Re: [suse-kde] Novell will not use kde for enterprise....
On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:58:29 -0700, you wrote:
On Sunday 03 October 2004 11:26 am, Fred Miller wrote:
On Sunday October 3 2004 6:35 am, Thomas Müller SL- wrote:
YOU may think it's Gnome in the US, but I've money that says otherwise.
I'm a KDE fan. Period:-) But I feel like the Lone Stranger here. SuSE offers
You aren't alone. I've disliked gnome from the first time I tried to use it. It just doesn't fit me. I dunno why, but give me kde or give me death. Mike- -- If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs... You may have a great career as a network administrator ahead! -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments,
On Sunday 03 October 2004 22:06, Michael W Cocke wrote:
You aren't alone. I've disliked gnome from the first time I tried to use it. It just doesn't fit me. I dunno why, but give me kde or give me death.
From a user perspective, I find them both acceptable - I like some things about each. But I develop software for both DEs, and there's no comparison - developing with GNOME is primitive - like going back to bloated, kludgy mid 80's Motif APIs. KDE is so much more advanced. I switched from RedHat to SuSE because they emphasized KDE over GNOME, and if SuSE starts to copy RedHat, I'll switch to something else. That's the beauty of Linux.
David Robertson wrote:
On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:58:29 -0700, you wrote:
I dunno why, but give me kde or give me death.
I'm sure you don't really mean that.........
Perhaps he meant "Give me KDE or give me Windows". ;-)
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 07:56:26 +0300 (AST), you wrote:
On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:58:29 -0700, you wrote:
I dunno why, but give me kde or give me death.
I'm sure you don't really mean that.........
David
The only other alternative would be make me use windows, so yeah, I think I do mean it. Mike- -- If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs... You may have a great career as a network administrator ahead! -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments,
Michael W Cocke wrote:
On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:58:29 -0700, you wrote:
On Sunday 03 October 2004 11:26 am, Fred Miller wrote:
On Sunday October 3 2004 6:35 am, Thomas Müller SL- wrote:
YOU may think it's Gnome in the US, but I've money that says otherwise.
I'm a KDE fan. Period:-) But I feel like the Lone Stranger here. SuSE offers
You aren't alone.
He's still strange though. ;-)
I've disliked gnome from the first time I tried to use it. It just doesn't fit me. I dunno why, but give me kde or give me death.
I don't care for Gnome either.
On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 15:11, James Knott wrote:
Michael W Cocke wrote:
On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:58:29 -0700, you wrote:
On Sunday 03 October 2004 11:26 am, Fred Miller wrote:
On Sunday October 3 2004 6:35 am, Thomas Müller SL- wrote:
YOU may think it's Gnome in the US, but I've money that says otherwise.
I'm a KDE fan. Period:-) But I feel like the Lone Stranger here. SuSE offers
You aren't alone.
He's still strange though. ;-)
I've disliked gnome from the first time I tried to use it. It just doesn't fit me. I dunno why, but give me kde or give me death.
I don't care for Gnome either.
I third that.... Maybe KDE fans are just not as loud? Jerry
You aren't alone.
He's still strange though. ;-)
I've disliked gnome from the first time I tried to use it. It just doesn't fit me. I dunno why, but give me kde or give me death.
I don't care for Gnome either.
I third that....
Maybe KDE fans are just not as loud?
Jerry
Ditto... Gnome makes things feel too "mac-like," and, being an avid Macintosh-hater (ok, I've seen one Mac running Yellowdog Linux which wasn't too bad :) I don't care for gnome. Seems too limited. Things you expect to find when right-clicking (from using KDE and Windows) are sometimes missing, etc.
I've disliked gnome from the first time I tried to use it. It just doesn't fit me. I dunno why, but give me kde or give me death.
I don't care for Gnome either.
I third that....
Maybe KDE fans are just not as loud?
My first linux was RH 6.2 with the default gnome desktop. My first impression was: "This is pretty cool lookin, but I can't do anything with it." It seemed like a college project or a "proof of concept" desktop. Lots to look at but not much substance underneath. KDE was more "business like" and practical. The 2 desktops have become more similar and complete over the years and I actually like the gnome desktop now. I just like KDE better... Jeff
On Monday 04 October 2004 6:30 am, Jerome R. Westrick wrote:
On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 15:11, James Knott wrote:
Michael W Cocke wrote:
I've disliked gnome from the first time I tried to use it. It just doesn't fit me. I dunno why, but give me kde or give me death.
I don't care for Gnome either.
I third that....
Maybe KDE fans are just not as loud?
It's that my local LUG was Red Hat-Gnome to the core. They also still like using the command line. Now Red Hat is out of favor and they don't like Novell owning SuSE. They want Linux to beat out Windows, but they don't want the changes that are making it competitive, and usable by the average person. Rich
Jerry
-- Rich Matson Reno, Nv. USA
On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 14:18, C. Richard Matson wrote:
On Monday 04 October 2004 6:30 am, Jerome R. Westrick wrote:
On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 15:11, James Knott wrote:
Michael W Cocke wrote:
I've disliked gnome from the first time I tried to use it. It just doesn't fit me. I dunno why, but give me kde or give me death.
I don't care for Gnome either.
I third that....
Maybe KDE fans are just not as loud?
