[opensuse] Still having problems with xorg and video
Hi all, I'm still having problems with xorg and my video card settings. The system is not running the correct drivers. Screensaver will not start. I had tried to install the ATI driver, but could not get that to work (previous posts). Now I'm in a sort of limbo, not in either setup properly. Do I need to reinstall the entire system to get this right? Or instead of a total reinstall of the system, could I uninstall xorg and kde, then reinstall these, on my working system? Or is there a way to get xorg to load the default drivers without reinstalling anything, and if so, how? Sorry for reposting this, but I still don't have this working correctly. (I'm running opensuse 10.2, KDE, ATI 9800 Pro AGP card). Many thanks, Jim Flanagan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 20 May 2007, Jim Flanagan wrote:
Hi all,
I'm still having problems with xorg and my video card settings. The system is not running the correct drivers. Screensaver will not start. I had tried to install the ATI driver, but could not get that to work (previous posts). Now I'm in a sort of limbo, not in either setup properly.
Do I need to reinstall the entire system to get this right? Or instead of a total reinstall of the system, could I uninstall xorg and kde, then reinstall these, on my working system? Or is there a way to get xorg to load the default drivers without reinstalling anything, and if so, how?
Sorry for reposting this, but I still don't have this working correctly. (I'm running opensuse 10.2, KDE, ATI 9800 Pro AGP card).
Many thanks,
Jim Flanagan
======== Just drop down to "init 3" to run sax2! Whether you have or had the ATI drivers installed, you should still be able to configure the video. A lot of times having a buggy/bad xorg.conf will prevent sax2 from starting, so rename/delete the old file, then run sax2 or just try the below first. You may have to use "sax2 -r -m 0=radeon", which will start from scratch using the xorg radeon module. ctrl-alt-F1 login as root init 3 sax2 -r -m 0=radeon (be sure to test your settings before exiting sax2) init 5 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 20 May 2007 20:42, Jim Flanagan wrote:
Or instead of a total reinstall of the system, could I uninstall xorg and kde, then reinstall these, on my working system? Jim, remove or rename your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.
Then run this at a black screen alt-F1 console as root: init 3 sax2 -r -m 0=radeon Go through the setup... this should get your xorg.conf file back to something similar to your installation configuration. No, you don't need to reinstall your system... although, I must admit that I was forced to do that some short time ago (before I realized the -r switch was so useful). -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
BandiPat wrote:
On Sunday 20 May 2007, Jim Flanagan wrote:
Hi all,
I'm still having problems with xorg and my video card settings. The system is not running the correct drivers. Screensaver will not start. I had tried to install the ATI driver, but could not get that to work (previous posts). Now I'm in a sort of limbo, not in either setup properly.
Do I need to reinstall the entire system to get this right? Or instead of a total reinstall of the system, could I uninstall xorg and kde, then reinstall these, on my working system? Or is there a way to get xorg to load the default drivers without reinstalling anything, and if so, how?
Sorry for reposting this, but I still don't have this working correctly. (I'm running opensuse 10.2, KDE, ATI 9800 Pro AGP card).
Many thanks,
Jim Flanagan
========
Just drop down to "init 3" to run sax2! Whether you have or had the ATI drivers installed, you should still be able to configure the video. A lot of times having a buggy/bad xorg.conf will prevent sax2 from starting, so rename/delete the old file, then run sax2 or just try the below first.
You may have to use "sax2 -r -m 0=radeon", which will start from scratch using the xorg radeon module.
ctrl-alt-F1 login as root init 3 sax2 -r -m 0=radeon (be sure to test your settings before exiting sax2)
init 5
I had already tried running sax2 with the -r and -m and 0=radeon. Just now I tried again, but first renaming xorg.conf. This did write a new xorg.conf file, but nothing is improved. In KDE>configure desktop>screensaver, I get the message: The specified library screensaver could not be found. The diagnosis is: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmCloseOnce Possible reasons: - An error occurred during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module - You have old third party modules lying around. Check these points carefully and try to remove the module mentioned in the error message. If this fails, consider contacting your distributor or packager. Not sure that this is about, but has been a problem since I uninstalled the ATI rpm. Screensaver was working fine before I tried the ATI driver. Jim F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 20 May 2007 23:01, Jim Flanagan wrote:
In KDE>configure desktop>screensaver, I get the message: The specified library screensaver could not be found. The diagnosis is: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmCloseOnce I'm sorry Jim, I missunderstood you... thought you couldn't get the X configured correctly. Just to make sure we're on the same page... does you X setup work... in other words, do you get a desktop ?
