I've found that the motherboard in one of our computers has leaky capacitors and needs to be replaced. I has a Socket A AMD Athlon XP 2000+ processor. First, does anyone have a recommendation for the most Linux compatible board or chipset? Second, I am running SuSE 9.2. What should I do, if anything, to prepare the OS for the replacement? What about after the replacement? The last time I tried this, I was running Windoze and it basically trashed the installation. So I'm a little leary of doing it this time. Any help is greatly appreciated. -- Bill Lugg Milstar Software Support Peterson AFB, CO
At 09:46 PM 3/9/2005, William H Lugg wrote:
Second, I am running SuSE 9.2. What should I do, if anything, to prepare the OS for the replacement? What about after the replacement? The last time I tried this, I was running Windoze and it basically trashed the installation. So I'm a little leary of doing it this time.
I have done just this several times here an at work with no problems. Linux just took off an found new hard an ran with no problems at all. I do not see why it wouldn't be that way for you. I have seen others here on list say the same thing. Linux is so much better then windows with doing this. just my 2 cents. jack
From: "William H Lugg"
I've found that the motherboard in one of our computers has leaky capacitors and needs to be replaced. I has a Socket A AMD Athlon XP 2000+ processor. First, does anyone have a recommendation for the most Linux compatible board or chipset?
VIA chipsets have been rock solid for me. MSI, GigaByte, Abit.....
Second, I am running SuSE 9.2. What should I do, if anything, to prepare the OS for the replacement? What about after the replacement? The last time I tried this, I was running Windoze and it basically trashed the installation. So I'm a little leary of doing it this time.
Linux is much better at recognizing and reconfiguring that windows. Suse is one of the best. If it were me, I'd simply shutdown, replace the MB and restart. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. RANKIN LAW FIRM, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax www.rankinlawfirm.com --
On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 22:01:01 -0600, david rankin
VIA chipsets have been rock solid for me.
The KT133 (which I unfortunately have) has known bus latency problems which cause data corruption and system lockups, as I have experienced firsthand. I found a "patch" for the chipset: http://www.georgebreese.com/net/software/readmes/vlatency_v020b21_readme.HTM which solves both problems, data corruption and lockups. Too bad the chipset patch is only for Windows. With the patch and Windows NT, my box runs great. Without the patch, it's like Russian Roulette. -- A: Maybe because some people are too annoyed by top-posting. Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)? A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Well, as everyone has said, The mobo replacement went off without a hitch. SuSE 9.2 started up, recognized the new hardware, set it up and we were good to go. The only problems I had were my fault. I forgot to disable the on-board sound and to delete the old network card (the new mobo includes on-board LAN). I haven't booted into Windoze yet. Frankly, I haven't mustered the courage yet. ;o) Thanks for the help. -- Bill Lugg Milstar Software Support Peterson AFB, CO On Wednesday 09 March 2005 9:01 pm, david rankin wrote:
From: "William H Lugg"
I've found that the motherboard in one of our computers has leaky capacitors and needs to be replaced. I has a Socket A AMD Athlon XP 2000+ processor. First, does anyone have a recommendation for the most Linux compatible board or chipset?
VIA chipsets have been rock solid for me. MSI, GigaByte, Abit.....
Second, I am running SuSE 9.2. What should I do, if anything, to prepare the OS for the replacement? What about after the replacement? The last time I tried this, I was running Windoze and it basically trashed the installation. So I'm a little leary of doing it this time.
Linux is much better at recognizing and reconfiguring that windows. Suse is one of the best. If it were me, I'd simply shutdown, replace the MB and restart.
-- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. RANKIN LAW FIRM, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax www.rankinlawfirm.com --
On Sunday 20 Mar 2005 22:50 pm, William H Lugg wrote:
I haven't booted into Windoze yet. Frankly, I haven't mustered the courage yet. ;o)
Heh. I find it generally copes quite well with changes of motherboard, sometimes needing as few as fifteen reboots to get the job done. M -- "It's the small gaps between the rain that count, and learning how to live amongst them." -- Jeff Noon
Quoting William H Lugg
I've found that the motherboard in one of our computers has leaky capacitors and needs to be replaced. I has a Socket A AMD Athlon XP 2000+ processor. First, does anyone have a recommendation for the most Linux compatible board or chipset?
