[opensuse] dual boot installation

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[opensuse] hdparm on boot and YaST

Fr David Ousley

4 Nov 2016 4 Nov '16

19:55

I'm trying to install Leap 42.1 on a new Windows 7 laptop. The Yast installer (from verified DVD) will only give me the option of wiping the hard drive and installing Linux without Windows. I'm wondering if there is any way to keep Windows, and dual boot with Linux. Previous installations have always given me that option. Win 7, UEFI, 500 Gig hard drive. Original partitions: System_drv 200 mb, ntfs Windows7_OS, 428.18 gb ntfs Lenovo_D, 25gb ntfs (unlabelled OEM partition) 12.38 Gb When the initial installation attempt failed to give me the option of keeping Windows, I shrank the Windows 7 partition using the Windows disk partioner, so that the Win 7 partition is 214.64 gb, and 213.54 gb is unallocated. The linux installer will not use the unallocated space. I get the same result trying to install 13.2. Installation proceeds normally, until the partition proposal, where I abort. Machine is Lenovo, dualcore i3, 1.7 ghz, 4 gb memory. Is it possible to install a dual boot on this machine? Thanks for your help! Fr Ousley -- St John the Baptist Catholic Church, Bridgeport (formerly St Michael's & Bl J.H. Newman) Fr David Ousley 502 Ford Street Bridgeport, PA 19405 215-247-1092 www.sjbbridgeport.org dao@anglicanphiladelphia.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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jdd

4 Nov 4 Nov

20:03

Le 04/11/2016 à 20:55, Fr David Ousley a écrit :

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Installation proceeds normally, until the partition proposal, where I abort.

why don't you use other partitioning options to install? jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John Andersen

20:13

On 11/04/2016 12:55 PM, Fr David Ousley wrote:

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Installation proceeds normally, until the partition proposal, where I abort.

Is abort the only option available to you? Seems to me you could always take the proposed solution and modify it or choose to use your own partition scheme. There are sooooo many problems with dual boot that I no longer recommend it to anyone who hasn't done it before. It will never be a suitable working environment and your entire machine is at risk from any update to either OS. Switching back and forth is a huge pain. I now recommend just installing free VirtualBox and running experimental OS in a virtual machine. It has utilities to un-virtualize should you decide to toss out windows and go linux permanently. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

20:15

Le 04/11/2016 à 21:13, John Andersen a écrit :

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There are sooooo many problems with dual boot that I no longer recommend it to anyone who hasn't done it before. It will never be a suitable working environment and your entire machine is at risk from any update to either OS. Switching back and forth is a huge pain.

??? not in new UEFI/GPT systems. I use it all the time jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Fr David Ousley

20:39

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Is abort the only option available to you? Seems to me you could always take the proposed solution and modify it or choose to use your own partition scheme.

To modify the proposed partition scheme would require that I reenter the information on the windows partitions manually -- and I fear that I would get a detail wrong and botch the whole thing.

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Carlos E. R.

21:46

On 2016-11-04 21:39, Fr David Ousley wrote:

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Is abort the only option available to you? Seems to me you could always take the proposed solution and modify it or choose to use your own partition scheme.

To modify the proposed partition scheme would require that I reenter the information on the windows partitions manually -- and I fear that I would get a detail wrong and botch the whole thing.

Not at all. If it is asking you to change existing partitions there is something very wrong. You should only need to create new partitions for Linux. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

John Andersen

22:39

On 11/04/2016 02:46 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2016-11-04 21:39, Fr David Ousley wrote:

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Is abort the only option available to you? Seems to me you could always take the proposed solution and modify it or choose to use your own partition scheme.

To modify the proposed partition scheme would require that I reenter the information on the windows partitions manually -- and I fear that I would get a detail wrong and botch the whole thing.

Not at all. If it is asking you to change existing partitions there is something very wrong. You should only need to create new partitions for Linux.

Exactly. Modify means exactly that. Your current proposed scheme is shown to you and you adjust it. You don't re-enter it. You have to (or at least you WANT TO) do your windows shrink outside of linux anyway, and you should come away from that with unallocated space as you mentioned. I haven't a clue why it suggested whacking your windows partition again if there was already unallocated space. Seems like it shouldn't. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done.

Carlos E. R.

22:56

On 2016-11-04 23:39, John Andersen wrote:

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On 11/04/2016 02:46 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2016-11-04 21:39, Fr David Ousley wrote:

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Is abort the only option available to you? Seems to me you could always take the proposed solution and modify it or choose to use your own partition scheme.

To modify the proposed partition scheme would require that I reenter the information on the windows partitions manually -- and I fear that I would get a detail wrong and botch the whole thing.

Not at all. If it is asking you to change existing partitions there is something very wrong. You should only need to create new partitions for Linux.

Exactly. Modify means exactly that. Your current proposed scheme is shown to you and you adjust it. You don't re-enter it.

You have to (or at least you WANT TO) do your windows shrink outside of linux anyway, and you should come away from that with unallocated space as you mentioned. I haven't a clue why it suggested whacking your windows partition again if there was already unallocated space. Seems like it shouldn't.

Felix may be right on: YaST is not seeing a GPT layout, but a traditional partitioning setup with four primaries. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Fr David Ousley

23:06

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Seems to me you could always take the proposed solution and modify it or choose to use your own partition scheme.

Perhaps I was unclear: in the Expert Partioner during the installation,

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 the unallocated space is not mentioned. Here is what is listed: /dev/sda -- the whole drive /dev/sda1 200mb ntfs SYSTEM_DRV /dev/sda2 214.64GB ntfs Windows7_OS /dev/sda3 25GB ntfs LENOVO /dev/sda4 12.38GB Vendor diag ntfs PBR_DRV To compare with the Windows listed: Win 7, UEFI, 500 Gig hard drive. Original partitions: System_drv 200 mb, ntfs Windows7_OS, 428.18 gb ntfs Lenovo_D, 25gb ntfs (unlabelled OEM partition) 12.38 Gb If I want to put Linux on the unallocated space, how do I enter it in the expert partioner?

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To modify the proposed partition scheme would require that I reenter the information on the windows partitions manually -- and I fear that I would get a detail wrong and botch the whole thing.

Not at all. If it is asking you to change existing partitions there is something very wrong. You should only need to create new partitions for Linux.

