On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 21:50, C Hamel wrote:

On 19:15 Thu 28 Oct , a.bridge@insightbb.com wrote:

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I'm new to Suse and was wondering if I can use YaST to upgrade from 9.0 to 9.1? If so, how? I want to avoid having to boot from CD and upgrade that way.

Thanks,

Aaron

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Don't believe one can do that (someone will now prove me wrong <G>). One doesn't have to lose everything, though: there is an option on the boot CD that doesn't work w/FTP but may w/regular install. One also does not have to trash the /home/<user> directory to upgrade. Just choose 'partitioning for experts' and tell SuSE not to format /home.

Done automatically, when you choose update...

-- "Yogi" CH Namast� Yoga Studio

On Thursday 28 October 2004 4:00 pm, Osho GG wrote:

OK, but what wlll I do if I don't have /home on a different partition? If you upgrade, it updates your current release without destroying what you already have. I personally prefer to have a separate /home file system because OS upgrades can sometimes be problematic. SuSE has been very good about this though. -- Jerry Feldman Partner Technology Access Center (contractor) (PTAC-MA) Hewlett-Packard Co. 550 King Street LKG2a-X2 Littleton, Ma. 01460 (978)506-5243

On Thursday 28 October 2004 01:12 pm, Jerome R. Westrick wrote:

On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 22:00, Osho GG wrote:

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OK, but what wlll I do if I don't have /home on a different partition?

Osho

When you do the upgrade option, Yast does NOT format any particiones, instead it uses your current setup...

As a case in point. I did the upgrade on a 9.0 to 9.1.

I had all files in 1 softraid partion (md0 mounted as /), the upgrade went in effortless, Yast did it's thingy, and then it rebooted 9.1.

The new version of evolution even extracted my emails from the old version, I lost no data... I did nothing special....

In other words...

Just boot from DVD, choose update instead of install, and let magic of SuSE do it's work!

Jerry (Umm, I did have a backup just incase, that is probably a good idea)

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On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 21:50, C Hamel wrote:

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On 19:15 Thu 28 Oct , a.bridge@insightbb.com wrote:

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I'm new to Suse and was wondering if I can use YaST to upgrade from 9.0 to 9.1? If so, how? I want to avoid having to boot from CD and upgrade that way.

Thanks,

Aaron

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Don't believe one can do that (someone will now prove me wrong <G>). One doesn't have to lose everything, though: there is an option on the boot CD that doesn't work w/FTP but may w/regular install. One also does not have to trash the /home/<user> directory to upgrade. Just choose 'partitioning for experts' and tell SuSE not to format /home.

Done automatically, when you choose update...

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-- "Yogi" CH Namast� Yoga Studio

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-- Just a question, Does the upgrade keep your cups setups. That has been the area I had the most trouble with initally with 9.0 and when I converted to 9.1 Pro. Russ

On Thursday 28 October 2004 07:36 pm, C Hamel wrote:

On 17:02 Thu 28 Oct , Russ wrote:

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On Thursday 28 October 2004 01:12 pm, Jerome R. Westrick wrote:

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Just a question, Does the upgrade keep your cups setups. That has been

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area I had the most trouble with initally with 9.0 and when I converted to 9.1 Pro. Russ

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Don't know about others but all I had to do was use YaST to add my printer & OOo was all ready to go when I said 'print'. I did check the setup to make certain, however. (I also discovered that the margins for a couple documents looked okay on the screen but had to be adjusted a little for printout to look as good.)

I have had zero trouble with other applications --like MPlayer, Xine, Video-DVDRip, Avidemux, etc, since upgrading & actually found that Kaffeine *finally* plays DVDs! All but Kaffeine came from Packman's site, incidentally. The SuSE pkgs arrive in a broken state.

FWIW... -- "Yogi" CH Namast� Yoga Studio

-- My HP is a OfficeJet G55 all in one. It installs with YaST2 but has never printed until I went through a manual Config. Russ

*** Reply to message from "James P. Bennett" on Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) One more candle and a trip around the Sun***

Be certain you have enough disk space. If the update runs out of space, you get a non-functioning hybrid of two versions. It happened to me when I left too small a partition for /opt.

yeah, not lately but earlier in my Suse career I did that, I think most of us have done it at least once... well, maybe not Anders Johansson. Not since he got out of short pants anyway... Did we tell all the new kids that they WERE actually going to screw up and reinstall the same thing a few times while they unlearned their winders reflexes ??? Ahhh we must've done , at least one or two of us <VBG> I wish you Happiness, but *do* note the sig line <G> P.S. oh dear, I'm certain I'm not being a good Do-be today. I know the Chubby Guy said not to qualify that wish... still, everyone has to learn everything, no and I've got miles and miles left, and if those guys are right rings and rings of lives to redo til I do learn. -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit

David Robertson wrote:

On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 14:18 -0500, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:

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I wish you Happiness, but *do* note the sig line <G>

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-- nemo me impune lacessit

I'm sure you know that your sig is the old motto of the Scottish kings, or the Order of the Thistle. It translates into Scots as "Wha daur meddle wi' me" which sounds a wee bit better than "no-one assails me with impunity!"

