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rost0005＠stud.uni-sb.de

16 Apr 2000 16 Apr '00

15:35

Hi all, I am persuading a friend of mine (windows-poweruser) to migrate to linux. I am successfull in this since he sees my system every day. BUT, my attempts at installing suse were futile up to now.. We tried: Booting the suse6.2 cd, went fine until the mtrr's were used or initialised, then loads of hex and a hung system. Booting the 6.3 standard bootdisk, was replied by "Invalid boot image, please change disk" Booting the athlon image from the 6.2 update folder was unsuccessfull too. ok , i know there was a thread about this, but a search for "athlon+bootdisk" at geocrawler was unsuccessfull... Please help me, my friend is itching to see his machine perform... Alex -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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rost0005＠stud.uni-sb.de

16 Apr 16 Apr

15:41

oops, sorry, forgot to include board info... mainboard FIC SD-11 w/ athlon 500 mhz AMD 751 VIA 82C... On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, Robert Alexander Stragies wrote:

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Hi all,

I am persuading a friend of mine (windows-poweruser) to migrate to linux. I am successfull in this since he sees my system every day. BUT, my attempts at installing suse were futile up to now.. We tried: Booting the suse6.2 cd, went fine until the mtrr's were used or initialised, then loads of hex and a hung system. Booting the 6.3 standard bootdisk, was replied by "Invalid boot image, please change disk" Booting the athlon image from the 6.2 update folder was unsuccessfull too.

ok , i know there was a thread about this, but a search for "athlon+bootdisk" at geocrawler was unsuccessfull...

Please help me, my friend is itching to see his machine perform...

Alex

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vcardona＠home.com

16:02

There is a boot/install disk in the 6.2 updates page which will take care of this. The normal SuSE kernel is compiled with support for mtrr's and Athlons do not use them. Download the image, and make a boot disk. I believe that will solve your problem. Victor On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, Robert Alexander Stragies wrote:

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Hi all,

I am persuading a friend of mine (windows-poweruser) to migrate to linux. I am successfull in this since he sees my system every day. BUT, my attempts at installing suse were futile up to now.. We tried: Booting the suse6.2 cd, went fine until the mtrr's were used or initialised, then loads of hex and a hung system. Booting the 6.3 standard bootdisk, was replied by "Invalid boot image, please change disk" Booting the athlon image from the 6.2 update folder was unsuccessfull too.

ok , i know there was a thread about this, but a search for "athlon+bootdisk" at geocrawler was unsuccessfull...

Please help me, my friend is itching to see his machine perform...

Alex

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rost0005＠stud.uni-sb.de

16:02

thanks, victor, But have you carefully read my post? On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, Victor R. Cardona wrote:

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There is a boot/install disk in the 6.2 updates page which will take care of this. The normal SuSE kernel is compiled with support for mtrr's and Athlons do not use them. Download the image, and make a boot disk. I believe that will solve your problem.

Victor

On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, Robert Alexander Stragies wrote:

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Hi all,

I am persuading a friend of mine (windows-poweruser) to migrate to linux. I am successfull in this since he sees my system every day. BUT, my attempts at installing suse were futile up to now.. We tried: Booting the suse6.2 cd, went fine until the mtrr's were used or initialised, then loads of hex and a hung system. Booting the 6.3 standard bootdisk, was replied by "Invalid boot image, please change disk" Booting the athlon image from the 6.2 update folder was unsuccessfull too.

ok , i know there was a thread about this, but a search for "athlon+bootdisk" at geocrawler was unsuccessfull...

Please help me, my friend is itching to see his machine perform...

Alex

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pthomas＠suse.de

16:18

* Victor R. Cardona (vcardona@home.com) [20000416 18:00]:

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The normal SuSE kernel is compiled with support for mtrr's and Athlons do not use them.

Slight correction here. Athlons and K6s do offer memory type range registers, aka mtrr. The problem is, that AMD implemented them in the K6 in their own way, while those of the Athlon are PPro/PII/PIII compatible. The kernel in 6.2 has the order, in which it checks for processors, wrong, so it tries the AMD way for Athlons, which will of cause fail. The updated kernel has the checks corrected, so it will use PPro style mtrr for Athlons. Philipp -- Philipp Thomas Development, SuSE GmbH, Schanzaecker Str. 10, D-90443 Nuremberg, Germany #define NINODE 50 /* number of in core inodes */ #define NPROC 30 /* max number of processes */ -- Version 7 UNIX fuer PDP 11, /usr/include/sys/param.h -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

rost0005＠stud.uni-sb.de

16:25

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* Victor R. Cardona (vcardona@home.com) [20000416 18:00]:

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The normal SuSE kernel is compiled with support for mtrr's and Athlons do not use them.