Exactly. You have to (or at least you WANT TO) do your windows shrink outside of linux anyway, and you should come away from that with unallocated space as you mentioned. I haven't a clue why it suggested whacking your windows partition again if there was already unallocated space. Seems like it shouldn't. I did shrink the Windows partition in Windows.

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Felix Miata

23:20

Fr David Ousley composed on 2016-11-04 19:06 (UTC-0400):

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If I want to put Linux on the unallocated space, how do I enter it in the expert partioner?

That possibility does not exist when 4 primary BIOS (legacy; non-GPT) partitions already exist. When you need more than 5 partitions with BIOS partitioning, one of the first four must be an Extended rather than a "primary". (An Extended is a special primary, one that hosts no filesystem directly.) -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Fr David Ousley

23:27

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That possibility does not exist when 4 primary BIOS (legacy; non-GPT) partitions already exist.

When you need more than 5 partitions with BIOS partitioning, one of the first four must be an Extended rather than a "primary". (An Extended is a special primary, one that hosts no filesystem directly.) This appears to be UEFI rather than BIOS -- at least that is the way the installer treats it.

In any case, is there anyway to get from here to where we want to be. assuming none of the four current partitions is Extended? Thanks. -- St John the Baptist Catholic Church, Bridgeport (formerly St Michael's & Bl J.H. Newman) Fr David Ousley 502 Ford Street Bridgeport, PA 19405 215-247-1092 www.sjbbridgeport.org dao@anglicanphiladelphia.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

23:47

Fr David Ousley composed on 2016-11-04 19:27 (UTC-0400):

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That possibility does not exist when 4 primary BIOS (legacy; non-GPT) partitions already exist.

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When you need more than 5 partitions with BIOS partitioning, one of the first four must be an Extended rather than a "primary". (An Extended is a special primary, one that hosts no filesystem directly.)

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This appears to be UEFI rather than BIOS -- at least that is the way the installer treats it.

UEFI and GPT are not the same thing. UEFI is boot process and motherboard firmware. GPT is storage device partitioning specification. BIOS is both boot process/firmware and name of legacy storage device partitioning specification.

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In any case, is there anyway to get from here to where we want to be. assuming none of the four current partitions is Extended?

Only way I'm familiar with is by deleting an existing partition. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2016-11/msg00053.html If you delete sda3 or sda4 then YaST can create an extended in the freespace made available when you resized sda2 using Windows. There is such a thing is converting BIOS partitioning to GPT partitioning, but whether that's viable for your situation I have no idea. http://tinyurl.com/jrqbogx -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Fr David Ousley

5 Nov 5 Nov

01:44

In any case, is there anyway to get from here to where we want to be.

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assuming none of the four current partitions is Extended?

Only way I'm familiar with is by deleting an existing partition. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2016-11/msg00053.html

If you delete sda3 or sda4 then YaST can create an extended in the freespace made available when you resized sda2 using Windows.

I think you have found the problem, and given me a solution. Thanks! Also thanks for your explanation of BIOS/UEFI. -- St John the Baptist Catholic Church, Bridgeport (formerly St Michael's & Bl J.H. Newman) Fr David Ousley 502 Ford Street Bridgeport, PA 19405 215-247-1092 www.sjbbridgeport.org dao@anglicanphiladelphia.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Fr David Ousley

01:50

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Only way I'm familiar with is by deleting an existing partition. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2016-11/msg00053.html

I should have noted that fdisk does not list any of the four partitions as Extended. So we seem to be up against the four partition limit.

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If you delete sda3 or sda4 then YaST can create an extended in the freespace made available when you resized sda2 using Windows.

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Carlos E. R.

02:25

On 2016-11-05 02:50, Fr David Ousley wrote:

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Only way I'm familiar with is by deleting an existing partition. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2016-11/msg00053.html

I should have noted that fdisk does not list any of the four partitions as Extended. So we seem to be up against the four partition limit.

Can you paste here exactly the fdisk -l output? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Fr David Ousley

11:48

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Can you paste here exactly the fdisk -l output?

Disk /dev/sda: 465.8 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes Disklabel type: dos Disk identifier: 0x5b171916 Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type /dev/sda1 * 2048 411647 409600 200M 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda2 411648 450545663 450134016 214.7G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda3 898375680 950804479 52428800 25G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda4 950804480 976771071 25966592 12.4G 12 Compaq diagnostics Disk /dev/loop0: 43.8 MiB, 45875200 bytes, 89600 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk /dev/loop1: 8 MiB, 8388608 bytes, 16384 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk /dev/loop2: 54.7 MiB, 57344000 bytes, 112000 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk /dev/loop3: 60.9 MiB, 63832064 bytes, 124672 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk /dev/loop4: 4.1 MiB, 4325376 bytes, 8448 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk /dev/loop5: 5 MiB, 5242880 bytes, 10240 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk /dev/loop6: 128 KiB, 131072 bytes, 256 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk /dev/sdb: 59 GiB, 63350767616 bytes, 123731968 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disklabel type: dos Disk identifier: 0x52fca5f6 - -- St John the Baptist Catholic Church, Bridgeport (formerly St Michael's & Bl J.H. Newman) Fr David Ousley 502 Ford Street Bridgeport, PA 19405 215-247-1092 www.sjbbridgeport.org dao@anglicanphiladelphia.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJYHccSAAoJEPpKlOdMB7KtjWoP/3yoQTaiN4LjEP7JzuPderDs tUBsZy4EdPRYcWNprcQWsDgBbsxHfI8bkKMGU7ONwBvMxJNaU5wxqWSTYt8tbf3D hmmHmaoa1rgAtBW2lSVh1EVtyzpQyfVnjnpienFLv9e8WK9qlU3oeJt8rw7/t8Rj t9wdxCfWt2pgPGMvpgNlpoDo7lmV4Q5CZJg945jMvaw8MECTBmTXtoiyOCcqFltJ 7dpOaVQ25/U0f0GKirt2IwPbj5MjeayCcqyh/KnVQ7p2b/AiqdgylvjYiKMQ7t7G /IrV8O248g9DHyi++qOpgqDqK/6lbEj2RBZGJ2u1Spebw8SUEwackk//4H+JkBnU JnXWT3HIh9Edg9FnWmzGo94DrB7cSAbwilSz2GT22bLBPBgCrSTO+qUHglcYd5wS y5hmZ6k26NgFyzzqFd7i1sIv33/9IBJ7U+V7AUHE4rcmw8RqtPvROSaqmEN/OcFR EZbIKbGrwUGWvGSWsphf5qiMyVlItP39iflcvRJlUgMQYtF/s0hWsjzzd2GnyZT7 v/qid8Ha9Mx59esSVv7tSaheM9rvgJTfWQ/nqfSkF2+JLrsmMUaFADj95OlZCn3c PHoqJcMKov3Z9Mbavx6A1IePzC007f+6plj8bzlVkxROd0ST3q/3dzPLSIfXCQu7 IooLnsJ7xBWPFU/taBSh =gIXB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

13:47

On 2016-11-05 12:48, Fr David Ousley wrote:

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Can you paste here exactly the fdisk -l output?