Second, I am running SuSE 9.2. What should I do, if anything, to prepare the OS for the replacement? What about after the replacement? The last time I tried this, I was running Windoze and it basically trashed the installation. So I'm a little leary of doing it this time.
I just replaced an MSI motherboard with a Abit NF7 (Athlon XP 1800+). I worried a bit because there are several differences in the support chips. Not a problem, SuSE 9.2 booted up fine and ran without requiring any intervention. I have gotten around to trying the Windows partition yet. Jeffrey
William, On Wednesday 09 March 2005 19:46, William H Lugg wrote:
I've found that the motherboard in one of our computers has leaky capacitors and needs to be replaced. I has a Socket A AMD Athlon XP 2000+ processor. First, does anyone have a recommendation for the most Linux compatible board or chipset?
Second, I am running SuSE 9.2. What should I do, if anything, to prepare the OS for the replacement? What about after the replacement? The last time I tried this, I was running Windoze and it basically trashed the installation. So I'm a little leary of doing it this time.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
As others have stated, it's likely your SuSE installation will take the hardware change in stride. The one exception I'm aware of is for those who've compiled their own kernel using a custom configuration that does not include the code for the full breadth of hardware. SuSE configures their kernels for maximum universality, which is part of why switching hardware out from under a running installation tends to work so well. People who are into customizing and optimizing will sometimes remove support for hardware they don't have. In those cases, changing hardware may render the kernel you were using unusable. If you're running stock SuSE kernels, then you'll probably be fine.
-- Bill Lugg
Randall Schulz
The only thing I fiddled with in this kernel was that I had to build the NVidia kernel modules. That's not what you're referring to is it? Thanks for all the comments. -- Bill Lugg Milstar Software Support Peterson AFB, CO On Wednesday 09 March 2005 21:58, Randall R Schulz wrote:
William,
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 19:46, William H Lugg wrote:
I've found that the motherboard in one of our computers has leaky capacitors and needs to be replaced. I has a Socket A AMD Athlon XP 2000+ processor. First, does anyone have a recommendation for the most Linux compatible board or chipset?
Second, I am running SuSE 9.2. What should I do, if anything, to prepare the OS for the replacement? What about after the replacement? The last time I tried this, I was running Windoze and it basically trashed the installation. So I'm a little leary of doing it this time.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
As others have stated, it's likely your SuSE installation will take the hardware change in stride.
The one exception I'm aware of is for those who've compiled their own kernel using a custom configuration that does not include the code for the full breadth of hardware. SuSE configures their kernels for maximum universality, which is part of why switching hardware out from under a running installation tends to work so well. People who are into customizing and optimizing will sometimes remove support for hardware they don't have. In those cases, changing hardware may render the kernel you were using unusable.
If you're running stock SuSE kernels, then you'll probably be fine.
-- Bill Lugg
Randall Schulz
Bill, On Wednesday 09 March 2005 21:05, William H Lugg wrote:
The only thing I fiddled with in this kernel was that I had to build the NVidia kernel modules. That's not what you're referring to is it?
I've never owned an nVidia card, so I'm not directly familiar with the issues, but it does come up here pretty frequently, so the archives should be helpful. But no, I'm referring to custom-configured and -built kernels. The nVidia business is, as far as I can tell, just a driver issue.
Thanks for all the comments. -- Bill Lugg
Randall Schulz
Randall R Schulz wrote:
Bill,
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 21:05, William H Lugg wrote:
The only thing I fiddled with in this kernel was that I had to build the NVidia kernel modules. That's not what you're referring to is it?
I've never owned an nVidia card, so I'm not directly familiar with the issues, but it does come up here pretty frequently, so the archives should be helpful.
But no, I'm referring to custom-configured and -built kernels. The nVidia business is, as far as I can tell, just a driver issue.
