[SLE] What odds SuSE talking to IBM to get a SuSE LINUX version of VisualAge for Java?
I use it for OS2 and NT, and have had the least rework of any Java Compiler. Even if on the pay list wishing scsijon -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
scsijon wrote:
I use it for OS2 and NT, and have had the least rework of any Java Compiler.
Even if on the pay list
I've found that installing Visual Age for Java under SuSE anyway works just fine. -- Rachel -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Tue, 01 Feb 2000, Rachel Greenham wrote:
scsijon wrote:
I use it for OS2 and NT, and have had the least rework of any Java Compiler.
See http://www-4.ibm.com/software/ad/vajava/ Poke around and you'll find the Linux version. It's a hefty download as I recall. I'd be interested in hearing opinions on vajava for linux. At San Jose State our first two programming courses are taught in C++ using MS Visual C++ (it's a horror show). We'll likely switch to Java next year and (I hope) have NT/Liinux dual boots in our student labs. Would Linux/vajava work for beginning student programmers?
Even if on the pay list
I've found that installing Visual Age for Java under SuSE anyway works just fine.
-- Rachel
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2000, Rachel Greenham wrote:
scsijon wrote:
I use it for OS2 and NT, and have had the least rework of any Java Compiler.
See http://www-4.ibm.com/software/ad/vajava/ Poke around and you'll find
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From: Kenneth Kellum
Linux version. It's a hefty download as I recall.
I'd be interested in hearing opinions on vajava for linux. At San Jose State our first two programming courses are taught in C++ using MS Visual C++ (it's a horror show). We'll likely switch to Java next year and (I hope) have NT/Liinux dual boots in our student labs. Would Linux/vajava work for beginning student programmers?
The Intro class I took at college taught Java on Windows 95 machines using the standard JDK 1.1.8 kit directly from http://javasoft.com. There was also a Linux version avaiable (a little older 1.1.6) and I install that on my workstation at home. Both builds are free (as in beer) for educational uses (are probably commerical usage as well). Both source and byte code are compatiable between the to differant builds. Most (%95) of the programs I did where using JDK on a Linux machine, the only time I used Win32 was in the labs where it was required for exams. It didn't have a fancy Interface, every thing is command line (For both the Windows 32 and Linux versions), other than that all you need is a decent text editor (vile is avaiable for both platforms as well and it is free (as in both speech and beer)). I think Linux java workstation would work great for beginning student programs. btw I got 103% in the practical and %100 in the 'book' part of the class using Linux for the major part of my learning experince though the class. Linux didn't hinder my learning experience any, and in fact I think it added to what I learned in that class. I think it is a really good idea to use Linux in an educational envoirment like that. Most of the people taking these classes are really learning how computers work, and more importantly, how to look at problems and sisuation differant from the "normal user". I think Linux doesn't both these things. Plus as an added bonus these students will become confident at the command line and renforce their knowledge of Unix in general. Just because you are taking a programing class doesn't mean you can't "practice" you Unix skills as a side bonus. Also the whole point of Java, a cross platform bytecode compatiable launage, was to 'compile once, run anywhere'. It was a really neat experience coding, compiling and debuging my program in Linux then taking it to my teach who then compiled, ran and test the code on a Windows 95 PC without modification. He didn't even know it was developed on a Linux workstation, I didn't tell him, but the program ran just the same (bug for bug : ). If you are a teacher at the higher education level I would strongly urge you to use Linux (or Unix) as much as possiable compared to other commerical products currently avaiable. I am forced to use Windows NT at work, I should atleast be free to use Unix at a place designed for learning. Just because it is popular doesn't mean it should be accepted without review of how it /really/ works and performs. If you can't pull it apart and see what makes it tick, why use it? that is just my voice, I could be wrong, I have been in the past ... many times Jack
Even if on the pay list
I've found that installing Visual Age for Java under SuSE anyway works just fine.
-- Rachel
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What do you call an enlightened hillbilly?
Babba Ram Bubba
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Kenneth Kellum wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2000, Rachel Greenham wrote:
scsijon wrote:
I use it for OS2 and NT, and have had the least rework of any Java Compiler.