Slight correction here. Athlons and K6s do offer memory type range registers, aka mtrr. The problem is, that AMD implemented them in the K6 in their own way, while those of the Athlon are PPro/PII/PIII compatible. The kernel in 6.2 has the order, in which it checks for processors, wrong, so it tries the AMD way for Athlons, which will of cause fail.

The updated kernel has the checks corrected, so it will use PPro style mtrr for Athlons.

On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, Philipp Thomas wrote: thanks for the info, but the athlon image from the 6.2 update folder does NOT work on this machine. it wont even get to the mtrr's, it just refuses booting, do i need the kernel for the special ide chipsets, cause the fic mainboard has the VIa chipset?

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Philipp

-- Philipp Thomas Development, SuSE GmbH, Schanzaecker Str. 10, D-90443 Nuremberg, Germany

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pthomas＠suse.de

16:36

* Robert Alexander Stragies (rost0005@stud.uni-sb.de) [20000416 18:27]:

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it just refuses booting,

Any error messages before it gives up?

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do i need the kernel for the special ide chipsets, cause the fic mainboard has the VIa chipset?

Not for booting, because IDE support is always enabled in our kernels. But for using DMA/UDMA, you will need the kernel for special eide chipsets. Once again, if you have a 6.3, try booting from the cdrom, it *should* work. Philipp -- Philipp Thomas Development, SuSE GmbH, Schanzaecker Str. 10, D-90443 Nuremberg, Germany #define NINODE 50 /* number of in core inodes */ #define NPROC 30 /* max number of processes */ -- Version 7 UNIX fuer PDP 11, /usr/include/sys/param.h -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

rost0005＠stud.uni-sb.de

16:47

On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, Philipp Thomas wrote:

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* Robert Alexander Stragies (rost0005@stud.uni-sb.de) [20000416 18:27]:

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it just refuses booting,

Any error messages before it gives up? yep, "boot failed, change disks" or something to that extent

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do i need the kernel for the special ide chipsets, cause the fic mainboard has the VIa chipset?

Not for booting, because IDE support is always enabled in our kernels. But for using DMA/UDMA, you will need the kernel for special eide chipsets. so, i should give this image a whirl? , cause the disk is a 15gig maxtor DMA?

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Once again, if you have a 6.3, try booting from the cdrom, it *should* work.

i only have a 6.0, all other installs since i have done with ftp. what does a 6.4 cost in the german market and could i get a student rebate As i asked before, would a faulty disk make rawrite complain? should i try scandisk w/ surface scan on the floppy before using rawrite? thank you,

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Philipp

-- Philipp Thomas Development, SuSE GmbH, Schanzaecker Str. 10, D-90443 Nuremberg, Germany

#define NINODE 50 /* number of in core inodes */ #define NPROC 30 /* max number of processes */ -- Version 7 UNIX fuer PDP 11, /usr/include/sys/param.h

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rost0005＠stud.uni-sb.de

17 Apr 17 Apr

19:34

hi all, and thanks to all those who tried to help, the problem was a !!faulty!! floppy drive, burning the 6.3 iso on a cd and booting from it solved all. And I usually check things like the web and the sdb before i post, so all the things like the athlon image from 6.2 update folder had been checked before i posted, but thanks anyway for the pointers to these locos, since they may help somebody else not looking at these before posting... My friend with the athlon is now enjoying linux, but has another prob. i'll make a seperate post for this for the impatient: X eats up between 80 and 104% !! of the Ram while running. greets, Alex On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, Robert Alexander Stragies wrote:

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On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, Philipp Thomas wrote:

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* Robert Alexander Stragies (rost0005@stud.uni-sb.de) [20000416 18:27]:

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it just refuses booting,

Any error messages before it gives up? yep, "boot failed, change disks" or something to that extent

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do i need the kernel for the special ide chipsets, cause the fic mainboard has the VIa chipset?

Not for booting, because IDE support is always enabled in our kernels. But for using DMA/UDMA, you will need the kernel for special eide chipsets. so, i should give this image a whirl? , cause the disk is a 15gig maxtor DMA?

