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Allen

29 Mar 2006 29 Mar '06

18:26

This was sent to me off list, I have no idea why. On Wednesday 29 March 2006 6:08 am, you wrote:

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On 3/28/06, Allen wrote:

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That's the scarey part.

Now you are getting the implications of Novell's new SUSE strategy.

After all these years? WTF are you talking about? I wasn't eh one saying

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KDE was gone or not useable anymore....

Foul langauge ambly emphazies your shaky position. It is you who has now chanced upon the supriority of Gnome, thus relegating KDE to the second position.

Can you learn how to actually quote? Dam I'm readin half my text with yours. What the HELL are you talking about foul lanaguage and a shaky what?

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May be. But your priorities are changing. That is what the SUSEites are

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worried about.

Mine are changing? Don't think so.

SUSE users will be really glad if it is actually so.

Where in the hell are you getting this from? Novell never said they were

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getting rid of KDE or any other desktop manager, so how would you NOT click on Gnome and hit enter?

See that, it's the mangled left overs of a quote.... We sure got a smart one here.

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Your point - Gnome as default desktop is not a big issue. My point (and many others', as you too pointed out earlier) - KDE - as default desktop is not a big issue. Since we don't differ much, why tinker around with SUSE for no valid reason?

What the hell are you talking about tinkering? The WHOLE thing was about SUSE using Gnome by default, I pint out that was a load and not happening, and you... Are an idiot.

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Actually it does as Slackware was what SUSE started with, so it would still

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be on topic. And I've never heard one person complain about how Slackware is made. And being made by one person.... Whatever man.

Not whatever man, Allen. The Man. * *From http://www.slackware.com/about/* *"Patrick Volkerding * *Also known to many as The Man. Without Patrick, there would be no Slackware. He has worked for many years and continues to work on this popular and extremely stable distribution."

See http://www.slackware-advocacy.org/whyuse.html

"Slackware is maintained by a single person, Patrick Volkerding, who aims at delivering a stable, reliable, and trustworthy operating system. Patrick pays special attention to stability because an unstable system can neither be trusted nor relied upon. For this reason, every version of Slackware incorporates only the most stable, mature software packages available at the time of its release."

He's also one of my friends. What's your point?

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Harikrishnan T

30 Mar 30 Mar

06:51

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

On 3/29/06, Allen wrote:

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This was sent to me off list, I have no idea why.

Sorry for that. I have forwarded the orginal post to the list On Wednesday 29 March 2006 6:08 am, you wrote:

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On 3/28/06, Allen wrote:

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That's the scarey part.

Now you are getting the implications of Novell's new SUSE strategy.

After all these years? WTF are you talking about? I wasn't eh one saying

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KDE was gone or not useable anymore....

Foul langauge ambly emphazies your shaky position. It is you who has now chanced upon the supriority of Gnome, thus relegating KDE to the second position.

Can you learn how to actually quote? Dam I'm readin half my text with yours. What the HELL are you talking about foul lanaguage and a shaky what?

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May be. But your priorities are changing. That is what the SUSEites

are

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worried about.

Mine are changing? Don't think so.

SUSE users will be really glad if it is actually so.

Where in the hell are you getting this from? Novell never said they were

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getting rid of KDE or any other desktop manager, so how would you NOT click on Gnome and hit enter?

See that, it's the mangled left overs of a quote.... We sure got a smart one here.

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Your point - Gnome as default desktop is not a big issue. My point (and many others', as you too pointed out earlier) - KDE - as default desktop

is

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not a big issue. Since we don't differ much, why tinker around with SUSE for no valid reason?

What the hell are you talking about tinkering? The WHOLE thing was about SUSE using Gnome by default, I pint out that was a load and not happening, and you... Are an idiot.

Your language and tone of this post as well the previous ones are proof of your attitude towards the genuine concerns of all SUSE users regrading the directions that Novell has presently charted for SUSE. I will overlook all this. Since I have accidentally sent this post to you, and have since then posted in the list, let others also see. Meanwhile let us not make it a slinging match between two of us. This discussion is started by a SUSE user looking for alternatives, because he is not sure of the future of SUSE. He thinks that SUSE Pro is going to die and we will be left with another Fedora like entity in OpenSUSE. There is no hard evidence that this is going to happen. Or is it there? But let us study the signs of times: 1. Novell is loosing money. This, in spite of having *the best* Linux distro to sell. Their nearest competitor is making money and holding on to 80% of the market with one of the most lousiest distros. 2. SUSE co-founders and lead developers are leaving Novell in hordes. One of them left yesterday. Some of them have criticized Novell for mishandling SUSE. 3. Novel decides to make Gnome the default desktop. They say it only for the Enterprise version. Not for SUSE Pro. This astonishes us. Something that is good for your Enterprise version, but not good enough for Pro? We always thought SUSE Pro and SLES were the same product with different support bundles. Now they will have different philosophies too. 4. Novell claims that making Gnome default is not a big issue as it is made out. KDE will also be there. You can always have KDE if you want by just one click (or a few clicks, whatever it is). Sure it is so. But why change at all? Give us 10 good reasons for making Gnome the default desktop on SLES. 5. Novell, when they decided to make money with Linux acquired a) SUSE and b) Ximian. Ximian people are also lead Gnome developers (it is widely believed, correct me if I am wrong). SUSE has always been KDE centric – both pro and SLES. Therefore this recent shift in SLES default is believed to be the influence of Ximian developers. SUSE users have nothing against Gnome. Many actually use Gnome only. But when outsiders start making subtle changes to SUSE – starting with SLES, of course - we have to be wary. In future will SUSE be there at all? (This was the point made in the first post in this thread). Are you going change SUSE so that it will start resembling your main competitor (which we all dislike)? Etc, etc. Who is going to assure us this, now that most of the SUSE founders and lead developers have not with Novell any more? Our concerns are real, just as the that of SUSE user who had initiated this discussion. Let someone from Novell's SUSE division come out and address these concerns. Otherwise it will be SUSE users turn their back to Novell, like what SUSE founders and developers are doing today. Bye -- One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men. No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man. -- Elbert Hubbard

Kevanf1

09:06

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

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After all these years? WTF are you talking about? I wasn't eh one saying

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KDE was gone or not useable anymore....

Foul langauge ambly emphazies your shaky position. It is you who has now chanced upon the supriority of Gnome, thus relegating KDE to the second position.