Thanks for all the comments. -- Bill Lugg
Randall Schulz
It depends on the kernel version, from 2.6.11-rc?, patches to the nvidia video driver are required and can be got from the nvidia Linux forum on www.nvidia.com, they are bundled in NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-6629-02.28.2005.diff.txt and applied after running "./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run --extract-only". The nvidia site has all the good information on how to install http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-6629.html, but of course you can seek help here if you run into problems, usually it's quite straightforward. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Large Computer Systems Specialist - Retired Hamradio Callsign G3VBV and Keen Private Pilot Aeroplanes, Linux, Computers and Cricket my major passions ===== LINUX USED HERE, A Microsoft-free Computing Environment ====
I've found that the motherboard in one of our computers has leaky capacitors and needs to be replaced. I has a Socket A AMD Athlon XP 2000+ processor. First, does anyone have a recommendation for the most Linux compatible board or chipset? Any VIA from the KT133A onwards runs pretty good here. If the current board is an SD-RAM setup and you don't want to buy new memory, I would strongly recommend the Gigabyte GA-7XZE revision 2.1. It's still available here and
On Thursday 10 March 2005 05:46, William H Lugg wrote: there, and still supported by Gigabyte. Mine at home is rock solid, and the cool thing is that it can handle CPUs all the way up to the 2600+ Thoroughbred, anything on a 266mhz FSB, basically. All the onboard hardware is 100% supported. Downside: for even the older Athlons, SD-RAM really is a bottleneck. The board only has USB 1.1 too. It's really worth the money getting DDR-RAM though. The boards are cheap, and, as I just found out while shopping for more RAM for mine, it's cheaper to by a good DDR based board with 1GB DDR400, than to buy 1GB PC133 RAM. And I'm not talking cheapo stuff - top of the line ASUS/Gigabyte board with Corsair RAM in both cases. To give you an idea of the performance difference, on my machine - 1800+ Athlon with PC-133, crunching a seti packet took 5 to 5 and a half hours on avarage. A friend of mine had a 1700+ on a nForce2 board with dual channel DDR333 (iirc). His took just under 4 hours.
Second, I am running SuSE 9.2. What should I do, if anything, to prepare the OS for the replacement? Just shut it down :-) Stuff like the chipset (which usually makes that other OS break badly) will go almost unnoticed, and for onboard sound you can just run yast. I've use a single hard disc with SUSE on that I carried around and used in various different machines. I survived some pretty intense hardware changes!
-- Kind regards Hans du Plooy SagacIT (Pty) Ltd hansdp at sagacit dot com
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:28:14 +0200, Hans du Plooy
I've found that the motherboard in one of our computers has leaky capacitors and needs to be replaced. I has a Socket A AMD Athlon XP 2000+ processor. First, does anyone have a recommendation for the most Linux compatible board or chipset? Any VIA from the KT133A onwards runs pretty good here. If the current board is an SD-RAM setup and you don't want to buy new memory, I would strongly recommend the Gigabyte GA-7XZE revision 2.1. It's still available here and
On Thursday 10 March 2005 05:46, William H Lugg wrote: there, and still supported by Gigabyte. Mine at home is rock solid, and the cool thing is that it can handle CPUs all the way up to the 2600+ Thoroughbred, anything on a 266mhz FSB, basically. All the onboard hardware is 100% supported. Downside: for even the older Athlons, SD-RAM really is a bottleneck. The board only has USB 1.1 too.
It's really worth the money getting DDR-RAM though. The boards are cheap, and, as I just found out while shopping for more RAM for mine, it's cheaper to by a good DDR based board with 1GB DDR400, than to buy 1GB PC133 RAM. And I'm not talking cheapo stuff - top of the line ASUS/Gigabyte board with Corsair RAM in both cases.
To give you an idea of the performance difference, on my machine - 1800+ Athlon with PC-133, crunching a seti packet took 5 to 5 and a half hours on avarage. A friend of mine had a 1700+ on a nForce2 board with dual channel DDR333 (iirc). His took just under 4 hours.