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Once again, if you have a 6.3, try booting from the cdrom, it *should* work.

i only have a 6.0, all other installs since i have done with ftp. what does a 6.4 cost in the german market and could i get a student rebate As i asked before, would a faulty disk make rawrite complain? should i try scandisk w/ surface scan on the floppy before using rawrite?

thank you,

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Philipp

-- Philipp Thomas Development, SuSE GmbH, Schanzaecker Str. 10, D-90443 Nuremberg, Germany

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yatsenng＠casema.net

18 Apr 18 Apr

11:06

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My friend with the athlon is now enjoying linux, but has another prob. i'll make a seperate post for this for the impatient: X eats up between 80 and 104% !! of the Ram while running.

How much ram does he haev and is he running KDE? -- Yatsen Ng Den Haag, The Netherlands yatsenng@casema.net It said "Needs Windows 95 or better". So I installed Linux... -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

pthomas＠suse.de

16 Apr 16 Apr

16:24

* Robert Alexander Stragies (rost0005@stud.uni-sb.de) [20000416 17:36]:

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Booting the athlon image from the 6.2 update folder was unsuccessfull too.

In what way? Please be specific, as otherwise we won't be able to help you.

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ok , i know there was a thread about this, but a search for "athlon+bootdisk" at geocrawler was unsuccessfull...

At least booting an Athlon system from 6.3 CDROM works flawlessly, as I did check that. It should also work with the normal 6.3 boot floppy. Philipp -- Philipp Thomas Development, SuSE GmbH, Schanzaecker Str. 10, D-90443 Nuremberg, Germany #define NINODE 50 /* number of in core inodes */ #define NPROC 30 /* max number of processes */ -- Version 7 UNIX fuer PDP 11, /usr/include/sys/param.h -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

rost0005＠stud.uni-sb.de

16:32

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At least booting an Athlon system from 6.3 CDROM works flawlessly, as I did check that. It should also work with the normal 6.3 boot floppy. which one, the bootdisk image or the eide image? as i said the 6.3 bootdisk floppy wont boot, quiting with "boot failed, change disk". Could that be a sign of a faulty disk, because the disks used might have been slightly old. And, rawrite did not complain do i have to use rawrite3.exe or can i still use rawrite.exe tell me what other info you need to diagnose, and i'll repost.

thanks already,

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Philipp

-- Philipp Thomas Development, SuSE GmbH, Schanzaecker Str. 10, D-90443 Nuremberg, Germany

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pthomas＠suse.de

16:44

* Robert Alexander Stragies (rost0005@stud.uni-sb.de) [20000416 18:33]:

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as i said the 6.3 bootdisk floppy wont boot, quiting with "boot failed, change disk". Could that be a sign of a faulty disk,

Yes, could be. But it could also be a sign of differently aligned read/write heads in the floppy drives. These heads get misaligned with time (allthough only slightly) and sometimes you have floppy drives, where the heads are both misaligned in way that floppies written on one drive can't be read on the other. First thing to check is if the computer, on which you wrote the floppy is able to boot from it. If it is, I'd try a fresh floppy. Version of rawrite shouldn't matter in these cases. But why use floppies? The FIC board should be perfectly capable of booting directly from CD. Philipp -- Philipp Thomas Development, SuSE GmbH, Schanzaecker Str. 10, D-90443 Nuremberg, Germany #define NINODE 50 /* number of in core inodes */ #define NPROC 30 /* max number of processes */ -- Version 7 UNIX fuer PDP 11, /usr/include/sys/param.h -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

yatsenng＠casema.net

17 Apr 17 Apr

00:35

Hi Robert, You'l find everything you need right here: http://sdb.suse.de/sdb/en/html/snbarth_athlon.html

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Hi all,

I am persuading a friend of mine (windows-poweruser) to migrate to linux. I am successfull in this since he sees my system every day. BUT, my attempts at installing suse were futile up to now.. We tried: Booting the suse6.2 cd, went fine until the mtrr's were used or initialised, then loads of hex and a hung system. Booting the 6.3 standard bootdisk, was replied by "Invalid boot image, please change disk" Booting the athlon image from the 6.2 update folder was unsuccessfull too.

ok , i know there was a thread about this, but a search for "athlon+bootdisk" at geocrawler was unsuccessfull...

-- Yatsen Ng Den Haag, The Netherlands yatsenng@casema.net It said "Needs Windows 95 or better". So I installed Linux... -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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