Can you learn how to actually quote? Dam I'm readin half my text with yours. What the HELL are you talking about foul lanaguage and a shaky what?

Erm, the foul language bit is above: the term 'WTF' means 'What The F**k'. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Xmas may be over but, PLEASE DON'T drink and drive you'll make it to the next one that way. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

Allen

31 Mar 31 Mar

08:07

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

On Thursday 30 March 2006 4:06 am, Kevanf1 wrote:

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After all these years? WTF are you talking about? I wasn't eh one

saying

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KDE was gone or not useable anymore....

Foul langauge ambly emphazies your shaky position. It is you who has now chanced upon the supriority of Gnome, thus relegating KDE to the second position.

Can you learn how to actually quote? Dam I'm readin half my text with yours. What the HELL are you talking about foul lanaguage and a shaky what?

Erm, the foul language bit is above:

the term 'WTF' means 'What The F**k'.

And as far as you know I meant What The Freak, What The Fudge... Eye of the beholder. And we alread went over people being offended. And that huge ass thread, which lasted far to long, showed me one thing: It's not OK to offend anyone, it's only OK for everyone else to offend you. A lot of things were said that offended me terribly, and hardly anyone cared at all. So if fuck annoys you or makes you think it's naughty, might I suggest Windows where freedom of speech wasn't the basis of what started it? Try this on a bash prompt after installing bsd-games: wtf is wtf Hit Enter

Kevanf1

10:04

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

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Erm, the foul language bit is above:

the term 'WTF' means 'What The F**k'.

And as far as you know I meant What The Freak, What The Fudge... Eye of the beholder. And we alread went over people being offended. And that huge ass thread, which lasted far to long, showed me one thing:

Very true, unfortunately, general terminology states that the letters WTF stand for what I hinted at. Or do you believe that you can create your own language and have everybody miraculously know what you mean?

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It's not OK to offend anyone, it's only OK for everyone else to offend you. A lot of things were said that offended me terribly, and hardly anyone cared at all. So if fuck annoys you or makes you think it's naughty, might I suggest Windows where freedom of speech wasn't the basis of what started it?

Then you go and spoil things by swearing gratuitously. Yes, that word does upset me. I feel that it is used way too much in so called polite and civilized society. Why should I go to Windows? I already use Windows when it suits me, what does it have to do with anything?

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Try this on a bash prompt after installing bsd-games:

wtf is wtf

Hit Enter

Why should I? It has nothing to do with the above other than you trying to squirm out of a situation that somebody has taken umbrage with. For the record, I have worked in many manual labouring jobs during my life. I have heard extremely foul and coarse language in my time and even used it myself. It doesn't mean that it is right, it doesn't mean that it is clever. It is IMHO a rather lazy way of insulting people including the user. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Xmas may be over but, PLEASE DON'T drink and drive you'll make it to the next one that way. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

Allen

10:17

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

On Friday 31 March 2006 5:04 am, Kevanf1 wrote:

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Erm, the foul language bit is above:

the term 'WTF' means 'What The F**k'.

And as far as you know I meant What The Freak, What The Fudge... Eye of the beholder. And we alread went over people being offended. And that huge ass thread, which lasted far to long, showed me one thing:

Very true, unfortunately, general terminology states that the letters WTF stand for what I hinted at. Or do you believe that you can create your own language and have everybody miraculously know what you mean?

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It's not OK to offend anyone, it's only OK for everyone else to offend you. A lot of things were said that offended me terribly, and hardly anyone cared at all. So if fuck annoys you or makes you think it's naughty, might I suggest Windows where freedom of speech wasn't the basis of what started it?

Then you go and spoil things by swearing gratuitously. Yes, that word does upset me. I feel that it is used way too much in so called polite and civilized society. Why should I go to Windows? I already use Windows when it suits me, what does it have to do with anything?

FUCK is the basis that is GCC (Gnu C Compiler) it's what Stallman was going to use as the base. It's "Free University Compiler Kit"... Again the sarcasm rings like a bell.

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Try this on a bash prompt after installing bsd-games:

wtf is wtf

Hit Enter

Why should I? It has nothing to do with the above other than you trying to squirm out of a situation that somebody has taken umbrage with.

I'm not trying to do shit it's 5 in the morning and I'm sitting here responding to mails when someone was "offended" by a word that appears in the Dictionary. And don't go grab some college one either, I mean the REAL dictionary. But out of curiosity, what was I trying to "squirm" out of?

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For the record, I have worked in many manual labouring jobs during my life. I have heard extremely foul and coarse language in my time and even used it myself. It doesn't mean that it is right, it doesn't mean that it is clever. It is IMHO a rather lazy way of insulting people including the user.

So you used it but you're offended when I do? Another double standard. "When I say it it's because I'm stressed out or because it was maybe called for but when anyone else does it's foul".... Get real. Might I suggest you save up some cash and buy a personality?

Kevanf1

18:10

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

On 31/03/06, Allen wrote:

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On Friday 31 March 2006 5:04 am, Kevanf1 wrote:

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Erm, the foul language bit is above:

the term 'WTF' means 'What The F**k'.

And as far as you know I meant What The Freak, What The Fudge... Eye of the beholder. And we alread went over people being offended. And that huge ass thread, which lasted far to long, showed me one thing:

Very true, unfortunately, general terminology states that the letters WTF stand for what I hinted at. Or do you believe that you can create your own language and have everybody miraculously know what you mean?

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It's not OK to offend anyone, it's only OK for everyone else to offend you. A lot of things were said that offended me terribly, and hardly anyone cared at all. So if fuck annoys you or makes you think it's naughty, might I suggest Windows where freedom of speech wasn't the basis of what started it?

Then you go and spoil things by swearing gratuitously. Yes, that word does upset me. I feel that it is used way too much in so called polite and civilized society. Why should I go to Windows? I already use Windows when it suits me, what does it have to do with anything?

FUCK is the basis that is GCC (Gnu C Compiler) it's what Stallman was going to use as the base. It's "Free University Compiler Kit"... Again the sarcasm rings like a bell.

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Try this on a bash prompt after installing bsd-games:

wtf is wtf

Hit Enter

Why should I? It has nothing to do with the above other than you trying to squirm out of a situation that somebody has taken umbrage with.

I'm not trying to do shit it's 5 in the morning and I'm sitting here responding to mails when someone was "offended" by a word that appears in the Dictionary.