Second, I am running SuSE 9.2. What should I do, if anything, to prepare the OS for the replacement? Just shut it down :-) Stuff like the chipset (which usually makes that other OS break badly) will go almost unnoticed, and for onboard sound you can just run yast. I've use a single hard disc with SUSE on that I carried around and used in various different machines. I survived some pretty intense hardware changes!
-- Kind regards Hans du Plooy SagacIT (Pty) Ltd hansdp at sagacit dot com
I have to admit that this is something I used to wonder about, changing a mobo. It's the after effect of knowing what happens with Window$ when you perform a mobo (or near enough anything else) transplant. Perhaps this should be touted more openly that Linux does not choke and curl up and die when faced with major hardware changes as opposed to M$ products. -- Take care. Kevan Farmer 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
I have to admit that this is something I used to wonder about, changing a mobo. It's the after effect of knowing what happens with Window$ when you perform a mobo (or near enough anything else) transplant. Perhaps this should be touted more openly that Linux does not choke and curl up and die when faced with major hardware changes as opposed to M$ products. I think soon it won't really matter that windows chokes on a new mobo. Currently MS has you re-"activate" your windows if you change too much hardware. The next logical step is to forbid you to change hardware. You're already not allowed to install a Windows OEM package on a different PC than
On Thursday 10 March 2005 17:42, Kevanf1 wrote: the one with the sticker on, even if that machine burns down or gets stolen. That presents a rather moronic situation, actually. If a thief steals my PC with a retail windows on, he'll be using both my computer and windows illegally. BUT, if the computer has an OEM windows on, he'll be using a stolen computer, but be able to use the windows on it legally. Whaaa haaa haa! -- Kind regards Hans du Plooy SagacIT (Pty) Ltd hansdp at sagacit dot com
Kevan, On Thursday 10 March 2005 07:42, Kevanf1 wrote:
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I have to admit that this is something I used to wonder about, changing a mobo. It's the after effect of knowing what happens with Window$ when you perform a mobo (or near enough anything else) transplant. Perhaps this should be touted more openly that Linux does not choke and curl up and die when faced with major hardware changes as opposed to M$ products.
I've changed mainboards twice (keeping the same SCSI controller, video card and other hardware) without reinstalling my Windows 2K (I even went from dual processor to uniprocessor to hypertheaded processor). Each time, Windows adapted fine. I had to reboot more times than I'd like, but it did handle the changes without anything breaking.
-- Take care. Kevan Farmer
Hmmm... I can't promise, and I can't even promise to try, but I promise I'll try to try. Randall Schulz
On Thursday 10 March 2005 10:42 am, Kevanf1 wrote:
I have to admit that this is something I used to wonder about, changing a mobo. It's the after effect of knowing what happens with Window$ when you perform a mobo (or near enough anything else) transplant. Perhaps this should be touted more openly that Linux does not choke and curl up and die when faced with major hardware changes as opposed to M$ products.
You're right. I once changed a board (AMD Athlon 800mhz) to an Intel P4 2.8Ghz and figured I would at least have to get out the rescue system and do some reconfiguring. Nope, just fired it up and it ran fine. Oh, and I switched from a Matrox video card to an ATI at the same time, just to make things interesting. No problem with that either.
On Thursday 10 March 2005 10:42 am, Kevanf1 wrote:
I have to admit that this is something I used to wonder about, changing a mobo. It's the after effect of knowing what happens with Window$ when you perform a mobo (or near enough anything else) transplant. Perhaps this should be touted more openly that Linux does not choke and curl up and die when faced with major hardware changes as opposed to M$ products.
You're right. I once changed a board (AMD Athlon 800mhz) to an Intel P4 2.8Ghz and figured I would at least have to get out the rescue system and do some reconfiguring.
Nope, just fired it up and it ran fine. Oh, and I switched from a Matrox video card to an ATI at the same time, just to make things interesting. No problem with that either.
Don't mean to jump in the middle of a good thread, but this is very interesting info to me. I was under the impression that linux was very adverse to changes such as mobo etc. Perhaps this is from the suse 8.2 days, but maybe that is not correct as well. I am planning a hardware upgrade, and this thread has definately made my decision much easier. Thanks. -- Jim Flanagan linuxjim@jjfiii.com
Don't mean to jump in the middle of a good thread, but this is very interesting info to me. I was under the impression that linux was very adverse to changes such as mobo etc. Perhaps this is from the suse 8.2 days, but maybe that is not correct as well. I am planning a hardware upgrade, and this thread has definately made my decision much easier. Thanks.