It sounds more like they were into the Scotch. ;-)

** Reply to message from Anders Johansson on Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:47:27 +0200

On Friday, 29 October 2004 21.18, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:

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yeah, not lately but earlier in my Suse career I did that, I think most of us have done it at least once... well, maybe not Anders Johansson.

Not sure what your point is, but I've made more than my fair share of mistakes and blunders.

Anders, I think my wife's point is that she considers you THE guru of the SuSE list. It was a compliment, my friend. ;o) Gil

Anders Johansson wrote:

Well thank you, but everyone makes mistakes, even Dennis Ritchie or Linus Torvalds. And anyone who claims to not make mistakes is a liar.

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken. ;-)

On Friday 29 October 2004 2:05 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Friday, 29 October 2004 22.56, Gil Weber wrote:

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On Friday, 29 October 2004 21.18, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:

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Not sure what your point is, but I've made more than my fair share of mistakes and blunders.

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Anders, I think my wife's point is that she considers you THE guru of the SuSE list. It was a compliment, my friend. ;o) Gil

Well thank you, but everyone makes mistakes, even Dennis Ritchie or Linus Torvalds. And anyone who claims to not make mistakes is a liar. The true measurement of knowledge isn't to avoid mistakes (that's part of the field of engineering), it's to be able to get things corrected afterwards.

My favourite definition of 'expert': One who has made every mistake one can conceivably make in his field

That he best defination I've ever heard. Now we know why you are so good. Keep up the good work. Rich -- Rich Matson Reno, Nv. USA

On Saturday 30 Oct 2004 04:26, Fred Miller wrote:

On Friday October 29 2004 11:18 pm, C. Richard Matson wrote:

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My favourite definition of 'expert': One who has made every mistake one can conceivably make in his field

That he best defination I've ever heard. Now we know why you are so good. Keep up the good work. Rich

Another worthwhile definition is; "X" is an unknown quantity and "spurt" is a little drip under pressure. :)

Fred

-- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin 1759

Nahh you got that one wrong Fred ... it's "X as in has been" and "Spurt as in drip under pressure" Keep up the work fellas just got to figure out why 9.2 wont install on this box .. but 9.1 will any ideas (i am fishing here )....:- ) Cheers Pete. -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan, The time is here to FORGET that M$ Corp ever existed the world does not NEED M$ Corp the world has NO USE for M$ Corp it is time to END M$ Corp , Play time is over folks time for action approaches at an alarming pace the death knell for M$ Copr has been sounded . Termination time is around the corner ..

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My favourite definition of 'expert': One who has made every mistake one can conceivably make in his field

That he best defination I've ever heard. Now we know why you are so good. Keep up the good work. Rich

gee, someone once told me an Expert was a former spert or posibley pert so one should always consider where they were coming from as an "ex" anyone always has some sort of bias <G> don't we all <G> -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit

Osho GG wrote:

OK, but what wlll I do if I don't have /home on a different partition?

Backup the directory, then next time you install, create a /home partition.

On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 04:37, C Hamel wrote:

On 21:52 Thu 28 Oct , James Knott wrote:

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Backup the directory, then next time you install, create a /home partition.

Okay, People... I'm almost scared to ask 'cuase it seams like a holy grail type thing with you guys, but..... In the old days (before linux had decent file systems) you made separate partitions incase one of the other partions got trashed, it would not trash your data... (Note that it was usually the system partiions that got trashed...) Now-a-days the file systems don't get trashed right? Therefore the reason for having seperate partiitons has disappeared? Or am I missing something? Jerry

Jerome R. Westrick wrote:

Okay, People...

I'm almost scared to ask 'cuase it seams like a holy grail type thing with you guys, but.....

In the old days (before linux had decent file systems) you made separate partitions incase one of the other partions got trashed, it would not trash your data... (Note that it was usually the system partiions that got trashed...)

Now-a-days the file systems don't get trashed right?

Heh heh heh heh.