Disk /dev/sda: 465.8 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes Disklabel type: dos Disk identifier: 0x5b171916

Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type /dev/sda1 * 2048 411647 409600 200M 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda2 411648 450545663 450134016 214.7G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda3 898375680 950804479 52428800 25G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda4 950804480 976771071 25966592 12.4G 12 Compaq diagnostics

Ok, it is a plain standard traditional partition table, not GPT, nor hybrid. You need to delete one partition (or move to logical: it might be possible, I'm not sure). The typical candidate is the windows backup partition. Of course, you must copy the entire disk to an image backup (perhaps with clonezilla) for two reasons: if windows is broken and you need to restore it, you need a backup to restore it without using the backup partition that you deleted. And, in case of having to return the machine in warranty, it is better if you can restore the disk to its original status. A backup after you manage to install Linux is also practical. If it is a new computer and has UEFI I don't see why it does not use it and GPT. One reason maybe that for Windows 7 they just use the method they prepared several years ago and have not remade it. Ie, use some batch imaging program. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Fr David Ousley

14:52

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Disk /dev/sda: 465.8 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes Disklabel type: dos Disk identifier: 0x5b171916

Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type /dev/sda1 * 2048 411647 409600 200M 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda2 411648 450545663 450134016 214.7G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda3 898375680 950804479 52428800 25G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda4 950804480 976771071 25966592 12.4G 12 Compaq diagnostics

Ok, it is a plain standard traditional partition table, not GPT, nor hybrid.

You need to delete one partition (or move to logical: it might be possible, I'm not sure). The typical candidate is the windows backup partition. Of course, you must copy the entire disk to an image backup (perhaps with clonezilla) for two reasons: if windows is broken and you need to restore it, you need a backup to restore it without using the backup partition that you deleted. And, in case of having to return the machine in warranty, it is better if you can restore the disk to its original status.

A backup after you manage to install Linux is also practical.

If it is a new computer and has UEFI I don't see why it does not use it and GPT. One reason maybe that for Windows 7 they just use the method they prepared several years ago and have not remade it. Ie, use some batch imaging program. Thanks -- you've given me a good solution to the problem, and I shall

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Carlos E. R.

20:37

On 2016-11-05 15:52, Fr David Ousley wrote:

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Thanks -- you've given me a good solution to the problem, and I shall proceed accordingly.

Welcome! A comment: it appears that you use a PGP signature, but you have not uploaded it to the keyservers, which makes it impossible to verify it. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Felix Miata

21:05

Fr David Ousley composed on 2016-11-05 10:52 (UTC-0400):

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Carlos E. R. composed on 2016-11-05 14:47 (UTC+0100):

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You need to delete one partition

Same thing I alluded to 17 hours before Carlos: https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2016-11/msg00053.html And made explicit 14 hours before Carlos: https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2016-11/msg00070.html Acknowledged 2 hours subsequent by OP.

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Thanks -- you've given me a good solution to the problem, and I shall proceed accordingly.

The problem was evident in the OP. YaST can't create a new partition as long as 4 BIOS/MBR primaries exist. If the existing 4 weren't BIOS/MBR partitions, YaST wouldn't have done any objecting. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

21:28

On 2016-11-05 22:05, Felix Miata wrote:

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Fr David Ousley composed on 2016-11-05 10:52 (UTC-0400):

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Carlos E. R. composed on 2016-11-05 14:47 (UTC+0100):

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You need to delete one partition

Same thing I alluded to 17 hours before Carlos:

Yes :-)

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The problem was evident in the OP. YaST can't create a new partition as long as 4 BIOS/MBR primaries exist. If the existing 4 weren't BIOS/MBR partitions, YaST wouldn't have done any objecting.

Correct. I simply did not remember it at first. I was thinking of other possible causes. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Felix Miata

4 Nov 4 Nov

20:31

Fr David Ousley composed on 2016-11-04 15:55 (UTC-0400):

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I'm trying to install Leap 42.1 on a new Windows 7 laptop. The Yast installer (from verified DVD) will only give me the option of wiping the hard drive and installing Linux without Windows. I'm wondering if there is any way to keep Windows, and dual boot with Linux. Previous installations have always given me that option.

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Win 7, UEFI, 500 Gig hard drive. Original partitions: System_drv 200 mb, ntfs Windows7_OS, 428.18 gb ntfs Lenovo_D, 25gb ntfs (unlabelled OEM partition) 12.38 Gb

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When the initial installation attempt failed to give me the option of keeping Windows, I shrank the Windows 7 partition using the Windows disk partioner, so that the Win 7 partition is 214.64 gb, and 213.54 gb is unallocated. The linux installer will not use the unallocated space.

Start installation once more. When you reach the license agreement screen, type in Ctrl-Alt-F2. At the prompt, type: fdisk -l If the output includes: Disklabel type: dos and the listed devices are /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2/, /dev/sda3 and /dev/sda4 and the string: Extended is nowhere to be seen, then no more partitions can be created without deleting an existing partition, because the disk is using legacy BIOS partition tables, and the number of partitions limited to 4 unless one of them is Extended.

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I get the same result trying to install 13.2.

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Installation proceeds normally, until the partition proposal, where I abort.

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Machine is Lenovo, dualcore i3, 1.7 ghz, 4 gb memory.

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Is it possible to install a dual boot on this machine?