And don't go grab some college one either, I mean the REAL dictionary. But out of curiosity, what was I trying to "squirm" out of?

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For the record, I have worked in many manual labouring jobs during my life. I have heard extremely foul and coarse language in my time and even used it myself. It doesn't mean that it is right, it doesn't mean that it is clever. It is IMHO a rather lazy way of insulting people including the user.

So you used it but you're offended when I do? Another double standard. "When I say it it's because I'm stressed out or because it was maybe called for but when anyone else does it's foul".... Get real.

Might I suggest you save up some cash and buy a personality?

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Your response is roughly what I expected. I shall no longer make any more additions to this forking of the original thread as it is pointless. I have no wish to fall out with anybody least of all you, Allen. We have opposing views that's how it will be, I've said it many times in the past that we are all human and all different.. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Xmas may be over but, PLEASE DON'T drink and drive you'll make it to the next one that way. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

Ken Schneider

30 Mar 30 Mar

15:05

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 12:21 +0530, Harikrishnan T wrote:

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Foul langauge ambly emphazies your shaky position. It is you who has now

Foul language has never been acceptable on this list.

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But let us study the signs of times:

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Novell is loosing money. This, in spite of having *the best* Linux distro to sell. Their nearest competitor is making money and holding on to 80% of the market with one of the most lousiest distros. 2.

SUSE co-founders and lead developers are leaving Novell in hordes. One of them left yesterday. Some of them have criticized Novell for mishandling SUSE. 3.

Novel decides to make Gnome the default desktop. They say it only for the Enterprise version. Not for SUSE Pro. This astonishes us. Something that is good for your Enterprise version, but not good enough for Pro? We always thought SUSE Pro and SLES were the same product with different support bundles. Now they will have different philosophies too.

SLES = Suse Linux Enterprise Server - The server product NLD = Novell Linux Desttop - The desktop product, the one that is having Gnome as the default desktop. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

Harikrishnan T

31 Mar 31 Mar

08:45

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

On 3/30/06, Ken Schneider wrote:

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On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 12:21 +0530, Harikrishnan T wrote:

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But let us study the signs of times:

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1.

Novell is loosing money. This, in spite of having *the best* Linux distro to sell. Their nearest competitor is making money and holding

on to

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80% of the market with one of the most lousiest distros. 2.

SUSE co-founders and lead developers are leaving Novell in hordes. One of them left yesterday. Some of them have criticized Novell for mishandling SUSE. 3.

Novel decides to make Gnome the default desktop. They say it only for the Enterprise version. Not for SUSE Pro. This astonishes us. Something that is good for your Enterprise version, but not good enough for Pro? We always thought SUSE Pro and SLES were the same product with different support bundles. Now they will have different philosophies too.

SLES = Suse Linux Enterprise Server - The server product

NLD = Novell Linux Desttop - The desktop product, the one that is having Gnome as the default desktop.

Confusion reigns. Some bits from Novell PR Blog "There has been a lot of debate over the last few days in the media and on message boards about what is happening regarding GNOME vs. KDE at Novell. Here's the situation. All future enterprise-class Linux product releases, including Novell Linux Desktop, SUSE Linux Enterprise Server and Novell Open Enterprise Server, will continue to ship with both the GNOME and KDE desktop environments. In upcoming versions of Novell enterprise applications, the default desktop environment will be GNOME. When customers install Novell Linux products, they will be given the option to choose either the GNOME or KDE environment during the installation process. If the user makes no explicit choice, GNOME will be installed." See http://www.novell.com/prblogs/index.php?title=kde_and_gnome&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 SLES = Suse Linux Enterprise Server - The server product - Gnome default. NLD = Novell Linux Desttop - The desktop product - Gnome default. SUSE Pro/Open SUSE - Desktop product - ??????? Default Again from Novell PR Blog (same URL) "This decision has very little impact on either the openSUSE project or future versions of SUSE Linux. SUSE Linux will continue to showcase the newest open source desktop, development, and server technologies in a complete, stabilized operating system. SUSE Linux will continue to deliver both the GNOME and the KDE desktop environments along with the latest open source packages for those environments." No mention of the default. Bye -- One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men. No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man. -- Elbert Hubbard

Allen

10:12

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

On Friday 31 March 2006 3:45 am, Harikrishnan T wrote:

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On 3/30/06, Ken Schneider wrote:

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On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 12:21 +0530, Harikrishnan T wrote:

But let us study the signs of times:

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1.

Novell is loosing money. This, in spite of having *the best* Linux distro to sell. Their nearest competitor is making money and holding

on to

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80% of the market with one of the most lousiest distros. 2.

SUSE co-founders and lead developers are leaving Novell in hordes.

One

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of them left yesterday. Some of them have criticized Novell for

mishandling

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SUSE. 3.

Novel decides to make Gnome the default desktop. They say it only for the Enterprise version. Not for SUSE Pro. This astonishes us.

Something that

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is good for your Enterprise version, but not good enough for Pro? We

always

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thought SUSE Pro and SLES were the same product with different

support

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bundles. Now they will have different philosophies too.

SLES = Suse Linux Enterprise Server - The server product

NLD = Novell Linux Desttop - The desktop product, the one that is having Gnome as the default desktop.

Confusion reigns. Some bits from Novell PR Blog

"There has been a lot of debate over the last few days in the media and on message boards about what is happening regarding GNOME vs. KDE at Novell. Here's the situation. All future enterprise-class Linux product releases, including Novell Linux Desktop, SUSE Linux Enterprise Server and Novell Open Enterprise Server, will continue to ship with both the GNOME and KDE desktop environments. In upcoming versions of Novell enterprise applications, the default desktop environment will be GNOME. When customers install Novell Linux products, they will be given the option to choose either the GNOME or KDE environment during the installation process. If the user makes no explicit choice, GNOME will be installed."

See http://www.novell.com/prblogs/index.php?title=kde_and_gnome&more=1&c=1&tb=1 &pb=1

SLES = Suse Linux Enterprise Server - The server product - Gnome default.

NLD = Novell Linux Desttop - The desktop product - Gnome default.

SUSE Pro/Open SUSE - Desktop product - ??????? Default

Again from Novell PR Blog (same URL)

"This decision has very little impact on either the openSUSE project or future versions of SUSE Linux. SUSE Linux will continue to showcase the newest open source desktop, development, and server technologies in a complete, stabilized operating system. SUSE Linux will continue to deliver both the GNOME and the KDE desktop environments along with the latest open source packages for those environments."

