Re: [SLE] System slow with 6.3
Hi, Please note - This posting is not a Troll/Flamebait etc, but from experience... ** I understand 810 may not be a good processor to use as a server. Very true (810 is the chipset though). ** But, previous to this we had installed 6.2 on another Compaq with a Intel ** PIII 440BX with 256 Mb Ram. Even on this m/c, 6.2 Linux showed the same ** behavior of hanging / slowing down appreciabely when users work remotely ** or run some system commands or copy some big files. Notice two things common between the systems: Compaq. Just because Compaq has a big name, doesnt make their hardware well supported, reliable and predictable. My company (a pretty large one), has 800 odd workstations and 30 odd servers custom built using genuine Intel boards and processors. These have never experienced this kind of problem. We actually dropped Compaq as a viable solutions provider as their hardware wasn't consistant and/or reliable. ** Even here, the 'top' ** and free commands always seem to show the used memory at around 70 to 80 ** % of the total memory of 256 Mb even just after booting. So, we cannot ** unilaterally blame it on 810. No, lets unilaterally blame it on Compaq. I suggest you go out and grab some bits to build your own system from precise requirements and shop parts. Get an Asus or Intel GX/BX board and use that. Do it and see the difference. See why you are throwing your cash down the toilet. Other people's opinions on Compaq are invited. ----------------------------------------------------------- Chris Smith IS Dept - Raytheon Systems Limited [chris.smith@raytheon.co.uk] +44 1279 407 103 ----------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
I agree, compaq is the pits. unless you are talking Alpha. I am always amazed at performance differences between Identical processor/mem/io setups among various Manufacturers. even the same manufacturers sometimes. Supposedly identical hardware and no two run alike. Wonder what the bogomips say? Chris.Smith@raytheon.co.uk wrote:
Other people's opinions on Compaq are invited.
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Is that how they spell it? I always thought it was "ComCRAP" -- Regards Don Hansford ECKYTECH COMPUTING Surfing the Net (without crashing) With SuSE 6.4 Linux (Thanx Linus!) "Microsoft democratised the computer market and served as a catalyst in making computers available to everybody. Later, however, they did as many revolutionaries do -- they became dictators. History has taught us the inevitable fate of dictators." -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
I don't like Compaq's workstation products (we standardized on Dell), but do like their servers. They use different chipsets and have parallel peer PCI buses. We've got 2 2500's (PPro 200) running as Novell servers. There've been no hardware issues and the only time I shut them down is for service packs. Performance is good. 10-20% CPU with 1000 users logged in and servicing 150 print queues. Back to the problem at hand. I haven't seen swap mentioned in this discussion. I had my home systems bog down because someone (not mentioning names)forgot to configure the swap space. Also if there is heavy disk I/O and you are using IDE drives, things can get pretty slow. IDE uses a lot of CPU as opposed to SCSI. On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:10:03 +0100 Chris.Smith@raytheon.co.uk wrote:
Hi,
Please note - This posting is not a Troll/Flamebait etc, but from experience...
** I understand 810 may not be a good processor to use as a server.
Very true (810 is the chipset though).
** But, previous to this we had installed 6.2 on another Compaq with a Intel ** PIII 440BX with 256 Mb Ram. Even on this m/c, 6.2 Linux showed the same ** behavior of hanging / slowing down appreciabely when users work remotely ** or run some system commands or copy some big files.
Notice two things common between the systems: Compaq.
Just because Compaq has a big name, doesnt make their hardware well supported, reliable and predictable. My company (a pretty large one), has 800 odd workstations and 30 odd servers custom built using genuine Intel boards and processors. These have never experienced this kind of problem. We actually dropped Compaq as a viable solutions provider as their hardware wasn't consistant and/or reliable.
** Even here, the 'top' ** and free commands always seem to show the used memory at around 70 to 80 ** % of the total memory of 256 Mb even just after booting. So, we cannot ** unilaterally blame it on 810.