So, the problem is the screensaver? Does xscreensaver work? Just remove and reinstall the following packages: kdeartwork3-kscreensaver kdeartwork3-xscreensaver xscreensaver If this does not work, just to be clean about it, remove kde and reinstall kde. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
M Harris wrote:
On Sunday 20 May 2007 23:01, Jim Flanagan wrote:
In KDE>configure desktop>screensaver, I get the message: The specified library screensaver could not be found. The diagnosis is: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmCloseOnce
I'm sorry Jim, I missunderstood you... thought you couldn't get the X configured correctly. Just to make sure we're on the same page... does you X setup work... in other words, do you get a desktop ?
So, the problem is the screensaver? Does xscreensaver work?
Just remove and reinstall the following packages:
kdeartwork3-kscreensaver kdeartwork3-xscreensaver xscreensaver
If this does not work, just to be clean about it, remove kde and reinstall kde.
Sorry for not being clear. I DO get a desktop. But there are a few things broken with my setup. One is screensaver as mentioned. Another is glxgears, it won't run, returning the same error that screensaver does, " /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmCloseOnce". This is what lead me to beleive that x is not configured properly, but it may be something else. Not sure what exactly the problem is. Another problem is clicking in My Computer returns an i/o error. I tried uninstalling the screensavers, but that did not help. I'll try uninstalling KDE and see if that fixes the problem. Thanks, Jim Flanagan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 21 May 2007, Jim Flanagan wrote:
I had already tried running sax2 with the -r and -m and 0=radeon. Just now I tried again, but first renaming xorg.conf. This did write a new xorg.conf file, but nothing is improved. In KDE>configure desktop>screensaver, I get the message: The specified library screensaver could not be found. The diagnosis is: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmCloseOnce
Possible reasons: - An error occurred during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module - You have old third party modules lying around.
Check these points carefully and try to remove the module mentioned in the error message. If this fails, consider contacting your distributor or packager.
Not sure that this is about, but has been a problem since I uninstalled the ATI rpm. Screensaver was working fine before I tried the ATI driver.
Jim F
=========== Ok, it sounds like you did not turn on 3D while in sax2 then. It's possible that your screensavers are zonked, but more than likely, I would guess that you failed to accomplish everything while in sax2. If you do "glxinfo" from the shell, do you see direct rendering = yes there? If it's "no" then guess what? Yep, 3d is not turned on and you need to go back into sax2 to take care of that. I'm guessing you are trying to run a 3D screensaver when you get the error? Lee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2007-05-21 06:38, Jim Flanagan wrote:
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/usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmCloseOnce". This is what lead me to beleive that x is not configured properly, but it may be something else. Not sure what exactly the problem is. Another problem is clicking in My Computer returns an i/o error.
That file belongs to xorg-x11-Mesa. Try re-installing that (and the -devel package if you are using it). -- Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. -- HG Wells -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
BandiPat wrote:
On Monday 21 May 2007, Jim Flanagan wrote:
I had already tried running sax2 with the -r and -m and 0=radeon. Just now I tried again, but first renaming xorg.conf. This did write a new xorg.conf file, but nothing is improved. In KDE>configure desktop>screensaver, I get the message: The specified library screensaver could not be found. The diagnosis is: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmCloseOnce
Possible reasons: - An error occurred during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module - You have old third party modules lying around.
Check these points carefully and try to remove the module mentioned in the error message. If this fails, consider contacting your distributor or packager.
Not sure that this is about, but has been a problem since I uninstalled the ATI rpm. Screensaver was working fine before I tried the ATI driver.