No mention of the default.

Ummm, you just proved my point for me.... That's what I've been saying for.... a week? And let me point it out once more: When you install it you CHOOSE if you want KDE or Gnome. I don't know many installs where someone doesn't pick what they want. and if you install both.... You'd select one from the dropdown menu before logging in. Just like before, the only difference is if you DON'T choose one it logs you into GNOME instead. That's the ONLY difference.

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Bye

-- One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men. No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man. -- Elbert Hubbard

Allen

08:21

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

Dear God above...Either your mail client has something wrong with it or you're one confusing person...

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Your language and tone of this post as well the previous ones are proof of your attitude towards the genuine concerns of all SUSE users regrading the directions that Novell has presently charted for SUSE.

What are you talking about?? This is beyond annoying, it's beyond irritating, I replied pointing out the damn horse was dead and to stop kicking it, the thing about Gnome being default was for Enterprise ONLY, not the stuff you buy at a store or use at home, and that they ditched it because we all went nuts. How did it go from that to whatever it is you're talking about here? I DON'T CARE WHAT NOVELL HAS PLANNED AND I HAVEN'T SAID A WORD ABOUT THE SUSE COMMUNITY... WHERE are you GETTING this?

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I will overlook all this. Since I have accidentally sent this post to you, and have since then posted in the list, let others also see. Meanwhile let us not make it a slinging match between two of us.

???? Slinging what? You reply to everything I say with something that has NOTHING to do with what I said.... How about instead of replying to what I'm saying now on some weird crap that's never been brought up in the first place you reply to what was actually said?

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This discussion is started by a SUSE user looking for alternatives, because he is not sure of the future of SUSE. He thinks that SUSE Pro is going to die and we will be left with another Fedora like entity in OpenSUSE. There is no hard evidence that this is going to happen. Or is it there?

Professional died at 9.3 and Fedora is CRAP. And if you are looking for something else why are you asking on a SUSE List in the first place? GO TO DISTRO WATCH AND FIND SOMETHING YOU LIKE and confuse THEIR lists.

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But let us study the signs of times:

1.

Novell is loosing money. This, in spite of having *the best* Linux distro to sell. Their nearest competitor is making money and holding on to 80% of the market with one of the most lousiest distros.

Novell isn't charging through the ass like RedHat is either. Maybe that's why?

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SUSE co-founders and lead developers are leaving Novell in hordes. One of them left yesterday. Some of them have criticized Novell for mishandling SUSE.

What is your point? What does this have to do with a product? If Bill Gates left Microsoft do you honestly think it would change anything?

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3.

Novel decides to make Gnome the default desktop. They say it only for the Enterprise version. Not for SUSE Pro. This astonishes us. Something that is good for your Enterprise version, but not good enough for Pro? We always thought SUSE Pro and SLES were the same product with different support bundles. Now they will have different philosophies too.

Holy God above.... You're either incredibly stoned or REALLY stupid. Something good for enterprise but not home? THEY BOTH COME WITH GNOME AND KDE MAN..... Good Lord I don't think I've ever had someone that's made me want to strangle them more.... Seriously, don't reply to me anymore, I don't know what you're talking about or what portion of your ass you dug this up from and for the 1,000,000,000,000th time, THEY DECIDED AGAINST THAT CHOICE WHEN WE ALL CRIED LIKE BABYS AND EITHER WAY, GNOME AND KDE ARE BOTH THERE. Can you read aloud what I just typed? They ARE BOTH THERE, KDE, GNOME, BOTH OF THEM....

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Novell claims that making Gnome default is not a big issue as it is made out. KDE will also be there. You can always have KDE if you want by just one click (or a few clicks, whatever it is). Sure it is so. But why change at all? Give us 10 good reasons for making Gnome the default desktop on SLES.

.... You have to be kidding me... MY FIRST POST SAID THAT....

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Novell, when they decided to make money with Linux acquired a) SUSE and b) Ximian. Ximian people are also lead Gnome developers (it is widely believed, correct me if I am wrong). SUSE has always been KDE centric – both pro and SLES. Therefore this recent shift in SLES default is believed to be the influence of Ximian developers. SUSE users have nothing against Gnome. Many actually use Gnome only. But when outsiders start making subtle changes to SUSE – starting with SLES, of course - we have to be wary. In future will SUSE be there at all? (This was the point made in the first post in this thread). Are you going change SUSE so that it will start resembling your main competitor (which we all dislike)? Etc, etc. Who is going to assure us this, now that most of the SUSE founders and lead developers have not with Novell any more?

I'm not replying to all this, you have got to be on LSD.

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Our concerns are real, just as the that of SUSE user who had initiated this discussion. Let someone from Novell's SUSE division come out and address these concerns. Otherwise it will be SUSE users turn their back to Novell, like what SUSE founders and developers are doing toda> y.

OUR??? ... Oh.... It makes sense now... You're Skitzo... Whew, thought for a minute there you were normal and just incredibly dim. Now, I'm going outside and smoking, because I'm about to choke someone. It REALLY bothers me when peopel can reply with..... I'm going outside, if ANYONE here can figure out how the hell he managed to hop around from topic to topic and saying he represents "us" and "our concerns" and not only that but take words I said in my FIRST reply and repost them as his own when he not even a week ago said the opposite....

Per Qvindesland

08:32

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

Hmm someone stepped in a big pile of pooh :) Allen wrote:

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Dear God above...Either your mail client has something wrong with it or you're one confusing person...

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Your language and tone of this post as well the previous ones are proof of your attitude towards the genuine concerns of all SUSE users regrading the directions that Novell has presently charted for SUSE.

What are you talking about?? This is beyond annoying, it's beyond irritating, I replied pointing out the damn horse was dead and to stop kicking it, the thing about Gnome being default was for Enterprise ONLY, not the stuff you buy at a store or use at home, and that they ditched it because we all went nuts.

How did it go from that to whatever it is you're talking about here? I DON'T CARE WHAT NOVELL HAS PLANNED AND I HAVEN'T SAID A WORD ABOUT THE SUSE COMMUNITY... WHERE are you GETTING this?