Only by deleting an existing partition, which the YaST partitioner can do if you switch back to YaST with Ctrl-Alt-F7 or just Alt-F7. Before deleting the "unlabelled OEM partition" you may wish to make an image backup of it for future use. If it was mine and I was trying to do what you propose, I'd get another HD same size or larger, clone the existing to the other, then replace the original with the other before proceeding to install openSUSE. That permits you do deal with Lenovo warranty problem(s) more easily should any arise. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Andrei Borzenkov

5 Nov 5 Nov

06:49

Отправлено с iPhone

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4 нояб. 2016 г., в 23:55, Fr David Ousley написал(а):

I'm trying to install Leap 42.1 on a new Windows 7 laptop. The Yast installer (from verified DVD) will only give me the option of wiping the hard drive and installing Linux without Windows. I'm wondering if there is any way to keep Windows, and dual boot with Linux. Previous installations have always given me that option.

Win 7, UEFI, 500 Gig hard drive. Original partitions: System_drv 200 mb, ntfs Windows7_OS, 428.18 gb ntfs Lenovo_D, 25gb ntfs (unlabelled OEM partition) 12.38 Gb

That cannot be UEFI, ESP is missing. And if it is not UEFI, and it is Windows, it is MBR which means you probably are out of primary partitions as was already mentioned. There is no way to fix it without either deleting one of existing partitions (they likely cannot be logical, and I won't be surprised if their numbers are hardcoded, at least recovery and OEM) or moving Windows to logical partition. How to do it is best asked on Windows forums. As you won't be able to use recovery partition without wiping your Linux anyway, I'd chose it for removing.

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When the initial installation attempt failed to give me the option of keeping Windows, I shrank the Windows 7 partition using the Windows disk partioner, so that the Win 7 partition is 214.64 gb, and 213.54 gb is unallocated. The linux installer will not use the unallocated space.

I get the same result trying to install 13.2.

Installation proceeds normally, until the partition proposal, where I abort.

Machine is Lenovo, dualcore i3, 1.7 ghz, 4 gb memory.

Is it possible to install a dual boot on this machine?

Thanks for your help!

Fr Ousley

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Billie Walsh

11:21

When I want to dual boot I use Windows to resize and create a partition before I start the install. That gives a clean partition to install into. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

13:52

On 2016-11-05 12:21, Billie Walsh wrote:

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When I want to dual boot I use Windows to resize and create a partition before I start the install. That gives a clean partition to install into.

Creating a new partition when all 4 are in use is not trivial. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Billie Walsh

14:23

On 11/05/2016 08:52 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2016-11-05 12:21, Billie Walsh wrote:

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When I want to dual boot I use Windows to resize and create a partition before I start the install. That gives a clean partition to install into. Creating a new partition when all 4 are in use is not trivial.

Windows knows best how to work with itself. Using Windows to resize and create a partition works better than using a third party, ie Linux, partition manager. At least that has always been my experience. I don't remember his exact partition scheme but I would resize the 400+ partition into two and use half for Opensuse. Windows will still have what it wants and the recover partition is intact if it's ever needed for Windows. Conversely, use Windows to create a recovery set of DVD's and delete the recovery partition. Then use Windows to repartition the drive using the free space created and part of the main Windows partition. The down side of this is that if you ever have to use the recovery set you will lose Opensuse. My best solution is to buy a 1T drive, clone Windows to it and then do the above. You could wind up with somewhere about 500G each -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

23:11

On 2016-11-05 15:23, Billie Walsh wrote:

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On 11/05/2016 08:52 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2016-11-05 12:21, Billie Walsh wrote:

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When I want to dual boot I use Windows to resize and create a partition before I start the install. That gives a clean partition to install into. Creating a new partition when all 4 are in use is not trivial.

Windows knows best how to work with itself. Using Windows to resize and create a partition works better than using a third party, ie Linux, partition manager. At least that has always been my experience.

Windows or Linux, it does not matter. You simply can not create a single partition more when you have four primary partitions already, period. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Felix Miata

6 Nov 6 Nov

00:45

Carlos E. R. composed on 2016-11-06 00:11 (UTC+0100):

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You simply can not create a single partition more when you have four primary partitions already, period.

In slang or without your "period", yes. Otherwise, it's not that simple, so not exactly. Every table entry in a BIOS disk MBR, regardless of type, is a primary. That includes an Extended. A partition is a "primary" precisely _because_ it's defined by an entry in an MBR table. More precisely, one cannot add another partition to a BIOS/MBR disk if 4 primaries already exist thereon, and none of those that exist is a valid Extended. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

01:15

On 2016-11-06 01:45, Felix Miata wrote:

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Carlos E. R. composed on 2016-11-06 00:11 (UTC+0100):

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You simply can not create a single partition more when you have four primary partitions already, period.

In slang or without your "period", yes. Otherwise, it's not that simple, so not exactly.

Yes, of course, I intentionally omitted mentioning logical partitions, for which one of the primaries has to be an extended partition. Ie, one of the primary partitions is labelled as "extended" and then divided in as many chunks as we want, which we name as "logical partitions". Still, the bios only sees 4 (AFAIK). All that is the "non trivial" mentioned in a previous message :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

jdd

07:29

Le 06/11/2016 à 01:45, Felix Miata a écrit :

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More precisely, one cannot add another partition to a BIOS/MBR disk if 4 primaries already exist thereon, and none of those that exist is a valid Extended.

many people where confused because the OP said "UEFI" in his first post. there is a bit more. in msdos, AFAIK, extended partition (as the others) have to be in only one segment, it can't be split. So, say that you use the 12Gb partition and remove it. These 12Gb are probably lost, if you want to use the 100+ Gb free space if the two are not contiguous. It's not very important, but could be in some circumstances. There may be some other solutions, like moving the msdos disk to GPT, moving partition boudaries and the like, but even if I see some infos on this on the net, I'm not experienced enough on windows to do so. also some recent laptops have msata extra ports - I was lucky enough to buy a €80 second hand computer (dell vostro) that have this and I could install a second hand msata 60Gb €25 ssd and install openSUSE 42.2 on it dunno if many laptops have it jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

10:20

On 2016-11-06 08:29, jdd wrote:

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Le 06/11/2016 à 01:45, Felix Miata a écrit :

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More precisely, one cannot add another partition to a BIOS/MBR disk if 4 primaries already exist thereon, and none of those that exist is a valid Extended.

many people where confused because the OP said "UEFI" in his first post.

there is a bit more.

in msdos, AFAIK, extended partition (as the others) have to be in only one segment, it can't be split.