Jim F
===========
Ok, it sounds like you did not turn on 3D while in sax2 then. It's possible that your screensavers are zonked, but more than likely, I would guess that you failed to accomplish everything while in sax2. If you do "glxinfo" from the shell, do you see direct rendering = yes there? If it's "no" then guess what? Yep, 3d is not turned on and you need to go back into sax2 to take care of that. I'm guessing you are trying to run a 3D screensaver when you get the error?
No, I did not turn on 3D in sax, but the screensaver is not 3D either. I'll have to wait until later in the day to work on this again, but I did not see how to enable 3D in sax. There is a check box, but it was greyed out. Is there another command in sax that will enable this? Many thanks, Jim F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 21 May 2007 10:06, Jim Flanagan wrote:
There is a check box, but it was greyed out. Is there another command in sax that will enable this? Well, supposedly, the card you are using should allow 3D with the out-of-box drivers... but my experience is that you need to use the ATI proprietary driver to get 3D working, and in that case you don't want to use the check-box in yast anyway.... on my card the 3D check box was also grayed out...
-- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 21 May 2007, Jim Flanagan wrote:
===========
Ok, it sounds like you did not turn on 3D while in sax2 then. It's possible that your screensavers are zonked, but more than likely, I would guess that you failed to accomplish everything while in sax2. If you do "glxinfo" from the shell, do you see direct rendering = yes there? If it's "no" then guess what? Yep, 3d is not turned on and you need to go back into sax2 to take care of that. I'm guessing you are trying to run a 3D screensaver when you get the error?
No, I did not turn on 3D in sax, but the screensaver is not 3D either. I'll have to wait until later in the day to work on this again, but I did not see how to enable 3D in sax. There is a check box, but it was greyed out. Is there another command in sax that will enable this?
Many thanks,
Jim F
======== Jim, I'm not close to a SuSE machine at the moment and haven't used sax2 in a long time, but there should be a check box for 3d. Did you check to be sure the card is correct and it chose the right monitor+settings? If all that is correct, the 3d should come available to you. If not, you can always edit the xorg.conf file to set it on. Section "Module" Load "glx" Load "type1" Load "extmod" Load "dbe" Load "freetype" Load "v4l" Load "dri" EndSection That's the section you want to look about. Compare it to your xorg.conf and make the necessary changes. Be sure to restart X after making the changes, then try your "glxinfo" again for direct rendering. regards, Lee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2007-05-21 06:38, Jim Flanagan wrote:
<snip>
/usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmCloseOnce". This is what lead me to beleive that x is not configured properly, but it may be something else. Not sure what exactly the problem is. Another problem is clicking in My Computer returns an i/o error.
That file belongs to xorg-x11-Mesa. Try re-installing that (and the -devel package if you are using it).
I did not find a package called xorg-x11-Mesa, but I did find simply Mesa and Mesa-devel. I updated those, but did not uninstall first. They updated from the skynet source. No change in behavior, screensaver still returns the same error message. Did I find the right packages? Jim F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
M Harris wrote:
On Sunday 20 May 2007 23:01, Jim Flanagan wrote:
In KDE>configure desktop>screensaver, I get the message: The specified library screensaver could not be found. The diagnosis is: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmCloseOnce
I'm sorry Jim, I missunderstood you... thought you couldn't get the X configured correctly. Just to make sure we're on the same page... does you X setup work... in other words, do you get a desktop ?
So, the problem is the screensaver? Does xscreensaver work?
Just remove and reinstall the following packages:
kdeartwork3-kscreensaver kdeartwork3-xscreensaver xscreensaver
If this does not work, just to be clean about it, remove kde and reinstall kde.