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I will overlook all this. Since I have accidentally sent this post to you, and have since then posted in the list, let others also see. Meanwhile let us not make it a slinging match between two of us.

???? Slinging what? You reply to everything I say with something that has NOTHING to do with what I said.... How about instead of replying to what I'm saying now on some weird crap that's never been brought up in the first place you reply to what was actually said?

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This discussion is started by a SUSE user looking for alternatives, because he is not sure of the future of SUSE. He thinks that SUSE Pro is going to die and we will be left with another Fedora like entity in OpenSUSE. There is no hard evidence that this is going to happen. Or is it there?

Professional died at 9.3 and Fedora is CRAP. And if you are looking for something else why are you asking on a SUSE List in the first place? GO TO DISTRO WATCH AND FIND SOMETHING YOU LIKE and confuse THEIR lists.

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But let us study the signs of times:

1.

Novell is loosing money. This, in spite of having *the best* Linux distro to sell. Their nearest competitor is making money and holding on to 80% of the market with one of the most lousiest distros.

Novell isn't charging through the ass like RedHat is either. Maybe that's why?

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2.

SUSE co-founders and lead developers are leaving Novell in hordes. One of them left yesterday. Some of them have criticized Novell for mishandling SUSE.

What is your point? What does this have to do with a product? If Bill Gates left Microsoft do you honestly think it would change anything?

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3.

Novel decides to make Gnome the default desktop. They say it only for the Enterprise version. Not for SUSE Pro. This astonishes us. Something that is good for your Enterprise version, but not good enough for Pro? We always thought SUSE Pro and SLES were the same product with different support bundles. Now they will have different philosophies too.

Holy God above.... You're either incredibly stoned or REALLY stupid. Something good for enterprise but not home? THEY BOTH COME WITH GNOME AND KDE MAN..... Good Lord I don't think I've ever had someone that's made me want to strangle them more....

Seriously, don't reply to me anymore, I don't know what you're talking about or what portion of your ass you dug this up from and for the 1,000,000,000,000th time, THEY DECIDED AGAINST THAT CHOICE WHEN WE ALL CRIED LIKE BABYS AND EITHER WAY, GNOME AND KDE ARE BOTH THERE. Can you read aloud what I just typed? They ARE BOTH THERE, KDE, GNOME, BOTH OF THEM....

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4.

Novell claims that making Gnome default is not a big issue as it is made out. KDE will also be there. You can always have KDE if you want by just one click (or a few clicks, whatever it is). Sure it is so. But why change at all? Give us 10 good reasons for making Gnome the default desktop on SLES.

.... You have to be kidding me... MY FIRST POST SAID THAT....

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5.

Novell, when they decided to make money with Linux acquired a) SUSE and b) Ximian. Ximian people are also lead Gnome developers (it is widely believed, correct me if I am wrong). SUSE has always been KDE centric – both pro and SLES. Therefore this recent shift in SLES default is believed to be the influence of Ximian developers. SUSE users have nothing against Gnome. Many actually use Gnome only. But when outsiders start making subtle changes to SUSE – starting with SLES, of course - we have to be wary. In future will SUSE be there at all? (This was the point made in the first post in this thread). Are you going change SUSE so that it will start resembling your main competitor (which we all dislike)? Etc, etc. Who is going to assure us this, now that most of the SUSE founders and lead developers have not with Novell any more?

I'm not replying to all this, you have got to be on LSD.

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Our concerns are real, just as the that of SUSE user who had initiated this discussion. Let someone from Novell's SUSE division come out and address these concerns. Otherwise it will be SUSE users turn their back to Novell, like what SUSE founders and developers are doing toda> y.

OUR??? ... Oh.... It makes sense now... You're Skitzo... Whew, thought for a minute there you were normal and just incredibly dim.

Now, I'm going outside and smoking, because I'm about to choke someone. It REALLY bothers me when peopel can reply with..... I'm going outside, if ANYONE here can figure out how the hell he managed to hop around from topic to topic and saying he represents "us" and "our concerns" and not only that but take words I said in my FIRST reply and repost them as his own when he not even a week ago said the opposite....

Hylton Conacher(ZR1HPC)

1 Apr 1 Apr

18:57

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

Allen wrote:

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This was sent to me off list, I have no idea why. Probably had something to do with how this list is setup, hey Patrick :) Wonder if he has an 'approved' email client?

<snip>

Allen

2 Apr 2 Apr

09:46

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

On Saturday 01 April 2006 1:57 pm, Hylton Conacher(ZR1HPC) wrote:

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Allen wrote:

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This was sent to me off list, I have no idea why.

Probably had something to do with how this list is setup, hey Patrick :) Wonder if he has an 'approved' email client?

<snip>

You're using MozMail and talking about approved clients? I use Kmail for the few people who send me things where I HAVE to be able to click on things, and Mutt as my main client.

Patrick Shanahan

13:53

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

* Hylton Conacher(ZR1HPC) [04-02-06 04:39]:

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Allen wrote:

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This was sent to me off list, I have no idea why. Probably had something to do with how this list is setup, hey Patrick :) Wonder if he has an 'approved' email client?

more likely: the user does not understand the operation of his email client. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

ken

3 Apr 3 Apr

12:28

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Hylton Conacher(ZR1HPC) [04-02-06 04:39]:

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Allen wrote:

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This was sent to me off list, I have no idea why. Probably had something to do with how this list is setup, hey Patrick :) Wonder if he has an 'approved' email client?

more likely: the user does not understand the operation of his email client.

Right! Someone should explain to these noobs that replies shouldn't be sent to whatever happens to be in the Reply-to field. -- "This world ain't big enough for the both of us," said the big noema to the little noema.

Patrick Shanahan

13:35

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* ken [04-03-06 08:28]:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Hylton Conacher(ZR1HPC) [04-02-06 04:39]:

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Allen wrote:

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This was sent to me off list, I have no idea why. Probably had something to do with how this list is setup, hey Patrick :) Wonder if he has an 'approved' email client?

more likely: the user does not understand the operation of his email client.

Right! Someone should explain to these noobs that replies shouldn't be sent to whatever happens to be in the Reply-to field.