So, say that you use the 12Gb partition and remove it. These 12Gb are probably lost, if you want to use the 100+ Gb free space if the two are not contiguous.

Some software can move the remaining partitions (and renumber), leaving one space at the end. I think I saw the possibility of moving from primary to logical; but logical partitions need reserve a space for the pointer to the next partition, so there is a size difference to account for. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Fr David Ousley

7 Nov 7 Nov

17:20

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I deleted one of the primary partitions (since one was used for data, I just moved what was in it to the other Windows partition, so nothing is actually lost there.) The YAST installer still wants to delete everything and wipe the disk. So first question is whether there is a way to get it to propose what I want -- keeping Windows and putting linux on the unused space. If I (in the expert partitioner) create an extended partition, and then create swap, root and home partitions, and set the Windows partition to /boot/efi, I get these error messages: Some subvolumes of the root filesystem are shadowed by mount points of other filesystems. Installation will encounter problems when booting because the disk on which your /boot partition is located does not contain a GPT disk label. Solutions? (If you need further information, let me know what. I'm not experienced with the partitionary.) Thanks. On 11/06/2016 05:20 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2016-11-06 08:29, jdd wrote:

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Le 06/11/2016 à 01:45, Felix Miata a écrit :

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More precisely, one cannot add another partition to a BIOS/MBR disk if 4 primaries already exist thereon, and none of those that exist is a valid Extended.

many people where confused because the OP said "UEFI" in his first post.

there is a bit more.

in msdos, AFAIK, extended partition (as the others) have to be in only one segment, it can't be split.

So, say that you use the 12Gb partition and remove it. These 12Gb are probably lost, if you want to use the 100+ Gb free space if the two are not contiguous.

Some software can move the remaining partitions (and renumber), leaving one space at the end. I think I saw the possibility of moving from primary to logical; but logical partitions need reserve a space for the pointer to the next partition, so there is a size difference to account for.

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Carlos E. R.

18:43

On 2016-11-07 18:20, Fr David Ousley wrote:

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I deleted one of the primary partitions (since one was used for data, I just moved what was in it to the other Windows partition, so nothing is actually lost there.)

The YAST installer still wants to delete everything and wipe the disk. So first question is whether there is a way to get it to propose what I want -- keeping Windows and putting linux on the unused space.

If I (in the expert partitioner) create an extended partition, and then create swap, root and home partitions, and set the Windows partition to /boot/efi, I get these error messages:

Why do you create /boot/efi? You are not using EFI, you are using traditional partitioning and boot code. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Fr David Ousley

19:05

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Why do you create /boot/efi? You are not using EFI, you are using traditional partitioning and boot code.

Because otherwise I get the message With the current setup your openSUSE installation will encounter problems when booting, because you have no FAT partition mounted on /boot/efi. This will cause severe problems with the normal boot setup. - -- St John the Baptist Catholic Church, Bridgeport (formerly St Michael's & Bl J.H. Newman) Fr David Ousley 502 Ford Street Bridgeport, PA 19405 215-247-1092 www.sjbbridgeport.org dao@anglicanphiladelphia.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJYINB0AAoJEPpKlOdMB7KtvPEP/3tqdjRlw62BXfarYOrFz8h/ 8qagwvr2/Ey3Ltr1HK9dMuOrnIzh3le2OhF/glaN8Y4Y0voot7CCRV/JlqwGnB28 cayhK6sClrMJkM+nWc384+1ZmCYqD0FnlJ8Yw+mRkMKrSYyiMjwlZajd8SrpVMBm E1aCht14vE+06MGfjoWA7C3hMBHlCwRORqQUHHtNmb9dvZ3fXKYessdEFH64NxYd mQBnL55qinLI8ix03BpdikYRNq5m44iOJh5N57Q4ctUnhJG7AVsPas9J7dtLpuxW LD4Ei7VuQe5TvTl8nL0H71yvnU4dY+3BP3U1iVMEMjaxTGcOC11g4cBJECOAl5CX D3agJ4FbOfzcBN2aukQ5vsCBxfUn0kaDTg0GA6kOKB1//6G3DjIs15qG4VdQCtwe MQJN9N3DDkuojMn9lOPvAlNaZ20NzahtBBFJ4Ur2ZgREBkDIegiYKVQ4aAdiX0Nz udW6ElO4/ChDwChZXgbzXJPtcNLmWiq2tZ6gpvSwJJIRRgjNRqy++mrlmwO9JS3b cxjex3Qyi+yFNNk9HLqSG6NfuZtxPbfozeeUX9c2GEEzQLEcePGGXesJXevUBety aRLeNFs0csgju9Ir8UhWtx49UajBifq/mpuPH89ILGsdc2pXIXx29G2gPVeTGcN9 lOKVs1Q3sWmqnLsmOnDe =LNnb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

19:57

Fr David Ousley composed on 2016-11-07 12:20 (UTC-0500):

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I deleted one of the primary partitions (since one was used for data, I just moved what was in it to the other Windows partition, so nothing is actually lost there.)

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The YAST installer still wants to delete everything and wipe the disk. So first question is whether there is a way to get it to propose what I want -- keeping Windows and putting linux on the unused space.

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If I (in the expert partitioner) create an extended partition, and then create swap, root and home partitions, and set the Windows partition to /boot/efi,

Why are you setting any Windows partition to anything? Are you actually booting your MBR HD[1] in UEFI mode? In pure expert mode, no partitions are selected for mounting. You must select each to have done what you wish at mount time. What eventually goes into the Grub menu is an entirely separate process. You might be best off to create your partitioning in advance of attempting to begin installing openSUSE. It's what I always do. When partitioning in advance, all that's necessary in the openSUSE partitioner is to select what gets mounted where and whether each is to be formatted or not. In any event, you may find it easier to select partition type EXT4 for / and /home instead of the rather immature can of worms that is the default type BTRFS. Before proceeding, search BTRFS to see the many issues arising since the change in default.

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I get these error messages:

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Some subvolumes of the root filesystem are shadowed by mount points of other filesystems.

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Installation will encounter problems when booting because the disk on which your /boot partition is located does not contain a GPT disk label.