It's that my local LUG was Red Hat-Gnome to the core. They also still like using the command line. Now Red Hat is out of favor and they don't like Novell owning SuSE. They want Linux to beat out Windows, but they don't want the changes that are making it competitive, and usable by the average person. Rich
Fortunately they are in a position to use what they do like and avoid what they don't like. I think this is one of Linux's strength, the underpinnings (i.e. kernel and tools) are there to be used how you want, cli or gui of choice.
On Monday 04 October 2004 10:08 pm, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 14:18, C. Richard Matson wrote:
It's that my local LUG was Red Hat-Gnome to the core. They also still like using the command line. Now Red Hat is out of favor and they don't like Novell owning SuSE. They want Linux to beat out Windows, but they don't want the changes that are making it competitive, and usable by the average person. Rich
Fortunately they are in a position to use what they do like and avoid what they don't like. I think this is one of Linux's strength, the underpinnings (i.e. kernel and tools) are there to be used how you want, cli or gui of choice.
You are right about the choice. Earlier in this thread I commented that SuSE ships with several other GUI's (14 if I counted right) in addition to KDE and Gnome. I also referred to myself as being the Lone Stranger. And I was just elaborating on that in my above remarks. For most people computers (and their OS's) are a means to an end, not an end in itself. For them the Linux is the equivalent of MSDOS. I think KDE serves that purpose better that any of them. Rich -- Rich Matson Reno, Nv. USA
I think we can put all the speculations to end. At KDE DOT,
http://dot.kde.org/1097096753/
there is an interview with Chris Schlaeger of SuSE. He is Vice
President of Research and Development SUSE Linux at Novell. Here is
the question and the answer about this exact same topic.
Question:
Not long ago Novell acquired two companies that deal with Linux:
Ximian and SUSE. While Ximian is a derivative from the GNOME project,
SUSE is well known for its support of KDE. How does this all come
together?
Answer:
"Better than most people seem to believe. Novell is committed to
supporting both GNOME and KDE desktop environments in its Linux
desktop. We are fortunate to have acquired a robust set of desktop
technologies through our acquisitions of Ximian and SUSE LINUX, giving
our customers a considerable amount of choice.
We are working on our next generation Enterprise Desktop currently
called Novell Linux Desktop which will feature a KDE desktop as well
as a GNOME desktop. In the enterprise market the situation is still
very open regarding which desktop will have the greater following. For
a Linux provider like Novell it is a great opportunity to offer both
desktops to our customers and see where the market is going."
Osho
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:35:39 -0700, C. Richard Matson
On Monday 04 October 2004 10:08 pm, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 14:18, C. Richard Matson wrote:
It's that my local LUG was Red Hat-Gnome to the core. They also still like using the command line. Now Red Hat is out of favor and they don't like Novell owning SuSE. They want Linux to beat out Windows, but they don't want the changes that are making it competitive, and usable by the average person. Rich
Fortunately they are in a position to use what they do like and avoid what they don't like. I think this is one of Linux's strength, the underpinnings (i.e. kernel and tools) are there to be used how you want, cli or gui of choice.
You are right about the choice. Earlier in this thread I commented that SuSE ships with several other GUI's (14 if I counted right) in addition to KDE and Gnome. I also referred to myself as being the Lone Stranger. And I was just elaborating on that in my above remarks. For most people computers (and their OS's) are a means to an end, not an end in itself. For them the Linux is the equivalent of MSDOS. I think KDE serves that purpose better that any of them. Rich
-- Rich Matson Reno, Nv. USA
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Jerome wrote regarding 'Re: [SLE] Re: [suse-kde] Novell will not use kde for enterprise....' on Mon, Oct 04 at 08:31:
On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 15:11, James Knott wrote:
Michael W Cocke wrote:
On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:58:29 -0700, you wrote:
On Sunday 03 October 2004 11:26 am, Fred Miller wrote:
On Sunday October 3 2004 6:35 am, Thomas Müller SL- wrote:
[...]
I'm a KDE fan. Period:-) You aren't alone. [...] I've disliked gnome from the first time I tried to use it. It just doesn't fit me. I dunno why, but give me kde or give me death. I don't care for Gnome either. I third that....
Maybe KDE fans are just not as loud?
Or maybe people tend to be more vocal about what they dislike rather than what they like? Oh, and for the record, I don't like KDE. I switched *away* from windows and continue to stay with something *other* than windows for several reasons. The poorly designed UI was/is one of those reasons. KDE's better, but it's just a better copy (in _some_ ways) rather than a better idea. IMHO. Notice that I only described what I dislike. Pretty common, eh? :) Even in the US presidential race (or US poltics in general), all I've seen recently are reasons to vote *against* "the other guy". No one seems to be telling me why I'd vote *for* anyone. Just in case another, non-computer - but similarly emotional - example is needed. --Danny, who prefers NeXTStep and BeOS, in general
On Monday 04 October 2004 6:11 am, James Knott wrote:
I'm a KDE fan. Period:-) But I feel like the Lone Stranger here. SuSE offers
You aren't alone.
He's still strange though. ;-)
And you don't realize how strange I am:-{ Rich -- Rich Matson Reno, Nv. USA
Gnome has its uses. Evolution was a little too slow to run in KDE 9.1 on this PII so I run it now natively in GNOME. But for file processing etc KDE is the hands down winner. -- _______ _______ _______ __ / ____\ \ / / ____|_ _\ \ / / | | \ \ /\ / / (___ | | \ \ / / | | \ \/ \/ / \___ \ | | \ \/ / | |____ \ /\ / ____) |_| |_ \ / \_____| \/ \/ |_____/|_____| \/
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