuSE

13:55

2008/12/24 James Knott :

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medwinz wrote:

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On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Joop Beris wrote:

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I saw someone also complaint about yast-partition, but my opinion partition is improving.

Try creating a LVM on top of a RAID array. This worked fine in 11.0, but I've not been able to in 11.1

When I tried to initially create a RAID 1 device, it demanded to have 2 disks, rather than let me, add one later when I was ready to silver. So I gave up at that point. Presumably there's nothing in the underlying tools that stops you from creating, incomplete, initial setups, to be completed later when hardware resources become available? OS install time, is exactly when disks are not available, as you keep an online backup of your previous data, by un-mirroring, with fall back plan to re-silver the old stuff, if the new install doesn't work out. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Jos van Kan

11:04

David C. Rankin schreef:

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Listmates,

11.1 w/KDE3 and k3b will not run for non-root. I have added the user to cdrom group, still no joy. Works fine in 11.0, but not 11.1. I recall a work-around that circulated about this a few months ago, but I didn't write it down. Any one have it handy?

Is wodim suid root? I remember I had to make it so by hand long time gone. (10.2 or so) Since k3b is basically a GUI wrapper for wodim, it has to be suid root to work for non root users. (Obligatory caveats omitted). Regards, -- Jos van Kan registered Linux user #152704 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Dave Plater

11:12

Jos van Kan wrote:

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David C. Rankin schreef:

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Listmates,

11.1 w/KDE3 and k3b will not run for non-root. I have added the user to cdrom group, still no joy. Works fine in 11.0, but not 11.1. I recall a work-around that circulated about this a few months ago, but I didn't write it down. Any one have it handy?

Is wodim suid root? I remember I had to make it so by hand long time gone. (10.2 or so) Since k3b is basically a GUI wrapper for wodim, it has to be suid root to work for non root users. (Obligatory caveats omitted).

Regards,

Try bugs https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 and https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=460791 . If you haven't got user write permissions, I had that problem way back due to /dev/sr0 line in fstab not having user and users in it, I can't remember which. Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott

15:20

Dave Plater wrote:

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Jos van Kan wrote:

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David C. Rankin schreef:

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Listmates,

11.1 w/KDE3 and k3b will not run for non-root. I have added the user to cdrom group, still no joy. Works fine in 11.0, but not 11.1. I recall a work-around that circulated about this a few months ago, but I didn't write it down. Any one have it handy?

Is wodim suid root? I remember I had to make it so by hand long time gone. (10.2 or so) Since k3b is basically a GUI wrapper for wodim, it has to be suid root to work for non root users. (Obligatory caveats omitted).

Regards,

Try bugs https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=408252 and https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=460791 . If you haven't got user write permissions, I had that problem way back due to /dev/sr0 line in fstab not having user and users in it, I can't remember which.

The difference between user and users is that with users anyone can unmount a drive mounted by another user. With user only the one who mounted a drive can unmount it. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Florian Gleixner

11:17

David C. Rankin wrote:

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Listmates,

11.1 w/KDE3 and k3b will not run for non-root. I have added the user to cdrom group, still no joy. Works fine in 11.0, but not 11.1. I recall a work-around that circulated about this a few months ago, but I didn't write it down. Any one have it handy?

This was my problem once: http://redflo.de/tiki-index.php?page=Suse+11.0+Tips -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

medwinz

12:26

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Florian Gleixner wrote:

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David C. Rankin wrote:

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Listmates,

11.1 w/KDE3 and k3b will not run for non-root. I have added the user to cdrom group, still no joy. Works fine in 11.0, but not 11.1. I recall a work-around that circulated about this a few months ago, but I didn't write it down. Any one have it handy?

Actually my workaround is based on wodim readme to set wodim as suid-root application. Default installation of /usr/bin/wodim is owned by root.root and permission is 755. I make a group dvdburners, and put my non-root user account as a member of this group. Then : chown root:dvdburners /usr/bin/wodim chmod 4710 /usr/bin/wodim reboot After reboot non root users can use the DVD with k3b Hope this help. regards, medwinz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

kanenas＠hawaii.rr.com

14:08

On Wednesday 24 December 2008 01:17:15 am Florian Gleixner wrote:

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David C. Rankin wrote:

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Listmates,

11.1 w/KDE3 and k3b will not run for non-root. I have added the user to cdrom group, still no joy. Works fine in 11.0, but not 11.1. I recall a work-around that circulated about this a few months ago, but I didn't write it down. Any one have it handy?

This was my problem once: http://redflo.de/tiki-index.php?page=Suse+11.0+Tips

my system misses the "+" sign discussed on that page, k3b can not even see the drive(external, mounted on usb), but nerolinux has absolutely no problem with it. k3b used to like too, a looong time ago. has anyone tried the "old" cdrkit, before the wodim "fork"? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Florian Gleixner

14:45

kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:

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On Wednesday 24 December 2008 01:17:15 am Florian Gleixner wrote:

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David C. Rankin wrote:

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Listmates,

11.1 w/KDE3 and k3b will not run for non-root. I have added the user to cdrom group, still no joy. Works fine in 11.0, but not 11.1. I recall a work-around that circulated about this a few months ago, but I didn't write it down. Any one have it handy? This was my problem once: http://redflo.de/tiki-index.php?page=Suse+11.0+Tips

my system misses the "+" sign discussed on that page, k3b can not even see the drive(external, mounted on usb), but nerolinux has absolutely no problem with it. k3b used to like too, a looong time ago. has anyone tried the "old" cdrkit, before the wodim "fork"?