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Solutions? (If you need further information, let me know what. I'm not experienced with the partitionary.) Thanks.

Seems to me you may be a victim of this: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=547703 https://features.opensuse.org/308150 At this screen: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/YaST/422/yastI-PrtSugPrt422-0768.jpg "Expert Partitioner" on the "Suggested Partitioning" screen doesn't really mean what it seems to mean. Instead, select "Create Partition Setup", which produces: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/YaST/422/yastI-PrtCreate422-0768.jpg where the selection to make to get into the real expert mode is "Custom Partitioning (for experts)", producing these screens: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/YaST/422/yastI-PrtExpert422-0768.jpg http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/YaST/422/yastI-PrtCustomInsSumStart422-0768.jpg Note the latter has selected "Installation Summary", while the former has selected "sda" under "Hard Disks". If you select "Expert Partitioner" on the "Suggested Partitioning" screen, instead of the above, you see instead of dire warnings in red something with a lot more info, like this: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/YaST/422/yastI-PrtExpSugInsSum422Start-0768.jpg [1] https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2016-11/msg00062.html -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Fr David Ousley

20:27

You might be best off to create your partitioning in advance of attempting to begin installing openSUSE. It's what I always do. When partitioning in advance, all that's necessary in the openSUSE partitioner is to select what gets mounted where and whether each is to be formatted or not. For one who only does installations infrequently: how should I go about partitioning in advance of installing openSUSE?

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In any event, you may find it easier to select partition type EXT4 for / and /home instead of the rather immature can of worms that is the default type BTRFS. Before proceeding, search BTRFS to see the many issues arising since the change in default.

Thanks.

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I get these error messages:

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Some subvolumes of the root filesystem are shadowed by mount points of other filesystems.

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Installation will encounter problems when booting because the disk on which your /boot partition is located does not contain a GPT disk label.

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Solutions? (If you need further information, let me know what. I'm not experienced with the partitionary.) Thanks.

"Expert Partitioner" on the "Suggested Partitioning" screen doesn't really mean what it seems to mean. Instead, select "Create Partition Setup", which produces: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/YaST/422/yastI-PrtCreate422-0768.jpg

where the selection to make to get into the real expert mode is "Custom Partitioning (for experts)", producing these screens: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/YaST/422/yastI-PrtExpert422-0768.jpg http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/YaST/422/yastI-PrtCustomInsSumStart422-0768.jpg

This is actually what I did. Doing this shows only the 3 existing Windows partitions. When I attempt to add swap, root and home (under an extended partition), as described, then I get the warnings. Apologies for being unclear about "expert partioner." -- St John the Baptist Catholic Church, Bridgeport (formerly St Michael's & Bl J.H. Newman) Fr David Ousley 502 Ford Street Bridgeport, PA 19405 215-247-1092 www.sjbbridgeport.org dao@anglicanphiladelphia.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

21:06

Fr David Ousley composed on 2016-11-07 15:27 (UTC-0500):

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For one who only does installations infrequently: how should I go about partitioning in advance of installing openSUSE?

One URI specifically designed to answer such question: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch03s05.html.en There are many many options. One need not boot any particular OS to do so. Even Windows disk manager can do it, though you'd prefer to only to create, not format. Don't be concerned about the types Window creates. Linux installers such as openSUSE's will change them appropriately when selecting as Linux targets for formatting/mounting. I use a non-free app called DFSee http://www.dfsee.com/, which comes with separate binaries for DOS, OS/2, Windows, Linux and Mac, so it makes little difference what I have booted when I want to use it. Generally with a HD that has no existing partitions I boot Knoppix and use a Linux DFSee binary. Other options are included on the Ultimatebootcd and various distro's installation and other bootable media, e.g. parted, gparted, fdisk, sfdisk, gdisk, parted magic among them. Something else like http://www.easeus.com/partition-manager/epm-free.html might be easy in your case by being able to run it for free from Win7. Maybe a look at http://fm.no-ip.com/PC/partitioningindex.html would be useful to you.

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...When I attempt to add swap, root and home (under an extended partition), as described, then I get the warnings.

Are Windows and the "BIOS" (motherboard firmware) set to boot in UEFI mode? I don't boot anything here in UEFI mode, so can't test such scenarios. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Fr David Ousley

22:30

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Are Windows and the "BIOS" (motherboard firmware) set to boot in UEFI mode? I don't boot anything here in UEFI mode, so can't test such scenarios.

The openSUSE installer (when I boot from the install disk) shows the UEFI -related menu, as described in the openSUSE installation instructions, rather than the BIOS one. -- St John the Baptist Catholic Church, Bridgeport (formerly St Michael's & Bl J.H. Newman) Fr David Ousley 502 Ford Street Bridgeport, PA 19405 215-247-1092 www.sjbbridgeport.org dao@anglicanphiladelphia.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

22:53

On 2016-11-07 23:30, Fr David Ousley wrote:

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Are Windows and the "BIOS" (motherboard firmware) set to boot in UEFI mode? I don't boot anything here in UEFI mode, so can't test such scenarios.

The openSUSE installer (when I boot from the install disk) shows the UEFI -related menu, as described in the openSUSE installation instructions, rather than the BIOS one.

*** You need the BIOS one. That's the problem. *** You said that your partition table (fdisk -l) was this: Disk /dev/sda: 465.8 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes Disklabel type: dos Disk identifier: 0x5b171916 Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type /dev/sda1 * 2048 411647 409600 200M 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda2 411648 450545663 450134016 214.7G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda3 898375680 950804479 52428800 25G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda4 950804480 976771071 25966592 12.4G 12 Compaq diagnostics You deleted one partition (I don't know which one). You should paste your current partition table again. The free space must be contiguous. The above partition table, with Windows 7, has to be booted in BIOS mode. Be sure that your bios is set accordingly (legacy, probably). If the installation disk boots in EFI mode, it expects a GPT partition table, which it does not see, and thus wants to delete it all. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Fr David Ousley

23:18

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*** You need the BIOS one. That's the problem. ***

How do I get the BIOS one to load? When booting into Windows, there is no BIOS prompt, and if I hit delete when the boot starts, I get Windows Boot Manager, where the only choices are Windows 7 and Windows Memory Diagnostic: none of the usual BIOS options.

