On Sat, 2004-03-13 at 10:18, S.R.Glasoe wrote:

SUSE-LINUX-E FAQ:

Q2. What is appropriate content for the list? A2. Questions about configuration, maintenance, and implementation of SuSE Linux. The emphasis is on the x86 platform since we have separate lists for AXP, Sparc, IA64, and PPC.

Q3. What is not appropriate content for the list? A3. Commercial postings of any kind, job postings, non-computer/Linux related material. Because of the large size of the list (1500 subscribers and ~200 messages per day), flame wars and off-topic posting can sometimes result in you being unsubscribed and, in extreme cases, banned from the list. Also, please unsubscribe now if you planning on posting advocacy-type things. We have a list specifically devoted to these sorts of discussion, suse-ot. Email suse-ot-subscribe@suse.com to subscribe.

Can people stop spamming this crap. If you have an issue with someone's OT posting, please spam them off list. Thank you, Matt

* Steven T. Hatton [03-13-04 13:44]:

These strong-armed tactics of posting excerpts from the newly

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established guidelines are not very productive in accomplishing the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ objective of persuading people to discuss this topic elsewhere.

You may be new but the "guidelines" are not. Excerpt from suse-linux-e-help dated 14 Jan 2002 03:35:25 -0000: ----Some Frequently Asked, Frequently Asked Questions Q1. What is the suse-linux-e mailing list? A1. SLE is a high volume, unmoderated mailing list for general discussions about SuSE Linux in English. In other words, it's a wild, largely unsupervised, collection of Linux users that will flood your mailbox with 100-200 messages per day. It's also a great place to get help with your SuSE Linux system or have discussions about Linux. Q2. What is appropriate content for the list? A2. Questions about configuration, maintenance, and implementation of SuSE Linux. The emphasis is on the x86 platform since we have separate lists for AXP, Sparc, IA64, and PPC. Q3. What is not appropriate content for the list? A3. Commercial postings of any kind, job postings, non-computer/Linux related material. Because of the large size of the list (1500 subscribers and ~200 messages per day), flame wars and off-topic posting can sometimes result in you being unsubscribed and, in extreme cases, banned from the list. Also, please unsubscribe now if you planning on posting advocacy-type things. There are lots of advocacy newsgroups such as comp.os.linux.advocacy. And/but this was before suse-ot existed (announced 18 June 2003 by Christopher Mahwood ): Hi all, Q1. What is the suse-ot mailing list? A1. It's a list specifically for off-topic discussions that aren't wanted on other lists. That's right, all off-topic, all the time. Q2. What is appropriate content for the list? A2. We'd prefer if technical discussions were kept on the appropriate lists for archival purposes. Other than that just try not offend too many people. Additional restrictions may be added in the future. Q3. What is not appropriate content for the list? A3. Commercial postings of any kind or job postings. As always, email suse-ot-subscribe@suse.com to subscribe. Enjoy in moderation, -- -ckm I understand that you will do as you .... well please, but please try for a little more accuracy in your postings. . -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711

Hi, On Saturday 13 March 2004 19:44, Steven T. Hatton wrote:

On Saturday 13 March 2004 01:18 pm, S.R.Glasoe wrote:

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SUSE-LINUX-E FAQ:

Q2. What is appropriate content for the list? A2. Questions about configuration, maintenance, and implementation of SuSE Linux. The emphasis is on the x86 platform since we have separate lists for AXP, Sparc, IA64, and PPC.

Q3. What is not appropriate content for the list? A3. Commercial postings of any kind, job postings, non-computer/Linux related material. Because of the large size of the list (1500 subscribers and ~200 messages per day), flame wars and off-topic posting can sometimes result in you being unsubscribed and, in extreme cases, banned from the list. Also, please unsubscribe now if you planning on posting advocacy-type things. We have a list specifically devoted to these sorts of discussion, suse-ot. Email suse-ot-subscribe@suse.com to subscribe.

These strong-armed tactics of posting excerpts from the newly established guidelines are not very productive in accomplishing the objective of persuading people to discuss this topic elsewhere. Someone had the decorum to contact me off list and explained the situation in terms which made sense, providing background, and clarification.

If you try to Statzi(sp) me, or others like me, the result will probably be more of what you don't like.

So, for folks who don't know. The list admins believe the degree to which the ongoing lawsuit has dominated the list detracts from the primary focus of the list, and have therefor asked we take such discussions elsewhere.

I'm sure It wasn't meant personal and it would be good if you wouldn't take it that way either. While you're right that it would be nicer - and on the individual case more effective/helpful - you should also understand, that this would ask a lot of effort from the side of those that try to make you (and others of course) aware of the "primary focus" of this list. By quoting from the SUSE-LINUX-E FAQ (something that is sent out to every subscriber) it could - hopefully - make not only the one poster but the other list memebers as well aware of this point (something that - by definition - could not be achieved by writing a personal e-mail to you or any other "offender"). Greetings from Bremen hartmut