[opensuse] Upgrade from 8.2

manou

13 Oct 2008 13 Oct '08

09:39

Hello folks, First I'm very very newbie in OpenSuse. I used to work on Debian and Ubuntu. Now, I have a remote accessible (only ssh) Suse Server running under 8.2 version. I have to install apache2 and php5 in this server but I found that the best solution is first to upgrade the version to a more recent. So I have questions: - can I upgrade the version from 8.2 to 11 without a risk of lost hand? - if it is not possible, what version I can to upgrade to at most? I notice that the minimum version available actually is 10.0 (is that right?) - and finally, where can I find a good documentation for upgrading (Open)Suse without losting hand on the server? Thanks in advance friends, manou -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Larry Stotler

13 Oct 13 Oct

12:52

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 5:39 AM, manou wrote:

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First I'm very very newbie in OpenSuse. I used to work on Debian and Ubuntu. Now, I have a remote accessible (only ssh) Suse Server running under 8.2 version. I have to install apache2 and php5 in this server but I found that the best solution is first to upgrade the version to a more recent. So I have questions: - can I upgrade the version from 8.2 to 11 without a risk of lost hand?

Not sure. Theres been so many versions. I would recommend that you clone the system to anotther drive and give it a test run before you try to do anything permanent.

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- if it is not possible, what version I can to upgrade to at most? I notice that the minimum version available actually is 10.0 (is that right?)

There are other versions available that have also been discontinue(SuSE up to v9.3). Currently v10.2 is going end of life, so I would recommend 11.0 because of the 2 year update cycle.

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- and finally, where can I find a good documentation for upgrading (Open)Suse without losting hand on the server?

No sure if there is any documentation for trying to upgrade from a system that old. I have v8.1 on a thinkpad(96MB RAM Max). If I get a chance, I could try putting it ina newer machine and see how the upgrade goes. Cloning the system and trying it would probably be the best option...... What are your hardware specs? 256MB is the minimum for a GUI install of 11.0 for usability. Good luck. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

manou

13:09

Thank you Larry, The server has 512MB of ram for the moment. I think there is no problem for the hardware if we want to install 11.0 on it. But the problem is that I cannot have console access to the server as it's located in an another country and I think in a datacenter :-( So, you're right, it's better if I clone this system first and try the upgrade locally. Thanks, Manou On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:52:33 -0400 "Larry Stotler" wrote:

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On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 5:39 AM, manou wrote:

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First I'm very very newbie in OpenSuse. I used to work on Debian and Ubuntu. Now, I have a remote accessible (only ssh) Suse Server running under 8.2 version. I have to install apache2 and php5 in this server but I found that the best solution is first to upgrade the version to a more recent. So I have questions: - can I upgrade the version from 8.2 to 11 without a risk of lost hand?

Not sure. Theres been so many versions. I would recommend that you clone the system to anotther drive and give it a test run before you try to do anything permanent.

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- if it is not possible, what version I can to upgrade to at most? I notice that the minimum version available actually is 10.0 (is that right?)

There are other versions available that have also been discontinue(SuSE up to v9.3). Currently v10.2 is going end of life, so I would recommend 11.0 because of the 2 year update cycle.

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- and finally, where can I find a good documentation for upgrading (Open)Suse without losting hand on the server?

No sure if there is any documentation for trying to upgrade from a system that old. I have v8.1 on a thinkpad(96MB RAM Max). If I get a chance, I could try putting it ina newer machine and see how the upgrade goes. Cloning the system and trying it would probably be the best option...... What are your hardware specs? 256MB is the minimum for a GUI install of 11.0 for usability.

Good luck. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-- Manou Rabary -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Larry Stotler

13:42

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 9:09 AM, manou wrote:

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The server has 512MB of ram for the moment. I think there is no problem for the hardware if we want to install 11.0 on it.