No, lets unilaterally blame it on Compaq.
I suggest you go out and grab some bits to build your own system from precise requirements and shop parts. Get an Asus or Intel GX/BX board and use that. Do it and see the difference. See why you are throwing your cash down the toilet.
Other people's opinions on Compaq are invited.
----------------------------------------------------------- Chris Smith IS Dept - Raytheon Systems Limited [chris.smith@raytheon.co.uk] +44 1279 407 103 -----------------------------------------------------------
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I second that, we drop Compaq from our vendor list as well. :) Dennis/SG
Hi,
Please note - This posting is not a Troll/Flamebait etc, but from experience...
** I understand 810 may not be a good processor to use as a server.
Very true (810 is the chipset though).
** But, previous to this we had installed 6.2 on another Compaq with a Intel ** PIII 440BX with 256 Mb Ram. Even on this m/c, 6.2 Linux showed the same ** behavior of hanging / slowing down appreciabely when users work
remotely
** or run some system commands or copy some big files.
Notice two things common between the systems: Compaq.
Just because Compaq has a big name, doesnt make their hardware well supported, reliable and predictable. My company (a pretty large one), has 800 odd workstations and 30 odd servers custom built using genuine Intel boards and processors. These have never experienced this kind of problem. We actually dropped Compaq as a viable solutions provider as their hardware wasn't consistant and/or reliable.
** Even here, the 'top' ** and free commands always seem to show the used memory at around 70 to 80 ** % of the total memory of 256 Mb even just after booting. So, we cannot ** unilaterally blame it on 810.
No, lets unilaterally blame it on Compaq.
I suggest you go out and grab some bits to build your own system from precise requirements and shop parts. Get an Asus or Intel GX/BX board and use that. Do it and see the difference. See why you are throwing your cash down the toilet.
Other people's opinions on Compaq are invited.
----------------------------------------------------------- Chris Smith IS Dept - Raytheon Systems Limited [chris.smith@raytheon.co.uk] +44 1279 407 103 -----------------------------------------------------------
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Other people's opinions on Compaq are invited.
Foget it. Not the opinions, but Compaq. We are punished by the same Corpoare decision: Compaq only. They are reliable though, but in the old '386 days, were everybody used SIMs they used *special* memory modules, usuably at quadrupple prices. Later, they switched to PS2 modules, well can't argue about that. The floppy drives in these days were different and special too. If you wanted to add a second hard drive, too bad (valid up to now). You needed special (ring ring more dollars into compaqs account) adaptors to mount them. I am currently saving old (from binned 386's) 3 1/2" drives, or rather the plates they are mounted on, since these make nice mounting plates for a second harddrive (Deskpro 590). Some genial chap at compaq discovered that HD cables with one HD connector are cheaper, and since there is no place to mount a second hard drive... I remember nice adventures with cables that had one pin "missing" to avoid misplacement, but were differently coded. I couldn't recycle a cable from an elder PC. And there are these sort of rails that you'll need to mount i.e. CD ROMs into the 590's (same applies probably for the deskpro 4000 series too). Again, old 386's and 486's were butchered to salvage these from old 5 1/4" drives. Another semi moron got through with the idea of placing the setup onto the hard drive into an extra partition. very nice that you can have a french or german version, but I'd prefer an english (for goodness sake, even french or italian) version that is always reacheable from ROM. Not to mention the infamous "Compaq Q-Vision" screen display card, that is found in the 486 i-series and deskpro 5xx series, beeing on top of the the linux unsupported list for ages. Best of all, its easy to upgrade a normal PC. Try to find a board that will fit into a compaq and work.... We still stay with compaq for reasons that are plausible, but these reason were still plasible it you replace the name compaq with anything else. stay away with compaq! Juergen (Sorry to those Compaq subscribers for this list, I had to air my frustration) -- =========================================== __ _ Juergen Braukmann juergen.braukmann@gmx.de| -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb@db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu | /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ===========================================_\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
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