[opensuse] First Moonlight port of Silverlight to Linux due in six months, ported by Novell.

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Fred A. Miller

9 Dec 2007 9 Dec '07

05:45

I posted this here so everyone would know about it, rather than another list. http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1020&tag=nl.e539 -- This message originated from a Linux computer using Open Source software: openSuSE Linux 10.3. No Gates, no Windows....just Linux - STABLE & SECURE! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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James Knott

9 Dec 9 Dec

14:13

Fred A. Miller wrote:

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I posted this here so everyone would know about it, rather than another list.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1020&tag=nl.e539

Why do I keep getting the feeling Miguel de Icaza has sold his soul? -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Adam Tauno Williams

16:28

New subject: [opensuse] First Moonlight port of Silverlight to Linux due in six months, ported by Novell.

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I posted this here so everyone would know about it, rather than another list. http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1020&tag=nl.e539 Why do I keep getting the feeling Miguel de Icaza has sold his soul?

1.) Developed any apps lately? Mono is nothing short of heaven sent. Finally a platform for easily building desktop apps on Linux that don't suck. 1.1.) It is actually *DOCUMENTED*, which is kinda handy if your a developer. 2.) Moonlight will save *LOTS* of people from having to run Internet Explorer in order to access sites they MUST use in order to do their jobs. Like what they currently MUST do if those sites use Active-X. Adam Tauno Williams, Network & Systems Administrator Consultant - http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com Developer - http://www.opengroupware.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Matt T.

10 Dec 10 Dec

01:00

On Sunday 09 December 2007, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

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I posted this here so everyone would know about it, rather than another list. http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1020&tag=nl.e539

Why do I keep getting the feeling Miguel de Icaza has sold his soul?

1.) Developed any apps lately? Mono is nothing short of heaven sent. Finally a platform for easily building desktop apps on Linux that don't suck.

Hmmm... the first mono apps I noticed on Linux sucked enough to make me de-installing them. Developed any apps lately using KDE / Qt 3 / Qt 4 / PyQt / PyKDE? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Benji Weber

10:01

On 09/12/2007, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

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I posted this here so everyone would know about it, rather than another list. http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1020&tag=nl.e539 Why do I keep getting the feeling Miguel de Icaza has sold his soul?

1.) Developed any apps lately? Mono is nothing short of heaven sent. Finally a platform for easily building desktop apps on Linux that don't suck. 1.1.) It is actually *DOCUMENTED*, which is kinda handy if your a developer.

I like mono too, but we also have java. -- Benjamin Weber -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott

15:57

Benji Weber wrote:

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I posted this here so everyone would know about it, rather than another list. http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1020&tag=nl.e539 Why do I keep getting the feeling Miguel de Icaza has sold his soul? 1.) Developed any apps lately? Mono is nothing short of heaven sent. Finally a platform for easily building desktop apps on Linux that don't suck. 1.1.) It is actually *DOCUMENTED*, which is kinda handy if your a developer.

I like mono too, but we also have java.

When I was a teen, "mono" meant something else and you wouldn't like it. :-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Aaron Kulkis

22:29

James Knott wrote:

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Benji Weber wrote:

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I posted this here so everyone would know about it, rather than another list. http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1020&tag=nl.e539 Why do I keep getting the feeling Miguel de Icaza has sold his soul? 1.) Developed any apps lately? Mono is nothing short of heaven sent. Finally a platform for easily building desktop apps on Linux that don't suck. 1.1.) It is actually *DOCUMENTED*, which is kinda handy if your a developer.

I like mono too, but we also have java.

When I was a teen, "mono" meant something else and you wouldn't like it. :-)

Different substance, same nasty problem which spreads by infection. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kevin Dupuy

11 Dec 11 Dec

22:48

On Dec 10, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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I posted this here so everyone would know about it, rather than another list. http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1020&tag=nl.e539 Why do I keep getting the feeling Miguel de Icaza has sold his soul? 1.) Developed any apps lately? Mono is nothing short of heaven sent. Finally a platform for easily building desktop apps on Linux that don't suck. 1.1.) It is actually *DOCUMENTED*, which is kinda handy if your a developer.

I like mono too, but we also have java. When I was a teen, "mono" meant something else and you wouldn't

Benji Weber wrote: like it. :-)

Different substance, same nasty problem which spreads by infection.

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Alright, I think there has been enough FUD spread on this list. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Philipp Thomas

10 Dec 10 Dec

10:01

On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:28:44 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

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Finally a platform for easily building desktop apps on Linux that don't suck.

Hmm, opinions an that tend to differ. As a reference point, zmd was a mono app.

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2.) Moonlight will save *LOTS* of people from having to run Internet Explorer in order to access sites they MUST use in order to do their jobs.

Oh come on! At least in its current state, I really doubt that anyone is actually using silverlight. I have yet to come aross a web site that uses it. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike

15:02

On Monday 10 December 2007 11:01, Philipp Thomas wrote:

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On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:28:44 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

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Finally a platform for easily building desktop apps on Linux that don't suck.

Hmm, opinions an that tend to differ. As a reference point, zmd was a mono app.