As you appear to be one: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:28:15 -0400 From: ken To: Patrick Shanahan , Suse Linux English Subject: Re: [SLE] Which Linux? Please, when replying to list posts unless specifically requested otherwise, reply *only* to the list, KEN. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

ken

15:05

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* ken [04-03-06 08:28]:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Hylton Conacher(ZR1HPC) [04-02-06 04:39]:

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Allen wrote:

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This was sent to me off list, I have no idea why. Probably had something to do with how this list is setup, hey Patrick :) Wonder if he has an 'approved' email client? more likely: the user does not understand the operation of his email client. Right! Someone should explain to these noobs that replies shouldn't be sent to whatever happens to be in the Reply-to field.

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Please, when replying to list posts unless specifically requested otherwise, reply *only* to the list, KEN.

But you did specifically request a reply to your address! Your address was in the Reply-to field, after all. If you want people to reply to some other address, why don't you simply put that address in your Reply-to field? Isn't that what it's there for? That's what I've always used it for. Perhaps I could explain this. For example, if I'm changing to a new email address, I can transition my addressees to my new email address by putting it into the Reply-to field. Or, if I want a reply to go a some other of my several email addresses, I can specify that into my Reply-to field. If I want replies to go to a mailing list, then I can put the list's email address into the Reply-to field. In short, the Reply-to field is for explicitly specifying where you want replies to be sent. That might seem somewhat complicated, but that's just how the protocol works and I'm afraid we're all going to have to live with it. But I've been doing it that way since about 1982 (so, yeah, I'm still a noob to some folks) and nobody's complained so far... well, not until just recently, and then just a couple folks. Maybe someday there'll be another, separate mail protocol for exchanging mail the way you think is "proper"... we could call it the PSMTP. :) Until then, we just have to configure things to follow existing standards. -- "This world ain't big enough for the both of us," said the big noema to the little noema.

Randall R Schulz

15:24

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Ken, On Monday 03 April 2006 08:05, ken wrote:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote: ...

But you did specifically request a reply to your address! Your address was in the Reply-to field, after all. If you want people to reply to some other address, why don't you simply put that address in your Reply-to field? Isn't that what it's there for? That's what I've always used it for.

Your mailer is hallucinating. There was no Reply-To field in Patrick's message.

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Randall Schulz

ken

15:35

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Ken,

On Monday 03 April 2006 08:05, ken wrote:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote: ...

But you did specifically request a reply to your address! Your address was in the Reply-to field, after all. If you want people to reply to some other address, why don't you simply put that address in your Reply-to field? Isn't that what it's there for? That's what I've always used it for.

Your mailer is hallucinating. There was no Reply-To field in Patrick's message.

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Randall Schulz

No, my mailer isn't hallucinating. Because I wanted replies to my post to go to the list, I put the list address in the Reply-to field. (Makes sense, yes?) The list server must have removed it. -- "This world ain't big enough for the both of us," said the big noema to the little noema.

Randall R Schulz

15:44

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

Ken, On Monday 03 April 2006 08:35, ken wrote:

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Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Ken,

On Monday 03 April 2006 08:05, ken wrote:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote: ...

But you did specifically request a reply to your address! Your address was in the Reply-to field, after all. If you want people to reply to some other address, why don't you simply put that address in your Reply-to field? Isn't that what it's there for? That's what I've always used it for.

Your mailer is hallucinating. There was no Reply-To field in Patrick's message.

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Randall Schulz

No, my mailer isn't hallucinating. Because I wanted replies to my post to go to the list, I put the list address in the Reply-to field. (Makes sense, yes?) The list server must have removed it.

You claimed that Patrick's mail had a Reply-To, which it does not. I obviously haven't checked them all, but I'm pretty sure none of Patrick's list postings have a Reply-To header. Randall Schulz

ken

17:40

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Ken,

On Monday 03 April 2006 08:35, ken wrote:

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Ken,

On Monday 03 April 2006 08:05, ken wrote:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote: ...

But you did specifically request a reply to your address! Your address was in the Reply-to field, after all. If you want people to reply to some other address, why don't you simply put that address in your Reply-to field? Isn't that what it's there for? That's what I've always used it for. Your mailer is hallucinating. There was no Reply-To field in Patrick's message.

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... Randall Schulz No, my mailer isn't hallucinating. Because I wanted replies to my

Randall R Schulz wrote: post to go to the list, I put the list address in the Reply-to field. (Makes sense, yes?) The list server must have removed it.

You claimed that Patrick's mail had a Reply-To, which it does not. I obviously haven't checked them all, but I'm pretty sure none of Patrick's list postings have a Reply-To header.

Randall Schulz

Thanks, Randall. I was wondering why I started the thread "Why no Reply-to?" Does this (my) email have a Reply-to field in it? -- "This world ain't big enough for the both of us," said the big noema to the little noema.

Randall R Schulz

4 Apr 4 Apr

05:51

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

Ken, On Monday 03 April 2006 10:40, ken wrote:

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No, my mailer isn't hallucinating. Because I wanted replies to my post to go to the list, I put the list address in the Reply-to field. (Makes sense, yes?) The list server must have removed it.

You claimed that Patrick's mail had a Reply-To, which it does not. I obviously haven't checked them all, but I'm pretty sure none of Patrick's list postings have a Reply-To header.

Randall Schulz

Thanks, Randall. I was wondering why I started the thread "Why no Reply-to?" Does this (my) email have a Reply-to field in it?

Yes: Reply-To: Suse Linux English Randall Schulz

ken

5 Apr 5 Apr

08:13

New subject: FAQ: Why Reply-to Me? (was Re: [SLE] Which Linux?)

Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Ken,

On Monday 03 April 2006 10:40, ken wrote:

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No, my mailer isn't hallucinating. Because I wanted replies to my post to go to the list, I put the list address in the Reply-to field. (Makes sense, yes?) The list server must have removed it. You claimed that Patrick's mail had a Reply-To, which it does not. I obviously haven't checked them all, but I'm pretty sure none of Patrick's list postings have a Reply-To header.

Randall Schulz Thanks, Randall. I was wondering why I started the thread "Why no Reply-to?" Does this (my) email have a Reply-to field in it?

Yes:

Reply-To: Suse Linux English

Randall Schulz

Thanks much for the reply and confirmation. So it would seem that if I post something to this list and want replies to it to go to the list, all I have to do is include a header which says: Reply-to: Suse Linux English If I don't include this header in my post, then I should fully expect that people will reply to me instead of to the list... and I would really have no grounds for complaining about this to them, no call for asking them, "Why did you reply to me? Please reply to the LIST." This use of Reply-to shouldn't require changing to a different email client or even the reconfiguring of one's current client. Nor does it mandate a change in the way the list server is configured. It simply allows the sender to specify where replies to his or her post should be directed. Yes? -- "This world ain't big enough for the both of us," said the big noema to the little noema.