Well, I feel like in stuck in the movie Groundhog Day. I keep getting back to where I was, but no better off. I tried Daryl's suggestion and updated Mesa and Mesa-devel, not change. Then i uninstalled the patterns KDE Desktop and KDE Base. Told all the dependencies to delete as well, system then booted into terminal, no X. The re-installed KDE and Xorg. Now I'm back to desktop, but all is exaclty where I had left it before. All my programs are still here, tbird etc. and screensaver still won't work. Glxinfo still retunrs the same error message. Perhaps I should try uninstalling KDE again, but this time delete /etc/x11?? then reinstall?? Jim F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday May 22 2007 8:40:17 am Jim Flanagan wrote:
Well, I feel like in stuck in the movie Groundhog Day. I keep getting back to where I was, but no better off. I tried Daryl's suggestion and updated Mesa and Mesa-devel, not change. Then i uninstalled the patterns KDE Desktop and KDE Base. Told all the dependencies to delete as well, system then booted into terminal, no X. The re-installed KDE and Xorg. Now I'm back to desktop, but all is exaclty where I had left it before. All my programs are still here, tbird etc. and screensaver still won't work. Glxinfo still retunrs the same error message. Perhaps I should try uninstalling KDE again, but this time delete /etc/x11?? then reinstall??
Jim F
Can't remember if you have moved or deleted your ~/.kde directory and deleted everything in /tmp related to this particular login ID and then rebooted. That would clear out any weird settings left over from whatever. By un/re-installing KDE you won't get a clean ~/.kde so any possible bad or wrong settings are retained. Did you create a new user ID and does it have the same problems? -- Stan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
S Glasoe wrote:
On Tuesday May 22 2007 8:40:17 am Jim Flanagan wrote:
Well, I feel like in stuck in the movie Groundhog Day. I keep getting back to where I was, but no better off. I tried Daryl's suggestion and updated Mesa and Mesa-devel, not change. Then i uninstalled the patterns KDE Desktop and KDE Base. Told all the dependencies to delete as well, system then booted into terminal, no X. The re-installed KDE and Xorg. Now I'm back to desktop, but all is exaclty where I had left it before. All my programs are still here, tbird etc. and screensaver still won't work. Glxinfo still retunrs the same error message. Perhaps I should try uninstalling KDE again, but this time delete /etc/x11?? then reinstall??
Jim F
Can't remember if you have moved or deleted your ~/.kde directory and deleted everything in /tmp related to this particular login ID and then rebooted. That would clear out any weird settings left over from whatever. By un/re-installing KDE you won't get a clean ~/.kde so any possible bad or wrong settings are retained.
Did you create a new user ID and does it have the same problems?
I did not delete ~/.kde or /tmp before reinstalling KDE. Thats a good idea. I think I'll delete /etc/X11 as well. Existing other users and a new user experience the same problems. This may or may not be related, but clicking on My Computer on the desktop returns this error: An error occurred while loading sysinfo:/: Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_sysinfo'. Jim F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday May 22 2007 11:18:59 am Jim Flanagan wrote:
I did not delete ~/.kde or /tmp before reinstalling KDE. Thats a good idea. I think I'll delete /etc/X11 as well.
Don't know if deleting /etc/X11at the same time is a good idea. I'd save that for a next step.
Existing other users and a new user experience the same problems.
This may or may not be related, but clicking on My Computer on the desktop returns this error: An error occurred while loading sysinfo:/: Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_sysinfo'.
Jim F
kio_sysinfo is provided by kdebase3-SuSE-10.2-x.y.rpm I believe. Maybe you are missing more than a few KDE rpms. Possibly select almost everything in YaST, Software Management that starts with KDE* instead of going for package groups may load the missing rpms. -- Stan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
S Glasoe wrote:
On Tuesday May 22 2007 11:18:59 am Jim Flanagan wrote:
I did not delete ~/.kde or /tmp before reinstalling KDE. Thats a good idea. I think I'll delete /etc/X11 as well.
Don't know if deleting /etc/X11at the same time is a good idea. I'd save that for a next step.
Existing other users and a new user experience the same problems.
This may or may not be related, but clicking on My Computer on the desktop returns this error: An error occurred while loading sysinfo:/: Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_sysinfo'.
Jim F
kio_sysinfo is provided by kdebase3-SuSE-10.2-x.y.rpm I believe. Maybe you are missing more than a few KDE rpms. Possibly select almost everything in YaST, Software Management that starts with KDE* instead of going for package groups may load the missing rpms.