Therefore the reason for having seperate partiitons has disappeared?

No. The reason why you want separate partitions is that things DO screw up. It's also for long-term convenience. it's a good idea to create separate partitions because it makes it easier to *blow away* bits of the system that you need to blow away when doing something like an upgrade and leaving everything else important *intact*. It seems like it's convenient in the beginning to have everything in one partition, because you've been trained by MSFT do do so over the years. Yes, it's easy to just create one huge partition and leave everything else as subdirectories, but what happens when you screw up and FUBAR the OS or get Owned? If /usr, /home, /root, /boot, /var, /etc are all on separate partitions, you can fdisk the broken partitions and rebuild it *leaving everything else alone*. So say the OS is FUBARed...fdisk, erase the busted system partitions, leaving things like /home /var and /etc alone, rebuild the system, and there's no data loss. All your settings are still there, as are your user files. At a minimum, you should have the system partition separated from the /home partition. This greatly decreases agita when doing a "clean install/upgrade" (no need to tar the /home directory to removable media or another drive). Back when I used to work in a small PC shop part time, we would ALWAYS create a partition on a drive and copy the customer's copy of Windows to it, so when they broke the system and brought it to the shop, we could rebuild their OS without even using the cdrom. Indeed, if you take this unix pilosophy to your own Windows machine, I see absolutely no reason why \Windows, \Program Files, and \My Documents shouldn't be on separate partitions. -- Dan

Or am I missing something?

Jerry

Daniel Podgurski wrote:

Back when I used to work in a small PC shop part time, we would ALWAYS create a partition on a drive and copy the customer's copy of Windows to it, so when they broke the system and brought it to the shop, we could rebuild their OS without even using the cdrom. Indeed, if you take this unix pilosophy to your own Windows machine, I see absolutely no reason why \Windows, \Program Files, and \My Documents shouldn't be on separate partitions.

Because Billy Boy says so. On XP, you can finally move My Documents to another partition, it's difficult to move others. Even when you move My Documents, not all applications recognize the move. Incidentally, my ThinkPad came with XP, on with I created a FAT32 partition for My Documents, so that both Linux and XP can access the data.

The Friday 2004-10-29 at 10:28 +0200, Jerome R. Westrick wrote:

Now-a-days the file systems don't get trashed right?

Er... sometimes :-p

Therefore the reason for having seperate partiitons has disappeared?

Not entirely.

Or am I missing something?

In the case of the /home partition, the advantage is that you can reinstall the distro, formating "/", and leaving /home alone, so that your personal files are not lost. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

Jerome R. Westrick wrote:

On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 04:37, C Hamel wrote:

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On 21:52 Thu 28 Oct , James Knott wrote:

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Backup the directory, then next time you install, create a /home partition.

Okay, People...

I'm almost scared to ask 'cuase it seams like a holy grail type thing with you guys, but.....

In the old days (before linux had decent file systems) you made separate partitions incase one of the other partions got trashed, it would not trash your data... (Note that it was usually the system partiions that got trashed...)

Now-a-days the file systems don't get trashed right?

Therefore the reason for having seperate partiitons has disappeared?

Or am I missing something?

The reason for a separate /home partition, is so that user data deosn't get clobbered, during an install. If your /home was on the same partition as / and you reformated during install, your data would be lost. Some people also like to mount /var on it's own partition, so that it won't use up all avaiable disk space, with overflowing logs etc.

*** Reply to message from "Jerome R. Westrick" on Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:28:46 +0200 One more candle and a trip around the Sun***

Therefore the reason for having seperate partiitons has disappeared?

Or am I missing something?

as several folks have said it saves a lot of agro if/when you screw up the system, OR something that you install borks your system over writes your system files, if someone, the heavens forfend, should "root" ( 'ROOT" ?) your box.. that is ; if they plant a root kit on your system so that the person can *own* your box for any reason at any time . You can easily disconnect from your network and reinstall everything except your /home and /usr and /whatever because they are on separate partitions. For instance,if you have the install program show you what is already on your system or, even better, you will have taken notes when you install. ( at least until doing this stuff is such a habit you just "know" it's hda3 or it's sdb2 ). Which you then tell "yast do not touch those partitions". No formating at all for those partitions.That saves all your data while yast goes happily about formatting and installing everything else. If you test systems and software it's a guarantee you will install something flakey at some point. And your system will be farqed, leaving you a huge challenge.. unless, you separate your partitions.. You can even have them all on the same drive if there is enough room on it but you want to keep those directories away from the main things and whichever part you screw up, you can fix w/o needing to reinstall everything.. -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit

On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 03:28, Jerome R. Westrick wrote:

On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 04:37, C Hamel wrote:

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On 21:52 Thu 28 Oct , James Knott wrote:

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Backup the directory, then next time you install, create a /home partition.