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The above partition table, with Windows 7, has to be booted in BIOS

mode. Be sure that your bios is set accordingly (legacy, probably). If the installation disk boots in EFI mode, it expects a GPT partition table, which it does not see, and thus wants to delete it all.

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Current partition table: Disk /dev/sda: 465.8 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes Disklabel type: dos Disk identifier: 0x5b171916 Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type /dev/sda1 * 2048 411647 409600 200M 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda2 411648 450545663 450134016 214.7G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda3 950804480 976771071 25966592 12.4G 12 Compaq diagnostics It was suggested that I partition the free space first (with g-parted, e.g.) before installing openSUSE, but if you are right about UEFI/BIOS, with that work? - -- St John the Baptist Catholic Church, Bridgeport (formerly St Michael's & Bl J.H. Newman) Fr David Ousley 502 Ford Street Bridgeport, PA 19405 215-247-1092 www.sjbbridgeport.org dao@anglicanphiladelphia.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJYIQvfAAoJEPpKlOdMB7Kt300P/1IsWjJEVv3d7SU+4NACTBHe 3g7QZqqgHPLw5kNWnFTJPZPH5+kThUV5A6gyKaYKz6wYCiukw037Rd4VB7y5PQET g+YMWcLYihTVA2ZVNqlU8aCiAEi0X2U//7SYZFdjVmVwZHW0lDMeAIiy75C7Req1 7HuKhCn0xXqFzGkT2llDo2NxdYQo03N06FGaAnYszJD1+cpK9s+BXugoEvppfhEx nOyr3cCGXUInhvMKM+IZBDwDE9wUQ5syaOkP70Tn0QDoGjC2iJ5Q20vLohT1Esjq zjhxrpi+2WeZz4aCWcKpbM3SectLfqRA80dHStQOn8XuarhjxW3JnMfa485ymkMC ejiiQgQveCX90ufJ8jTz+EVwsvZwpzDdUMm8u4R9SYGpO7fTYG3XlnNbQoS4WmMe u43C7Nb41rJfvj1ai4rCerv2gKm2l2UWIo7dRsSMFpZ2g/Wiewcvk0zqoQOykceq Xfdk9QOY+JbVCieslU6XQ0wBL21yyve4VC0Z771mzBr01uOzStHjh0F11Xe9Gskv NMvuQD732AXkqIBl6ExqUmANdGW1eHtzlu8HCaS10Vu+RkjZC5omm3y2qgctglvd V+eAd+3W1bHSqajGw3Tt/vDG3Y8FTQKAbcUQwCGqWcSkU7K1+izWqJYntVpzOtvA yUkbkHdHG/cJE2AhXm7Q =RmOT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

23:49

On 2016-11-08 00:18, Fr David Ousley wrote:

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*** You need the BIOS one. That's the problem. ***

How do I get the BIOS one to load?

When booting into Windows, there is no BIOS prompt, and if I hit delete when the boot starts, I get Windows Boot Manager, where the only choices are Windows 7 and Windows Memory Diagnostic: none of the usual BIOS options.

Oh. You have one of those computers. :-/ At this point I would consider returning the machine. No kidding. I don't know. Maybe you can configure the BIOS from inside Windows. I have seen this on some Windows 10 machines. What brand and model is that machine? Maybe someone knows.

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The above partition table, with Windows 7, has to be booted in BIOS mode. Be sure that your bios is set accordingly (legacy, probably). If the installation disk boots in EFI mode, it expects a GPT partition table, which it does not see, and thus wants to delete it all.

Current partition table:

Disk /dev/sda: 465.8 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes Disklabel type: dos Disk identifier: 0x5b171916

Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type /dev/sda1 * 2048 411647 409600 200M 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda2 411648 450545663 450134016 214.7G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda3 950804480 976771071 25966592 12.4G 12 Compaq diagnostics

So, there is free space between sda2 and 3.

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It was suggested that I partition the free space first (with g-parted, e.g.) before installing openSUSE, but if you are right about UEFI/BIOS, with that work?

I think not. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Carlos E. R.

23:51

On 2016-11-08 00:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2016-11-08 00:18, Fr David Ousley wrote:

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*** You need the BIOS one. That's the problem. ***

How do I get the BIOS one to load?

When booting into Windows, there is no BIOS prompt, and if I hit delete when the boot starts, I get Windows Boot Manager, where the only choices are Windows 7 and Windows Memory Diagnostic: none of the usual BIOS options.

Oh. You have one of those computers. :-/

At this point I would consider returning the machine. No kidding.

Read this other thread: [opensuse] Howto boot HP elitebook 8760w in legacy mode? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Fr David Ousley

8 Nov 8 Nov

00:00

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Oh. You have one of those computers. :-/

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At this point I would consider returning the machine. No kidding.

That's why I'm trying to get this done before the 15 days is up. Thanks.

Read this other thread:

[opensuse] Howto boot HP elitebook 8760w in legacy mode?

alas, I could not find that thread (looked on list and forums) - -- St John the Baptist Catholic Church, Bridgeport (formerly St Michael's & Bl J.H. Newman) Fr David Ousley 502 Ford Street Bridgeport, PA 19405 215-247-1092 www.sjbbridgeport.org dao@anglicanphiladelphia.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJYIRW7AAoJEPpKlOdMB7KtlGcQAIemseDQEcbPM1BL2/5OfV++ fQKLF4f0lA33LWzI5dBczckZHU9zYdKULcmh3GIAektEpzuhFig0T+x2zOQ/LW+f zWXksJhMTETqB42hmmlPt/FesP2tUQypVrEUU4Uid7VjvR3/ZVXc0fy5N04Ya1A3 qnZRuV9ie0VUij4yC4vnA1v5aQSurgCCdXSNloAy8m6GC9mnPLlp3SS7I5U3Ugpt YO5UUx2u45IDc6sPSy77a8X/hTm/GuihfY9aOPceFC16jOtLhAw3QSQdbYunefrW FGH0uDAvMSdX5e5wrQZRVkD7bDvs+pVfpQE4+dgUV9b/SknqOsGitE7jBsSi7bQL hCYJ4knah8PyLJDMKsPX/tQ+218kIV7pVR6OGlTSz+6G7Hm0bvELFrIRYn9u4wXD KxjOq7hC63y5U0q0qwnn83ItuSHoAM6u45nkTaJfKeOu87jZRz6F7NwcTabMU90z G7WUwR5ldBBIIQBsAit3FEYYJG/BWZYvO666MxrKxbxDCi4U73Hyqc9C4bLe63W0 JZxhPykEEd//FAscXaDonq+/DR4hArUktxUQd479uQ4dhZZuR/17Bnux0RephxC7 YEjz/X0HbjksZBhXD06BTj4TotcnZTQ3uBJufvztPd7iLoJcxDatsrNBw5bXbc7r 70xnka+H3OK2rxn8bzJ+ =LQSD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

01:52

On 2016-11-08 01:00, Fr David Ousley wrote:

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Oh. You have one of those computers. :-/

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At this point I would consider returning the machine. No kidding.