Oh gees, no wonder it didn't work worth a sh%$. I'm amazed that it made it in, but then again, Miguel is there and probably thought it was the best thing since sliced bread.

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2.) Moonlight will save *LOTS* of people from having to run Internet Explorer in order to access sites they MUST use in order to do their jobs.

Oh come on! At least in its current state, I really doubt that anyone is actually using silverlight. I have yet to come aross a web site that uses it.

Me either. And if I did, I probably would ignore it. It was hard enough getting flash to work on versions prior to 10.3, so unless it comes with the distro, and is installed automagically, I won't bother. Flash works fine. They probably use it in ads first anyway. Adblock will get them. Mike

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Philipp

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Jason Craig

17:57

Philipp Thomas wrote:

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On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:28:44 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

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2.) Moonlight will save *LOTS* of people from having to run Internet Explorer in order to access sites they MUST use in order to do their jobs.

Oh come on! At least in its current state, I really doubt that anyone is actually using silverlight. I have yet to come aross a web site that uses it.

Philipp

True, beyond the little "playgrounds" MS has probably paid for, no one is currently using Silverlight, so we probably should just ignore it and hope it never takes off. If it does become as ubiquitous as Flash, hopefully by that time it will either be too difficult to try and make a "catch-up" Linux version, or perhaps by that time MS will just have realized how powerful a bludgeon it has become and refuse to open it or modify it for other than pre-approved uses (tried Flash on 64-bit Linux lateley? Hint - Adobe doesn't care, despite what it has told the "developers" it has put on the "converting code to 64-bit " job to tell us.). As much as we may hate MS software, we must, when given the opportunity, seize any openness that they will allow, because we all know the MS way: take something that has been standardized, or suggested to be standardized, make an implementation that follows little or no commands/suggestions in the standard, refuse to document or open the MS way to scrutiny, and by virtue of its market share distribute its soon-to-be de facto standard among countless users who really don't know any better. --Jason -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

01:08

On Sunday 09 December 2007 06:13, James Knott wrote:

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Fred A. Miller wrote:

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I posted this here so everyone would know about it, rather than another list.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1020&tag=nl.e539

Why do I keep getting the feeling Miguel de Icaza has sold his soul?

If we (Linux users, supporters and/or promoters) consider Windows to be our competition and Microsoft our adversary, then undermining its stranglehold on the desktop application space (clearly an overt Microsoft tactic) by coopting a key technology invented by them to effect that tactic would seem to be a vital coup, and ironic, to boot. Is my logic off? Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Bryen

01:34

New subject: [opensuse] First Moonlight port of Silverlight to Linux due in six months, ported by Novell.

On Sun, 2007-12-09 at 17:08 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Sunday 09 December 2007 06:13, James Knott wrote:

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Fred A. Miller wrote:

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I posted this here so everyone would know about it, rather than another list.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1020&tag=nl.e539

Why do I keep getting the feeling Miguel de Icaza has sold his soul?

If we (Linux users, supporters and/or promoters) consider Windows to be our competition and Microsoft our adversary, then undermining its stranglehold on the desktop application space (clearly an overt Microsoft tactic) by coopting a key technology invented by them to effect that tactic would seem to be a vital coup, and ironic, to boot.

Is my logic off?

Randall Schulz

A high-five, Randall! You said it perfectly. I find posting such an article on our mailing list in order to stoke controversy was in poor taste and lacked the logic that you displayed. Another high-five. -- ---Bryen--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

G T Smith

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Sunday 09 December 2007 06:13, James Knott wrote:

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Fred A. Miller wrote:

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I posted this here so everyone would know about it, rather than another list.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1020&tag=nl.e539 Why do I keep getting the feeling Miguel de Icaza has sold his soul?

If we (Linux users, supporters and/or promoters) consider Windows to be our competition and Microsoft our adversary, then undermining its stranglehold on the desktop application space (clearly an overt Microsoft tactic) by coopting a key technology invented by them to effect that tactic would seem to be a vital coup, and ironic, to boot.

Is my logic off?

Randall Schulz

Hmm.. When I have come across various other attempts to make MS based application languages work on non MS platforms (AppForge on the the Symbian platform is one which comes to mind) the result usually has not been good. The thing is the framework is designed for the MS development paradigm, which is good for the MS platform, but problematic for other platforms. Developers of the framework for those platforms will always be playing catch up. Therefore, whatever appears on a non MS platform as a result will appear less functional to both end user and application developer. The non MS platform is more likely to blamed, than MS, for the issue. It is probably more logical to adopt high level languages or frameworks that are designed to be platform agnostic (e.g. Java ) than trying to adopt frameworks that are (intentionally) platform specific such as .NET. If by any chance MS become actively involved in making .NET available on non MS platforms my only thought would be.... "Beware of Greeks (Gates) bearing gifts" :-) (s/Greek/Geek/ if you feel so inclined) - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHXQPSasN0sSnLmgIRApgaAKDPMe4qhyaWlVQfts0s7ZcNkO5EXgCg2fCV RqL3Ft5daPObyhwK1Yum+uU= =jq9j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Fred A. Miller
G T Smith
James Knott
Jason Craig
Kevin Dupuy
Matt T.
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Randall R Schulz