I have 11.0 installed on a Dual P3/500Mhz HP server with 256MB RAM on a text console. Currently has 17 days uptime(had to move it recently). It's just an NFS/Samba server tho.

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But the problem is that I cannot have console access to the server as it's located in an another country and I think in a datacenter :-(

It may be difficult to start the upgrade in that case. You could do a network install probably by adding the install kernel/initrd into the Lilo or Grub command time and doing a network install, but someone would have to be there. As for starting the install/upgrade from a running system, I'd say it's probably not possible on that much of a jump. The new zypper package manager can upgrade a system, but it didn't come out until recently. I was able to update several systems from Betas and RCs to 11.0 Release with no issues and I look forward to doing it with 11.1 from 11.0.

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So, you're right, it's better if I clone this system first and try the upgrade locally.

Very good plan. If you have someone onsite that can do the upgrade with you maybe on phone or video link, that would be the best way(other than going there). But proving it will work first is the challenge. What type of services are you running? NFS, Print, Samba, etc? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Andrew Joakimsen

17:03

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Larry Stotler wrote:

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Very good plan. If you have someone onsite that can do the upgrade with you maybe on phone or video link, that would be the best way(other than going there). But proving it will work first is the challenge. What type of services are you running? NFS, Print, Samba, etc?

Or you can do an SSH install, you still need someone onsite but they can sit around and read a book while you do the installation. http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Remote_Installation_of_SUSE_LINUX#SSH Datacenters are very noisy, so unless they are familiar with the openSUSE installer you are going to have to walk them through it, which can get annoying. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Larry Stotler

17:47

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Andrew Joakimsen wrote:

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Or you can do an SSH install, you still need someone onsite but they can sit around and read a book while you do the installation.

http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Remote_Installation_of_SUSE_LINUX#SSH

I'm assuming that you just change the repository in YaST and then do an update? How far back would this work? 10.x? 9.x? etc....

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Datacenters are very noisy, so unless they are familiar with the openSUSE installer you are going to have to walk them through it, which can get annoying.

Especially if they have never used it. Good points. Since I don't get into a data center but rarely, I forgot about that. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

14:56

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2008-10-13 at 16:09 +0300, manou wrote:

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But the problem is that I cannot have console access to the server as it's located in an another country and I think in a datacenter :-( So, you're right, it's better if I clone this system first and try the upgrade locally.

Some would install on a local machine, then send the entire machine there. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkjzYYkACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U9ZwCdGyanhEuCUUcsVvtTD3eu9qbz VRYAn3UVK/2SM9c7kWUjHEIZw1wcV9PD =0paf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

13:08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2008-10-13 at 12:39 +0300, manou wrote:

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Hello folks, First I'm very very newbie in OpenSuse. I used to work on Debian and Ubuntu. Now, I have a remote accessible (only ssh) Suse Server running under 8.2 version. I have to install apache2 and php5 in this server but I found that the best solution is first to upgrade the version to a more recent. So I have questions: - can I upgrade the version from 8.2 to 11 without a risk of lost hand?

Very doubtful. :-o

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- if it is not possible, what version I can to upgrade to at most? I notice that the minimum version available actually is 10.0 (is that right?)

A jump of over two versions is risky (ie, 8.2 to 9.1 is risky, 8.2 to 9.2 is too risky). Current version is 11.0, and 11.1 is due in december. 10.1 and older are not supported, and 10.2 will not be in a month, I think.

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- and finally, where can I find a good documentation for upgrading (Open)Suse without losting hand on the server?

There is documentation of changes from one version to the next in the admin book (paper and pdf and html). Remote upgrading is never a safe procedure. You have to know the distro very much to be aware of every pitfall. I could not warranty success. I would either go, or hire somewhere to go there. If it is a production machine... - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkjzSFEACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UI0wCdE21hU1Jo7+cbLnG/wKY+nbcV TUAAn0TXiCrOZVqttnlzoSbTKrkBSqSk =PmnW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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