T. Ribbrock

09:33

New subject: FAQ: Why Reply-to Me? (was Re: [SLE] Which Linux?)

On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 04:13:27AM -0400, ken wrote: [...]

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Thanks much for the reply and confirmation. So it would seem that if I post something to this list and want replies to it to go to the list, all I have to do is include a header which says:

Reply-to: Suse Linux English

If I don't include this header in my post, then I should fully expect that people will reply to me instead of to the list... and I would really have no grounds for complaining about this to them, no call for asking them, "Why did you reply to me? Please reply to the LIST." [...]

Of course you'd be able to tell them that - if they answer to you personally when they actually intended to answer to the list they obvoulsy weren't paying attention to what they were doing or they never bothered to learn how to use their mail program. This is completely independent of the mailing list setup. Cheerio, Thomas

Kevanf1

15:20

New subject: [SLE] Re: FAQ: Why Reply-to Me? (was Re: [SLE] Which Linux?)

On 05/04/06, T. Ribbrock wrote:

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On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 04:13:27AM -0400, ken wrote: [...]

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Thanks much for the reply and confirmation. So it would seem that if I post something to this list and want replies to it to go to the list, all I have to do is include a header which says:

Reply-to: Suse Linux English

If I don't include this header in my post, then I should fully expect that people will reply to me instead of to the list... and I would really have no grounds for complaining about this to them, no call for asking them, "Why did you reply to me? Please reply to the LIST." [...]

Of course you'd be able to tell them that - if they answer to you personally when they actually intended to answer to the list they obvoulsy weren't paying attention to what they were doing or they never bothered to learn how to use their mail program. This is completely independent of the mailing list setup.

Cheerio,

Thomas

Now, if anybody can tell me how to do this in Gmail I will implement it here. I do not think it is possible though. Unless the option is very well hidden :-) -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Xmas may be over but, PLEASE DON'T drink and drive you'll make it to the next one that way. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

jfweber＠gilweber.com

18:20

New subject: [SLE] Re: FAQ: Why Reply-to Me? (was Re: [SLE] Which Linux?)

On Wednesday 05 April 2006 11:20 am, Kevanf1 wrote:

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On 05/04/06, T. Ribbrock wrote:

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On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 04:13:27AM -0400, ken wrote: [...]

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Thanks much for the reply and confirmation. So it would seem that if I post something to this list and want replies to it to go to the list, all I have to do is include a header which says:

Reply-to: Suse Linux English

If I don't include this header in my post, then I should fully expect that people will reply to me instead of to the list... and I would really have no grounds for complaining about this to them, no call for asking them, "Why did you reply to me? Please reply to the LIST."

[...]

Of course you'd be able to tell them that - if they answer to you personally when they actually intended to answer to the list they obvoulsy weren't paying attention to what they were doing or they never bothered to learn how to use their mail program. This is completely independent of the mailing list setup.

Cheerio,

Thomas

Now, if anybody can tell me how to do this in Gmail I will implement it here. I do not think it is possible though. Unless the option is very well hidden :-) In that case, your complaints need to go to Google , no? Since no one at Suse or Novell would have any input into Gmail.

-- j "It's my job to be worried half to death And that's the thing people respect in me" (song lyric)

Steve Jacobs

18:22

New subject: [SLE] Re: FAQ: Why Reply-to Me? (was Re: [SLE] Which Linux?)

On 4/5/06, jfweber@gilweber.com wrote:

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On Wednesday 05 April 2006 11:20 am, Kevanf1 wrote:

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On 05/04/06, T. Ribbrock wrote:

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On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 04:13:27AM -0400, ken wrote: [...]

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Thanks much for the reply and confirmation. So it would seem that if I post something to this list and want replies to it to go to the list, all I have to do is include a header which says:

Reply-to: Suse Linux English

If I don't include this header in my post, then I should fully expect that people will reply to me instead of to the list... and I would really have no grounds for complaining about this to them, no call for asking them, "Why did you reply to me? Please reply to the LIST."

[...]

Of course you'd be able to tell them that - if they answer to you personally when they actually intended to answer to the list they obvoulsy weren't paying attention to what they were doing or they never bothered to learn how to use their mail program. This is completely independent of the mailing list setup.

Cheerio,

Thomas

Now, if anybody can tell me how to do this in Gmail I will implement it here. I do not think it is possible though. Unless the option is very well hidden :-) In that case, your complaints need to go to Google , no? Since no one at Suse or Novell would have any input into Gmail.

-- j "It's my job to be worried half to death And that's the thing people respect in me" (song lyric)

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I've just figured that out myself. From within GMail, go to settings, and add an additional email account. Once that's done (you'll need to verify the account after configuring it), you can edit the default account to "specify a different reply-to address". There, you would enter the additional email address you've added. I can't see a way to set the reply-to field 'on-the-fly', though.

Patrick Shanahan

3 Apr 3 Apr

15:37

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

* ken [04-03-06 11:07]:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Please, when replying to list posts unless specifically requested otherwise, reply *only* to the list, KEN.

But you did specifically request a reply to your address! Your address was in the Reply-to field, after all. If you want people to reply to some other address, why don't you simply put that address in your Reply-to field? Isn't that what it's there for? That's what I've always used it for.

I don't know what you are on but it is very strong. The *complete* header from my post that you refer:

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From ptilopteri@gmail.com Mon Apr 3 09:35:38 2006 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:35:38 -0400 From: Patrick Shanahan To: Suse Linux English Subject: Re: [SLE] Which Linux? Message-ID: <20060403133538.GT3878@wahoo.no-ip.org> Mail-Followup-To: Suse Linux English References: <200603221728.13273.ah@globesafe.com><200603281305.29213.slackwarewolf@comcast.net><460fa09f0603290308v3fdc79d9y4b177a627517911@mail.gmail.com><200603291326.05776.slackwarewolf@comcast.net><442ECD02.9080508@conacher.co.za><20060402135341.GI3878@wahoo.no-ip.org><443114DF.7010406@speakeasy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <443114DF.7010406@speakeasy.net> X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.21-303-default i686 Organization: Ptilopteri in Pandemonium User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Status: RO Content-Length: 1117 Lines: 30

PLEASE indicate the "Reply-To" field. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

ken

17:58

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* ken [04-03-06 11:07]:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Please, when replying to list posts unless specifically requested otherwise, reply *only* to the list, KEN. But you did specifically request a reply to your address! Your address was in the Reply-to field, after all. If you want people to reply to some other address, why don't you simply put that address in your Reply-to field? Isn't that what it's there for? That's what I've always used it for.

