I think is a bad policy put in market a new distro so quickly. We sell (and use) SUSE but our buyers aren't happy because 1 month ago they bought 7.1 and now is ready 7.2 I think is better 2 distros by year and then you can upgrade your distro via internet, you can recompile kernel, etc etc. (2 months ago come into spain the 7.1 ) But buyers think you are playing with them. If you copy the policy of RedHat (american vision of the market): put a new version before the competence.... then you have errors, faults, etc etc... I think sUSE needs the european vision: slow but sure.... And stupid can drive at 200 km/h but the most inteligent boy can't stop the car in a second without problems. It's my opinion. *********************************************** ** http://twips.com - info@twips.com ** ************************************************
Well I think they are pressured by Red Hat to copy that model. There's a tremendous culture of mediocrity in the US software world that says the one who ships first wins. Then there is the supposed "success" of the credit and asset bubble of the last few years which has convinced a lot of otherwise intelligent people that if they don't follow the US "business model" they'll fall behind. People in executive circles mostly read the same information sources, the WSJ's etc. of the world. So there is to some extent information asphyxiation when it comes to info that leads to decision making. The cliche, probably true to a large extent, is that CEO's decide based on a magazine article when richer sources of information within the company are ignored. These are the ignored inefficiencies of capitalism with large corporations -- the massive internal information and cooperation inefficiencies of large companies that determine price without being transparent to the market. Then of course SuSE has to establish a constant revenue stream. I don't know what their arrangment is with the VC's, but it's either IPO or a put if it's the normal case... so there is pressure to build up revenue streams. Those are the realities. Hopefully this corrosive business climate does not damage SuSE's quality product. I would adopt a wait-and-see approach. After all, you do not actually need to upgrade to 7.2, or you can wait to do it by ftp. C On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 08:49:29AM +0200, Luis Villaverde wrote:
I think is a bad policy put in market a new distro so quickly.
We sell (and use) SUSE but our buyers aren't happy because 1 month ago they bought 7.1 and now is ready 7.2 I think is better 2 distros by year and then you can upgrade your distro via internet, you can recompile kernel, etc etc. (2 months ago come into spain the 7.1 )
But buyers think you are playing with them.
If you copy the policy of RedHat (american vision of the market): put a new version before the competence.... then you have errors, faults, etc etc... I think sUSE needs the european vision: slow but sure.... And stupid can drive at 200 km/h but the most inteligent boy can't stop the car in a second without problems.
It's my opinion.
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(snipped) Then of course SuSE has to establish a constant revenue stream. I don't know what their arrangment is with the VC's, but it's either IPO or a put if it's the normal case... so there is pressure to build up revenue streams.
Those are the realities. Hopefully this corrosive business climate does not damage SuSE's quality product. I would adopt a wait-and-see approach. After all, you do not actually need to upgrade to 7.2, or you can wait to do it by ftp.
C
My hope is that a well planned version of Linux, with good software engineering/programming is not watered down like Red Hat. I ran Red Hat from 2.0 through 5.0. It was fine early on, and 4.2 runs currently on some of boxes I helped with friends :-) SuSE is different and I have been pleased with SuSE since 5.0 and look forward to buying 7.2 Pro. Specifically, maturity in a disto is metered differently by business versus actual users. That seems to be the break point.
Is up there a good sould to copy a DVD and send it to me? :-) Since I am on isdn 64k (and internet is VERY prices in Slovenia), the online-update is not an option... I wish DVD recorders were cheaper so I could get myself a copy (I wouldn't dare writing that on Microsoft mailing list though) of 7.2 pro... I don't like the CDs since I don't have 3 hours just to switch the CD every 20 minutes or so... Yours, Ziga On Tuesday 12 June 2001 09:29, Dee McKinney wrote:
Corvin Russell
wrote: (snipped) Then of course SuSE has to establish a constant revenue stream. I don't know what their arrangment is with the VC's, but it's either IPO or a put if it's the normal case... so there is pressure to build up revenue streams.
Those are the realities. Hopefully this corrosive business climate does not damage SuSE's quality product. I would adopt a wait-and-see approach. After all, you do not actually need to upgrade to 7.2, or you can wait to do it by ftp.
C
My hope is that a well planned version of Linux, with good software engineering/programming is not watered down like Red Hat. I ran Red Hat from 2.0 through 5.0. It was fine early on, and 4.2 runs currently on some of boxes I helped with friends :-)
SuSE is different and I have been pleased with SuSE since 5.0 and look forward to buying 7.2 Pro. Specifically, maturity in a disto is metered differently by business versus actual users. That seems to be the break point.
Hi, ->I think is a bad policy put in market a new distro so quickly. January is when 7.1 was official done and released..June is when 7.2 is official done and released. 7.1 hit the states 3 weeks later..which is the beginning of Febuary...7.2 will be relesed June 15th..I would expect it to hit 1st week of July. ->We sell (and use) SUSE but our buyers aren't happy because 1 month ago they ->bought 7.1 and now is ready 7.2 Not SuSE's problem. A wait and see attitude (after the review, bug fix releases..etc..is not a valid arguement. ->I think is better 2 distros by year and then you can upgrade your distro ->via internet, you can recompile kernel, etc etc. ->(2 months ago come into spain the 7.1 ) January to June ... June to January ..that's pretty much 6 months. I'm sorry it got to Spain late..it might do so again..so your looking at August..still more then enough of a span of time between releases. ->But buyers think you are playing with them. They believe what salesmen tell them 90% of the time. Explain the above to them and tell them they don't have to upgrade with every release if they do not choose to. Playing with someone and having a pretty well published release schedule doesn't work in this situation. I mean 6.4 was release in April of 2000..then 7.0 was released in September. It's a pretty spread out release cycle. ->If you copy the policy of RedHat (american vision of the market): put a new ->version before the competence.... then you have errors, faults, etc etc... ->I think sUSE needs the european vision: slow but sure.... And stupid can ->drive at 200 km/h but the most inteligent boy can't stop the car in a ->second without problems. Redhat does 2 a year. Mandrake does 2 a year. SuSE does 2 a year. Debian does 1 ever 2 years. *grin* Pick what you like and upgrade as you like. -> ->It's my opinion. -> It's good to have opinions..and there you have mine and the release cycle to back it up. Remember, just because reviews come out 2 months afterwards..and the boxes get to certain places later then others should be a concern when you are dealing with global sales...and these sales are 2 per year...I wouldn't say that was bad. Regards, -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin
On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 12:22:58AM -0700, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
January to June ... June to January ..that's pretty much 6 months. I'm sorry it got to Spain late..it might do so again..so your looking at August..still more then enough of a span of time between releases.
Yeah, it's easy to forget that when you get the boxed set one month
after it's released and the new one is announced one month before it
is released... I guess SuSE's release schedule is not so bad.
C
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Ben Rosenberg
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Corvin Russell
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Dee McKinney
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Luis Villaverde
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Ziga Dolhar