resmgr schould change the permissions of the cd/dvd writer device so that you can write on it. resmgr does this if you login on your graphical environment (kde, gnome, ...). resmgr sets acls on that device (see "man setfacl" and "man getfacl"). resmgr fails, if your group has no name. This often happens if you use ldap or simply if you upgrade or move user accounts from one machine to another. Check this: type "id -ng". If you see a number, you have to fix that. If you see a name, then you may have hit another bug. Do a "su" and then type: "resmgr dump" to see if resmgr gave you some permissions. It should dump something like this: ... grant "yourusername" cdrom ... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

15:08

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resmgr schould change the permissions of the cd/dvd writer device so

11.1 has no resmgr, it's been removed. Now it is done via ConsoleKit/PolicyKit/hal, but I don't know exactly how. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklSUFsACgkQtTMYHG2NR9Uo7wCeO5yFz1DgJZkwpeOftKYUIZWS zB0An1lE5Y3+o8NPF50BVADMiyoxMHgv =TuST -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Marcus Meissner

16:20

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 04:08:02PM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Wednesday, 2008-12-24 at 15:45 +0100, Florian Gleixner wrote:

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resmgr schould change the permissions of the cd/dvd writer device so

11.1 has no resmgr, it's been removed.

Now it is done via ConsoleKit/PolicyKit/hal, but I don't know exactly how.

Mostly the same way, ACLs are handed out for the devices that need it. (HAL has also switched to a ACL based method, like we already did with resmgr). Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

18:15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2008-12-24 at 17:20 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote:

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On Wednesday, 2008-12-24 at 15:45 +0100, Florian Gleixner wrote:

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resmgr schould change the permissions of the cd/dvd writer device so

11.1 has no resmgr, it's been removed.

Now it is done via ConsoleKit/PolicyKit/hal, but I don't know exactly how.

Mostly the same way, ACLs are handed out for the devices that need it. (HAL has also switched to a ACL based method, like we already did with resmgr).

The problem is, we don't know how this thing is supposed to work and what should we do to use k3b as user. Is this new scheme documented somewhere? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklSfDgACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XG/wCfV1HCDp811cQqgu0gqegP1Sl6 C5IAn0t2FBLaYOPb9VT7Q38ZAth7mXQc =d3yp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rob OpenSuSE

18:28

2008/12/24 Carlos E. R. :

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On Wednesday, 2008-12-24 at 17:20 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote:

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On Wednesday, 2008-12-24 at 15:45 +0100, Florian Gleixner wrote:

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resmgr schould change the permissions of the cd/dvd writer device so

11.1 has no resmgr, it's been removed.

Now it is done via ConsoleKit/PolicyKit/hal, but I don't know exactly how.

Mostly the same way, ACLs are handed out for the devices that need it. (HAL has also switched to a ACL based method, like we already did with resmgr).

The problem is, we don't know how this thing is supposed to work and what should we do to use k3b as user. Is this new scheme documented somewhere?

Uh oh!!! So my "package kit configuration problem" that won't let me get online updates in 11.1 x86 64bit, might be trickier to solve than I hoped. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

kanenas＠hawaii.rr.com

20:42

On Wednesday 24 December 2008 06:20:15 am Marcus Meissner wrote:

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On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 04:08:02PM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Wednesday, 2008-12-24 at 15:45 +0100, Florian Gleixner wrote:

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resmgr schould change the permissions of the cd/dvd writer device so

11.1 has no resmgr, it's been removed.

Now it is done via ConsoleKit/PolicyKit/hal, but I don't know exactly how.

Mostly the same way, ACLs are handed out for the devices that need it. (HAL has also switched to a ACL based method, like we already did with resmgr).

Ciao, Marcus

This means that there is definitely a problem with: 1. what hal considers worthy of gaining device permissions. 2. what k3b tells hal it needs. 3. what hal reads as a proper device. 4. what hal does after a proper permission request is issued. 5. what k3b does after it receives a proper permission. since nerolinux can do the job just fine, it is more probable that the problem(s) lie with wodim, the engine behind k3b. A further indication of that is the fact that after k3b is started, any further access to the dvd is dissallowed until an "rchal restart" is invoked. if that's the case, does this rehash the battles between "old" cdrecord /cdrkit and wodim? this bug has been around for a while... also..... Since hal and k3b are packaged together in suse releases, it also becomes a suse problem. I will try Florian's resmanager suggestions on my workhorse 10.3 install. I will also try whatever is suggested on the 11.0 install before the upgrade it to 11.1. If these fail I will try the "original" cdrecord from Joerg Schilling, and, if that works, then I will switch to the Schilling camp re dvd burning. if none of the above works, i will try nerolinux again. d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Russ Fineman

22:10

On Tuesday 23 December 2008 10:32:11 pm David C. Rankin wrote:

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Listmates,

11.1 w/KDE3 and k3b will not run for non-root. I have added the user to cdrom group, still no joy. Works fine in 11.0, but not 11.1. I recall a work-around that circulated about this a few months ago, but I didn't write it down. Any one have it handy?

-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com David did you add the user to Disk, that's what I had to do on 11.0 and 10.3. I will be install 11.1 this weekend. I did try the live Cd and it worked but I did not try k3b. -- Russ Registered Linux User #441463 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Carlos E. R.
Dave Plater
David C. Rankin
Florian Gleixner
James Knott
Joop Beris
Jos van Kan
kanenas＠hawaii.rr.com
Marcus Meissner
medwinz
Peter Hoyer
Rob OpenSuSE
Russ Fineman