On Thursday 31 October 2002 22.43, Joe Sullivan wrote:

On Thursday 31 October 2002 19:56, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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problems with 8.1. Apparently it has to do with this silly powermanagement stuff among other things. I have absolutely no issues with 8.1 at work using a Compaq Deskpro (PIII800) w/ the ATI 7500 Radeon.

Eh? Power management stuff?

Is *that* what's causing my kernel panics?

Is it possible to install without any power management stuff then? What RPMs should be unchecked during install?

No rpms, just boot with kernel parameter "acpi=off" Anders

* Anders Johansson (andjoh@rydsbo.net) [021031 13:49]: ->On Thursday 31 October 2002 22.43, Joe Sullivan wrote: ->> On Thursday 31 October 2002 19:56, Ben Rosenberg wrote: ->> > problems with 8.1. Apparently it has to do with this silly ->> > powermanagement stuff among other things. I have absolutely no issues ->> > with 8.1 at work using a Compaq Deskpro (PIII800) w/ the ATI 7500 ->> > Radeon. ->> ->> Eh? Power management stuff? ->> ->> Is *that* what's causing my kernel panics? ->> ->> Is it possible to install without any power management stuff then? What ->> RPMs should be unchecked during install? -> ->No rpms, just boot with kernel parameter "acpi=off" I tried booting with "apm=off acpi=off" and it didn't do much good. Box still locked up. I was told it was a combination of things with that bios for that mb...but that it did work with 1011. *shrug* -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.

On Thursday 31 October 2002 14:14, Herman L. Knief wrote:

On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

->I tried booting with "apm=off acpi=off" and it didn't do much good. Box ->still locked up. I was told it was a combination of things with that ->bios for that mb...but that it did work with 1011. *shrug* ->

I've run into strange problems with various settings and it seems no two machines are alike. Some need apm=off and acpi-off... some need these on and other seems to be happier with apic enabled... it seems there's no way to tell what the machine will be happy with other than experimenting. Laptops are what pains me the most. Is seems the new kernel is built in such a way that most laptops I've installed seem to be aware of some form of power management... but they all seem to report that they can't give me a battery status or anything because apm is only partially enabled. Trying to run apmd puke all over itself... so what's left?

Booting with acpi=off has worked with both of my laptops. However, doing that with my desktop made it unstable. I was trying to allow the desktop to go to sleep, but it seemed to crash whenever it tried and I had acpi=off. Without acpi=off, the desktop never even tries to sleep. Steve

On Thursday 31 October 2002 22:55, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

I tried booting with "apm=off acpi=off" and it didn't do much good. Box still locked up. I was told it was a combination of things with that bios for that mb...but that it did work with 1011. *shrug*

Well, I tried it. And it didn't work. Back on 8.0 yet again. I must be a sucker for punishment, but I want 8.1 to *work*, not just be a box of disks sitting on my computer table... *sigh* And SuSE's installation support that's *supposed* to come with buying the system does not exist. At all. Sent an install support request over a week ago, plus a followup mail, and not so much as a peep in response. 60-day install support means "we'll answer you in 60 days" apparently. I've gotten RH8 and Mandrake9 to install and run okay. But I don't want them. I want SuSE, this 8.1 box of disks and administration guide that I paid for. That payment also includes installation support. I expect to get an answer to install support questions. That is not too much to ask. Instead, it's "take the money and run". Busy or not, if you include "install support" when someone buys your product, you're expected to give said support. End vent. Joe

Hi Just a small info...

Dunno what a southbridge is, but I know I have some VIA stuff in this computer....

Southbridge is the data/address bus coming from processor, and going into periperal chip(set).. it is the bus where all the stuff from processor to things like IDE, PCI, USB etc goes. Northbridge is the memory bus.... Jaska. On Friday 01 November 2002 16:42, Joe Sullivan wrote:

Replying to myself. Hmmm...

I'm looking at the changes to Mantel's kernel and seeing a couple things:

------------------- Wed Oct 16 01:26:22 CEST 2002 - agruen@suse.de

- Fix error handling in acl-ext3: Users triggerable error may panic the kernel if the FS error behavior is set to panic. -------------------

Not sure exactly what this means. But I do have ext3 file systems on one of my hard drives. I'm not quite sure, but it's possible I was accessing that HD when the panics occured. Could this be the problem?

----------------- Mon Oct 14 16:41:46 CEST 2002 - mantel@suse.de

- work around severe bug in older VIA southbridges -----------------

Dunno what a southbridge is, but I know I have some VIA stuff in this computer....

This is leading me to think that maybe Mantel's kernel fixes the problem. Since I dunno what the real problem is, it's hard to tell.

Maybe I'll give that a try this weekend. I really need to get some regular work done though, so I'll stick with 8.0 for a few more days at least.

Joe

On Friday 01 November 2002 23:04, Philipp Thomas wrote:

Ben Rosenberg [Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:55:31 -0800]:

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I tried booting with "apm=off acpi=off" and it didn't do much good.

Not to you directly, but I used your mail as a hook :)

For a rather good text (at least IMO :) about ACPI and the problems it makes see

http://www.suse.de/en/private/products/suse_linux/i386/acpi.html

Philipp

Do you know if there is a similar blacklist for issues with APIC? I enountered problems with dual-processor Tyan board systems in which I had to turn apic=off in the bootloader. Thanks! Donavan Pantke