I don't know what you are on but it is very strong. The *complete* header from my post that you refer:

From ptilopteri@gmail.com Mon Apr 3 09:35:38 2006 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:35:38 -0400 From: Patrick Shanahan To: Suse Linux English Subject: Re: [SLE] Which Linux? Message-ID: <20060403133538.GT3878@wahoo.no-ip.org> Mail-Followup-To: Suse Linux English References: <200603221728.13273.ah@globesafe.com><200603281305.29213.slackwarewolf@comcast.net><460fa09f0603290308v3fdc79d9y4b177a627517911@mail.gmail.com><200603291326.05776.slackwarewolf@comcast.net><442ECD02.9080508@conacher.co.za><20060402135341.GI3878@wahoo.no-ip.org><443114DF.7010406@speakeasy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <443114DF.7010406@speakeasy.net> X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.21-303-default i686 Organization: Ptilopteri in Pandemonium User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Status: RO Content-Length: 1117 Lines: 30

PLEASE indicate the "Reply-To" field.

Hmmm. Maybe it's really small. No, I think you're right. It's not there. No Reply-to field. Why is that, you suppose? Does my (this) email have one? -- "This world ain't big enough for the both of us," said the big noema to the little noema.

James Wright

18:41

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

ken wrote:

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Hmmm. Maybe it's really small. No, I think you're right. It's not there. No Reply-to field. Why is that, you suppose? Does my (this) email have one? Yes, this list.

James W.

ken

19:32

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

James Wright wrote:

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ken wrote:

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Hmmm. Maybe it's really small. No, I think you're right. It's not there. No Reply-to field. Why is that, you suppose? Does my (this) email have one? Yes, this list.

James W.

Thanks, James. I thought and was hoping this was the case, that the Reply-to remained intact. And when you replied to that (my) email, did you have to do anything special in order to reply to the list? That is, could you reply to the list just using your normal and typical method of replying...? i.e., the same way you reply to *all* email...? -- "This world ain't big enough for the both of us," said the big noema to the little noema.

Mike

16:54

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

On Monday 03 April 2006 17:05, ken wrote:

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But you did specifically request a reply to your address! Your <snip>

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Perhaps I could explain this. For example, if I'm changing to a new email address, I can transition my addressees to my new email address by putting it into the Reply-to field. Or, if I want a reply to go a some other of my several email addresses, I can specify that into my

Who cares? I sure don't. This list isn't going to change. Give it a rest. Folks arguing back and forth over something that won't change. Hasn't changed in the 6 plus years I've been on the list. See this argument over and over. About every 6 months or so someone tries to get this changed or wants to know why. Read the welcome message you got when you joined. List owner says it won't change. Or try requesting help. Perhaps there is an explanation there. Either way bickering and whining isn't going to change the list. Mike -- Powered by SuSE 10.0 Kernel 2.6.13 KDE 3.4 Kmail 1.8 For Mondo/Mindi backup support go to http://www.mikenjane.net/~mike 6:48pm up 1 day 5:06, 4 users, load average: 2.21, 2.13, 2.10

ken

17:48

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

Mike wrote:

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On Monday 03 April 2006 17:05, ken wrote:

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But you did specifically request a reply to your address! Your <snip>

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Perhaps I could explain this. For example, if I'm changing to a new email address, I can transition my addressees to my new email address by putting it into the Reply-to field. Or, if I want a reply to go a some other of my several email addresses, I can specify that into my

Who cares? I sure don't. This list isn't going to change. Give it a rest. Folks arguing back and forth over something that won't change. Hasn't changed in the 6 plus years I've been on the list. See this argument over and over. About every 6 months or so someone tries to get this changed or wants to know why. Read the welcome message you got when you joined. List owner says it won't change. Or try requesting help. Perhaps there is an explanation there. Either way bickering and whining isn't going to change the list.

Mike

It hope it doesn't sound like I'm bickering or whining, because it doesn't feel to me like that's what I'm doing. Nor am I trying to change the way the list is managed. ... just talking about it. Having fun. Talking tech stuff. When I get to be a hundred, I need to have something to tell my five-year-old about. -- "This world ain't big enough for the both of us," said the big noema to the little noema.

jfweber＠gilweber.com

21:18

New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

On Monday 03 April 2006 12:54 pm, Mike wrote:

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On Monday 03 April 2006 17:05, ken wrote:

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But you did specifically request a reply to your address! Your

<snip>

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Perhaps I could explain this. For example, if I'm changing to a new email address, I can transition my addressees to my new email address by putting it into the Reply-to field. Or, if I want a reply to go a some other of my several email addresses, I can specify that into my

Who cares? I sure don't. This list isn't going to change. Give it a rest. Folks arguing back and forth over something that won't change. Hasn't changed in the 6 plus years I've been on the list. See this argument over and over. About every 6 months or so someone tries to get this changed or wants to know why. Read the welcome message you got when you joined. List owner says it won't change. Or try requesting help. Perhaps there is an explanation there. Either way bickering and whining isn't going to change the list. <Snip>

Yup, getting near to a new release... at least that is when the damned question / argument begins.. boredom I think. -- j

Jos van Kan

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New subject: [SLE] Which Linux?

jfweber@gilweber.com wrote:

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Yup, getting near to a new release... at least that is when the damned question / argument begins.. boredom I think.

I think a lot of information is lacking in the welcome letter to Suse-linux-e, Like for instance: Q How can you tell spring is in the air? A Because the argument why list reply is a Good(TM) or Bad(TM) Thing reraises its ugly head in all vehemence all over again. Q Is this a meaningful discussion? A Huh? Q I mean does it lead anywhere? A No, why should it? Would a merry-go-round be merrier if it led anywhere? I think I'll submit these to majordomo or ezlmn or whatever. Sorry for hijacking the Which Linux thread. :-) Regards, -- Jos van Kan registered Linux user #152704

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