I looked thru my packages, and don't see any KDE stuff to add that might help, only stuff like languages, arts, toys, etc. I tried uninstalling kdebase3-SuSE and reinstalling that, but no change. I will try adding some more KDE packages just in case. For information sake, how do you tell a certain file is needed or supplied by a certain package, such as kio_sysinfo belonging to kdebase3-? Many thanks, Jim F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
BandiPat wrote:
On Monday 21 May 2007, Jim Flanagan wrote:
===========
Ok, it sounds like you did not turn on 3D while in sax2 then. It's possible that your screensavers are zonked, but more than likely, I would guess that you failed to accomplish everything while in sax2. If you do "glxinfo" from the shell, do you see direct rendering = yes there? If it's "no" then guess what? Yep, 3d is not turned on and you need to go back into sax2 to take care of that. I'm guessing you are trying to run a 3D screensaver when you get the error?
No, I did not turn on 3D in sax, but the screensaver is not 3D either. I'll have to wait until later in the day to work on this again, but I did not see how to enable 3D in sax. There is a check box, but it was greyed out. Is there another command in sax that will enable this?
Many thanks,
Jim F
======== Jim, I'm not close to a SuSE machine at the moment and haven't used sax2 in a long time, but there should be a check box for 3d. Did you check to be sure the card is correct and it chose the right monitor+settings? If all that is correct, the 3d should come available to you. If not, you can always edit the xorg.conf file to set it on.
Section "Module" Load "glx" Load "type1" Load "extmod" Load "dbe" Load "freetype" Load "v4l" Load "dri" EndSection
That's the section you want to look about. Compare it to your xorg.conf and make the necessary changes. Be sure to restart X after making the changes, then try your "glxinfo" again for direct rendering.
regards, Lee
Hi Lee, My xorg.cong contains all these lines, except the "dri". The others are there, but not in the same order. Does that matter? I have not added "dri" yet, should I? Sax2 is detecting my 9800 Pro as R350 NH. I believe that is correct. The 3D box is grayed out, don't have access to it. I do have a spare 9200 laying around that I could throw in this machine if that would help, but from what you indicated the 9800 Pro should work well with the default drivers. With the default install I was only getting about 23fps in glxgears, way too slow for this card. That is why I was trying to install the ATI drivers. Since then I can't run either glxgears or fglrxgears. And other stuff is not right, like screensaver. Many thanks, Jim F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 09:34, Jim Flanagan wrote:
My xorg.cong contains all these lines, except the "dri". The others are there, but not in the same order. Does that matter? I have not added "dri" yet, should I? "dri" is the 3D ... or, in other words, normally checking the 3D box (which is grayed out in your case) adds the "dri". Even though my 3D box was grayed out I was able to add the "dri" to the list manually to activate 3D. Its worth a try.
-- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday May 23 2007 9:33:14 am Jim Flanagan wrote:
For information sake, how do you tell a certain file is needed or supplied by a certain package, such as kio_sysinfo belonging to kdebase3-?
Many thanks,
Jim F
pin <file or RPM name> Good for a locally available way to search what was included. pin will ask you to have CD1 or DVD in a drive so it can load ARCHIVES.gz to /var/pin/ARCHIVES.gz. From then on it will not need the CD/DVD. -- Stan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 23 May 2007, Jim Flanagan wrote:
Hi Lee,
My xorg.cong contains all these lines, except the "dri". The others are there, but not in the same order. Does that matter? I have not added "dri" yet, should I?
Sax2 is detecting my 9800 Pro as R350 NH. I believe that is correct. The 3D box is grayed out, don't have access to it. I do have a spare 9200 laying around that I could throw in this machine if that would help, but from what you indicated the 9800 Pro should work well with the default drivers. With the default install I was only getting about 23fps in glxgears, way too slow for this card. That is why I was trying to install the ATI drivers. Since then I can't run either glxgears or fglrxgears. And other stuff is not right, like screensaver.