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I never had a problem doing this with 8.2 so not sure what your problem was but When I took out the hd from one machine an dropped it into another one it took off an worked just fine. jack
On Thursday 10 March 2005 20:03, Jim Flanagan wrote:
On Thursday 10 March 2005 10:42 am, Kevanf1 wrote:
I have to admit that this is something I used to wonder about, changing a mobo. It's the after effect of knowing what happens with Window$ when you perform a mobo (or near enough anything else) transplant. Perhaps this should be touted more openly that Linux does not choke and curl up and die when faced with major hardware changes as opposed to M$ products.
You're right. I once changed a board (AMD Athlon 800mhz) to an Intel P4 2.8Ghz and figured I would at least have to get out the rescue system and do some reconfiguring.
Nope, just fired it up and it ran fine. Oh, and I switched from a Matrox video card to an ATI at the same time, just to make things interesting. No problem with that either.
Don't mean to jump in the middle of a good thread, but this is very interesting info to me. I was under the impression that linux was very adverse to changes such as mobo etc. Perhaps this is from the suse 8.2 days, but maybe that is not correct as well. I am planning a hardware upgrade, and this thread has definately made my decision much easier. Thanks.
-- Jim Flanagan linuxjim@jjfiii.com
Humm not sure where you heard that one from i have never had problems switching MoBo's at all and i have had a few .. Pete . -- If Bill Gates had gotten LAID at High School do YOU think there would be a Microsoft ? Of course NOT ! You gotta spend a lot of time at your school Locker stuffing underware up your ass to think , I am going to take on the worlds Computer Industry -------:heard on Cyber Radio.:-------
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:19:16 +0000, Peter Nikolic
On Thursday 10 March 2005 20:03, Jim Flanagan wrote:
On Thursday 10 March 2005 10:42 am, Kevanf1 wrote:
I have to admit that this is something I used to wonder about, changing a mobo. It's the after effect of knowing what happens with Window$ when you perform a mobo (or near enough anything else) transplant. Perhaps this should be touted more openly that Linux does not choke and curl up and die when faced with major hardware changes as opposed to M$ products.
You're right. I once changed a board (AMD Athlon 800mhz) to an Intel P4 2.8Ghz and figured I would at least have to get out the rescue system and do some reconfiguring.
Nope, just fired it up and it ran fine. Oh, and I switched from a Matrox video card to an ATI at the same time, just to make things interesting. No problem with that either.
Don't mean to jump in the middle of a good thread, but this is very interesting info to me. I was under the impression that linux was very adverse to changes such as mobo etc. Perhaps this is from the suse 8.2 days, but maybe that is not correct as well. I am planning a hardware upgrade, and this thread has definately made my decision much easier. Thanks.
-- Jim Flanagan linuxjim@jjfiii.com
Humm not sure where you heard that one from i have never had problems switching MoBo's at all and i have had a few ..
Pete .
-- If Bill Gates had gotten LAID at High School do YOU think there would be a Microsoft ? Of course NOT !
You gotta spend a lot of time at your school Locker stuffing underware up your ass to think , I am going to take on the worlds Computer Industry
-------:heard on Cyber Radio.:-------
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Hmmm, I don't you guys experiences at all but they are very different to mine and to those of others I know in the industry. I've found that Window$ doesn't really ming minor changes like graphic cards or sound cards etc. but try it with a mobo and it does not play ball. That's not just me, that is a lot of colleagues also. Perhaps we've just been unlucky :-)))) But thinking about it like that does tend to put Window$ into perspective. It is pot luck with M$ stuff whether it works or not. Whereas Linux just gets on it, assuming everything is ok i.e. no bad RAM or broken cards etc. Ah well, interesting discussion nonetheless :-) -- Take care. Kevan Farmer 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
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