Okay, People...

I'm almost scared to ask 'cuase it seams like a holy grail type thing with you guys, but.....

In the old days (before linux had decent file systems) you made separate partitions incase one of the other partions got trashed, it would not trash your data... (Note that it was usually the system partiions that got trashed...)

Now-a-days the file systems don't get trashed right?

Therefore the reason for having seperate partiitons has disappeared?

Or am I missing something?

I think your missing the idea that having a separate /home partition makes the upgrade path easier in terms of getting back to using your data. It does require a few extra steps at install time though. Mike

Mike McMullin wrote:

On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 15:00, Osho GG wrote:

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OK, but what wlll I do if I don't have /home on a different partition?

Back it up to CD's, and hopefully you will make a separate /home partition on the new install. I did something like that during the last upgrade cycle, except I bought a new hd for the Linux partition, and then copied old /home/<user> dirs over to it. BTW don't forget to chown the <user> dirs to the appropriate <user>, it works better that way. :)

If you're upgrading and repartitioning, one thing you might consider, is moving /home to the old swap partition, if of suitable size. To do that, boot a rescue disk and convert the swap partition to your desired file system and then copy over /home. Then during the install, create another swap and add the new /home to the system. However, it's still a good idea to make backups, even if you're not upgrading. I backup my ThinkPad to tar files on my desktop system and then do a full image copy of my desktop hard drive to an identical drive, mounted in a removable tray. I also back up my home directory to a CD-RW.

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I also back up my home directory to a CD-RW.

you can fit your home directory on a Cd ??? I went to DVD and now am looking for a writer that will use the 7.5gig DVDs... ( sorta like the ones they use for video cams. )

I remember backing up my entire hard drive to a stack of 360K floppies! If I were to back up a full drive today, it would take about 200,000 floppies!

Jeffrey Laramie wrote:

My preference is to back up the /etc and /home directories (at least) and then do a clean install. You can come back later and add or replace the configuration/preferences files you need, saving the default file in case your old one doesn't work right.

I backup everything, before upgrading

What I do is create a /data partition that holds all my files and any program that didn't come with the distro (including my /home directory and a backup of the current /etc). I then backup the /data directory, do a clean installation, and set the /data directory to mount automatically. Presto! A clean installation with clean config files *and* all my old files to use as needed.

Isn't /opt for packages that didn't come with the distro?

*** Reply to message from Jeffrey Laramie on Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:37:59 -0400 One more candle and a trip around the Sun***

I want to keep my data and programs completely separated from the distro files.

you can try to install at least browsers and some other files only in your home directory.. they may not run, but if you compile them and tell them to be there, they just might work... there is also the /usr/local option... or /usr/share if you want others to be able to use the programs at a future time.. Empty directories tends to depend on whether you install a lot of software in them... I should think you could create any directory under /usr as root and give your username rights to it... -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit

One issue I have long raised is whether to upgrade or whether to do a fresh install. Upgrades always have some problems regardless of the operating system and vendor. SuSE has always had reasonably good upgrades. A new installcleans out your old software. For instance, on SuSE 9.1, OpenOffice.org was installed on /opt where in 9.2, it is installed in /usr/lib. In my case, I upgraded this system from SuSE 9.1 Professional to SuSE 9.2 professional, and that left me with 2 copies of OpenOffice.org. That was easy to correct, but some of the differences may be subtle. As a matter of course, I generally set up my systems with separate /home and /usr/local file systems so that I can easily perform a clean install.

On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 08:27 +0100, peter Nikolic wrote:

On Friday 29 Oct 2004 02:56, James Knott wrote:

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Isn't /opt for packages that didn't come with the distro?

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr nnooooooooooooo

/opt youy find KDE GNOME OpenOffice and loads more this is suse not redhat. ..:-).. i am glad to say ..

My understanding is that user-installed stuff should really go into /usr/local/ but, historically, SuSE has always used /opt for what might be called non-essential or extra stuff. There was a time when Gnome, and not KDE, was there which I took as being a reflection of SuSE's view of Gnome (ie - we prefer KDE). I tend to put stuff I've installed myself into /opt, which has its own partition, then it's all in the one place and easier to work with, I think. David -- Registered Linux User No 207521 The Linux Counter: http://counter.li.org/ "The above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head."