Many thanks,
Jim F
========= No, it doesn't matter in what order they are in, but all of them should be there! Sounds like it is seeing the card correctly and I'm pretty sure that card is supported. What version of xorg are you running? If it's the build that came with 10.0, that version may not support that card fully, but will do excellent 2d. That may be your problem and the reason the 3D box is greyed out to you. I do believe 7.1 and above supports the 9800 fully though. I'll look in the changelog to see what it says. Either way, you should be able to add the "dri" module to get some 3D now, although it may not be exceptional, it should still work. good luck, Lee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
BandiPat wrote:
On Wednesday 23 May 2007, Jim Flanagan wrote:
Hi Lee,
My xorg.cong contains all these lines, except the "dri". The others are there, but not in the same order. Does that matter? I have not added "dri" yet, should I?
Sax2 is detecting my 9800 Pro as R350 NH. I believe that is correct. The 3D box is grayed out, don't have access to it. I do have a spare 9200 laying around that I could throw in this machine if that would help, but from what you indicated the 9800 Pro should work well with the default drivers. With the default install I was only getting about 23fps in glxgears, way too slow for this card. That is why I was trying to install the ATI drivers. Since then I can't run either glxgears or fglrxgears. And other stuff is not right, like screensaver.
Many thanks,
Jim F
========= No, it doesn't matter in what order they are in, but all of them should be there! Sounds like it is seeing the card correctly and I'm pretty sure that card is supported. What version of xorg are you running? If it's the build that came with 10.0, that version may not support that card fully, but will do excellent 2d. That may be your problem and the reason the 3D box is greyed out to you. I do believe 7.1 and above supports the 9800 fully though. I'll look in the changelog to see what it says.
Either way, you should be able to add the "dri" module to get some 3D now, although it may not be exceptional, it should still work.
good luck, Lee
Hi all, I will try adding the "dri" now. I had previously updated all xorg stuff to the latest, which it got from one of the sources I added, (I believe from ftp.gwdg.de..., but not sure). The version for xorg now is 7.2-146.7-i586. Will revert. Jim F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jim Flanagan wrote:
BandiPat wrote:
On Wednesday 23 May 2007, Jim Flanagan wrote:
Hi Lee,
My xorg.cong contains all these lines, except the "dri". The others are there, but not in the same order. Does that matter? I have not added "dri" yet, should I?
Sax2 is detecting my 9800 Pro as R350 NH. I believe that is correct. The 3D box is grayed out, don't have access to it. I do have a spare 9200 laying around that I could throw in this machine if that would help, but from what you indicated the 9800 Pro should work well with the default drivers. With the default install I was only getting about 23fps in glxgears, way too slow for this card. That is why I was trying to install the ATI drivers. Since then I can't run either glxgears or fglrxgears. And other stuff is not right, like screensaver.
Many thanks,
Jim F
========= No, it doesn't matter in what order they are in, but all of them should be there! Sounds like it is seeing the card correctly and I'm pretty sure that card is supported. What version of xorg are you running? If it's the build that came with 10.0, that version may not support that card fully, but will do excellent 2d. That may be your problem and the reason the 3D box is greyed out to you. I do believe 7.1 and above supports the 9800 fully though. I'll look in the changelog to see what it says.
Either way, you should be able to add the "dri" module to get some 3D now, although it may not be exceptional, it should still work.
good luck, Lee
Hi all,
I will try adding the "dri" now. I had previously updated all xorg stuff to the latest, which it got from one of the sources I added, (I believe from ftp.gwdg.de..., but not sure). The version for xorg now is 7.2-146.7-i586.