See http://www-4.ibm.com/software/ad/vajava/ Poke around and you'll find the Linux version. It's a hefty download as I recall.
I'd be interested in hearing opinions on vajava for linux. At San Jose State our first two programming courses are taught in C++ using MS Visual C++ (it's a horror show). We'll likely switch to Java next year and (I hope) have NT/Liinux dual boots in our student labs. Would Linux/vajava work for beginning student programmers?
Even if on the pay list
I've found that installing Visual Age for Java under SuSE anyway works just fine.
-- Rachel
For me too. It is an excellent Java GUI RAD. It has a nice tutorial in the package, and there is a very nice book and tutorial at the website which you can read online or download. My only complaint with it was the general one about the speed of interpreted Java applets. (I didn't see where you could compile to a binary executable) Download instructions tell you that you need a minimum of a 200MHz machine with 64MB RAM. It ran ok on my P166 with 64MB, once it was loaded. I am somewhat concerned about Java's future, though, given Sun's latest attitude about it and Linux in general. Make no mistake about it, Sun considers Linux a mortal enemy. It is only IBM's presence in the Java realm with VAJ that makes it worth continuing to consider Java, IMHO. Anyway, I just removed VAJava Sunday to make room for KDE's latest beta of KDevelop. It is an awesome tool and has a nice form painter (dialog) too. It includes version control (CVS) and the online (right panel) documentation including syntax for C++ is *very* nice! It even has the option to roll your app up into a gz ball for delivery. JLK
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Fromwhat I could tell in using VAJ in both environments
I forgot to add that I had loaded VAJ on both a 450MHz Win95 box and my SuSE 6.3. they ran identically in every respect. Look, feel, mouse clicks, graphics color and resolution... JLK Jerry L Kreps wrote:
Kenneth Kellum wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2000, Rachel Greenham wrote:
scsijon wrote:
I use it for OS2 and NT, and have had the least rework of any Java Compiler.
See http://www-4.ibm.com/software/ad/vajava/ Poke around and you'll find the Linux version. It's a hefty download as I recall.
I'd be interested in hearing opinions on vajava for linux. At San Jose State our first two programming courses are taught in C++ using MS Visual C++ (it's a horror show). We'll likely switch to Java next year and (I hope) have NT/Liinux dual boots in our student labs. Would Linux/vajava work for beginning student programmers?
Even if on the pay list
I've found that installing Visual Age for Java under SuSE anyway works just fine.
-- Rachel
For me too. It is an excellent Java GUI RAD. It has a nice tutorial in the package, and there is a very nice book and tutorial at the website which you can read online or download. My only complaint with it was the general one about the speed of interpreted Java applets. (I didn't see where you could compile to a binary executable) Download instructions tell you that you need a minimum of a 200MHz machine with 64MB RAM. It ran ok on my P166 with 64MB, once it was loaded. I am somewhat concerned about Java's future, though, given Sun's latest attitude about it and Linux in general. Make no mistake about it, Sun considers Linux a mortal enemy. It is only IBM's presence in the Java realm with VAJ that makes it worth continuing to consider Java, IMHO.
Anyway, I just removed VAJava Sunday to make room for KDE's latest beta of KDevelop. It is an awesome tool and has a nice form painter (dialog) too. It includes version control (CVS) and the online (right panel) documentation including syntax for C++ is *very* nice! It even has the option to roll your app up into a gz ball for delivery. JLK
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I'm so accostomed to having to worry about what version of VC++ and what machine, what you say hadn't occured to me. Hell, it's not at all unusual to see student programs that run in VC++ version 6.0 on a Win98 machine that crash under the same compiler on a WinNT machine. The last time I taught Lisp I enjoyed the fact that DrScheme is virtually identical on Windows, Linux and Solaris. It sure would be nice to have the same portability in our beginning course. On Tue, 01 Feb 2000, Jerry L Kreps wrote:
I forgot to add that I had loaded VAJ on both a 450MHz Win95 box and my SuSE 6.3. From what I could tell in using VAJ in both environments they ran identically in every respect. Look, feel, mouse clicks, graphics color and resolution... JLK
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