OK, X will not start with the load "dri" in xorg.conf. Black screen of death. I do have keyboard control, but no X. I removed it and now back to the desktop. I'm starting to think this card is not very well supported, by neither ATI nor xorg. I could try my older Radeon 9200 , oops, sorry, it a 9000 with 64mb ram. But, the problem still my be something else which is causing glxinfo to not run. I guess I could have just re-installed the entire 10.2 system, time wise this would have been faster, but I don't want to do that. I really want to figure this thing out, how this X stuff works. So at the risk of making the one of those threads that just wont die, I'll try another uninstall if KDE, then deleting ~/.kde (saving my kmail file first of course), then reinstall KDE to see if that fixes the other stuff. As to whether the radeon 9800 pro will work with 3d or not, will find out then. Will report back. Many thanks, Jim F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I'm starting to think this card is not very well supported, by neither ATI nor xorg. I could try my older Radeon 9200 , oops, sorry, it a 9000 with 64mb ram. Yeah, I am getting mixed signals from folks regarding these same cards... some folks are saying that the out-of-box drivers are giving 3D results... while others cannot get the card to work at all without the proprietary driver... so, I'm wondering about the firmware on the card... anyway, I think I'm done with ATI until they make some significant improvements... both open
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 17:53, Jim Flanagan wrote: source wise, and hardware wise. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Wednesday 23 May 2007 17:53, Jim Flanagan wrote:
I'm starting to think this card is not very well supported, by neither ATI nor xorg. I could try my older Radeon 9200 , oops, sorry, it a 9000 with 64mb ram.
Yeah, I am getting mixed signals from folks regarding these same cards... some folks are saying that the out-of-box drivers are giving 3D results... while others cannot get the card to work at all without the proprietary driver... so, I'm wondering about the firmware on the card... anyway, I think I'm done with ATI until they make some significant improvements... both open source wise, and hardware wise.
Well, I finally wimped out, re-installed the whole install. There were too many dependencies uninstalling KDE and related stuff. Got tired of doing that. Anyways, all is working mostly fine now. I did take out the radeon 9800 pro card and put in the older 9000. Sax2 did let me check the 3D box on tis card (not greyed out). Without 3D it was getting about 315 fps in glxgears. With 3D it is now getting about 1650 fps or a little better. (Under my old 9.3 install it got about 1550 fps). Don't know if this is good for this card or not. This card is more limited than the 9800, but the 9000 is working faster now than the 9800 did previously. (The 9000 would not run the install dvd at any resolution over 1024x768). One thing I have noticed on this install and previous ones, once every so often glxgears seems to almost stop, or hang for a moment or two, then back to normal. I don't' know if this is normal or not, but it has been occurring for me on several installs, on this box anyway. (I notice the same thing on my Tivo menus, not TV video). In the past I have assumed this was due to me running the base video drivers and not the ATI drivers. But at this point I dunno, and I'm not going to try to install the ATI drivers again, at least until they update them, and I see others having overall good success. Or I get a different brand video card, which ever happens first! Thanks to all for the good help. Jim F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 24 May 2007 07:21, Jim Flanagan wrote:
In the past I have assumed this was due to me running the base video drivers and not the ATI drivers. But at this point I dunno, and I'm not going to try to install the ATI drivers again Well, GL-117 flight simulator also will pause (just for a sec) every now and again... running the ATI proprietary driver. I thought it had to do either with my overall memory being too small, or my AGP apature being set too small... 3D video is one of the areas that I have not really delved into and so I don't technically understand yet why there are glitches.
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M Harris wrote:
On Thursday 24 May 2007 07:21, Jim Flanagan wrote:
In the past I have assumed this was due to me running the base video drivers and not the ATI drivers. But at this point I dunno, and I'm not going to try to install the ATI drivers again
Well, GL-117 flight simulator also will pause (just for a sec) every now and again... running the ATI proprietary driver. I thought it had to do either with my overall memory being too small, or my AGP apature being set too small... 3D video is one of the areas that I have not really delved into and so I don't technically understand yet why there are glitches.
Your experience with GL-117 is better than mine. On Suse 9.3 with the radeon 9000 card, it would definitely pause, long and hard, as in total system crash. The screen would stop, could still see the scene frozen, but no response from the mouse, keyboard or anything. About 20 sec into the game. I haven't tried in on 10.2 yet, as I just got the 9000 working with 3D late last night. Curious to see if it works though. The slight pause (not the crash) has had me wondering for some time. Thanks again for the good help. Jim F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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