That's why I'm trying to get this done before the 15 days is up. Thanks.

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Read this other thread:

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[opensuse] Howto boot HP elitebook 8760w in legacy mode?

alas, I could not find that thread (looked on list and forums)

Common! It was posted today. Here, in this very list, or I would have given you a link. Look in your mailbox. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2016-11/msg00141.html -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Fr David Ousley

13:26

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Common! It was posted today. Here, in this very list, or I would have

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given you a link. Look in your mailbox.

https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2016-11/msg00141.html

I saw it right after I hit the send button. Good for my (very limited) humility! Not the first time I've wished for an unsend button. - -- St John the Baptist Catholic Church, Bridgeport (formerly St Michael's & Bl J.H. Newman) Fr David Ousley 502 Ford Street Bridgeport, PA 19405 215-247-1092 www.sjbbridgeport.org dao@anglicanphiladelphia.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJYIdKRAAoJEPpKlOdMB7KtBVIP/25sYrtGPr7VP0r3ckaiOk+3 op+q1F0NIyv5LexY8I4/ftExkym0hrEP7Ikt7cHhZTUvy+dZNVcKcnT5XaXS3ztK ABNZSyFtROXug2/C+y+VlRkAAaNncVj0bNdXLMRIUMaTxtWxWLoYyhftRmHx9vxP tR5szx9T6qPKVK9PCxXhBGJykiVY0HUph71EDCCDDQl1VK0I8rN6KsZL/JV+14+w gc+HJQvnVQq5uV/3y/ZnzKdRmOjJdqt962872P+ogtqJMiKXK+mtOQszr+678zNG FmSi5AiLFxSgckmEps+43DoZXQTpmVeJ5eSEyNXs5cnApJQMDCrphqR+cEKFAhxB RJ2NfguKDu+bXmR3jrFz0M8ZClxcLUMI7Tza5Q0Q92UQkq435SknlAbgnEE7EYwr QN/O80pzYGGqCBjqKrlkmFDqQCGMTWIzz+qGJ8B5EBHidYHOzvRYBgO8ThXns2i4 Pym+G2nDJkkFAVbyzO3RipP04ZwvLxpcCtXA2DSRi2Y96hcorebrxzRMQ5Me03+E hGgjbfFjTgc924PimyxSHnCMmO7d5vY+xXvXVtKO4hKxmceKhRY6d+Vm+fFwD8GF ykRZUnKx9llQYiC7T1v+wH/UFQRatdyMuKnN/T7jQENkZO1+XiB9Bu7JBIOVril9 mqvu29IwNLysqaIKmGli =jZuI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

13:28

On 2016-11-08 14:26, Fr David Ousley wrote:

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Common! It was posted today. Here, in this very list, or I would have

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given you a link. Look in your mailbox.

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https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2016-11/msg00141.html

I saw it right after I hit the send button. Good for my (very limited) humility! Not the first time I've wished for an unsend button.

Oops. :-} -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink

10:25

Op maandag 7 november 2016 19:00:59 CET schreef Fr David Ousley:

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Oh. You have one of those computers. :-/

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At this point I would consider returning the machine. No kidding.

That's why I'm trying to get this done before the 15 days is up. Thanks.

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Read this other thread:

[opensuse] Howto boot HP elitebook 8760w in legacy mode?

alas, I could not find that thread (looked on list and forums)

--

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Fr David Ousley

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What you need to do first is to disable "Fast boot" on Windows. Otherwise your system doesn't really shutdown. -- Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

11:05

Le 08/11/2016 à 11:25, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink a écrit :

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What you need to do first is to disable "Fast boot" on Windows. Otherwise your system doesn't really shutdown.

you can by choosing "reboot" instead of "shutdown", and switch off the computer when you get the bios screen jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

07:19

Le 08/11/2016 à 00:18, Fr David Ousley a écrit :

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*** You need the BIOS one. That's the problem. ***

How do I get the BIOS one to load?

When booting into Windows, there is no BIOS prompt, and if I hit delete

usually there is some key that trigger the bios. But this key may be a,y Fx one, ESC or DEL if so, most of the time, shifting the finger from left to right on the Fx keyboard line during early boot (that is pressing every key in turn) can trigger the bios I was said, but have never experimented that some computers don't have a bios key but have a "reboot on bios" option - specially windows 10 ones. once in bios, you may have up to 3 bios options: legacy, uefi or legacy + uefi. try them jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

13:36

On 2016-11-08 08:19, jdd wrote:

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I was said, but have never experimented that some computers don't have a bios key but have a "reboot on bios" option - specially windows 10 ones.

This is true, a friend of mine has one and is a real pain. W10 has hooks to interact with UEFI settings directly from inside Windows. My friend's machine was updated to Windows 10, and W10 apparently also upgraded or did some thing to the UEFI firmware, and things broke badly. He can not press a button to BIOS and change things before Windows tries to boot (like booting from external media), and with the current settings things are broken. The laptop fails to wake up or boot randomly. If I remember correctly he tries to keep the thing in W7 or 8. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Malcolm

14:16

New subject: [opensuse] Re: dual boot installation

On Tue 08 Nov 2016 02:36:08 PM CST, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2016-11-08 08:19, jdd wrote:

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I was said, but have never experimented that some computers don't have a bios key but have a "reboot on bios" option - specially windows 10 ones.

This is true, a friend of mine has one and is a real pain.

W10 has hooks to interact with UEFI settings directly from inside Windows. Hi And so does linux... eg efibootmgr, change something with YaST Bootloader and it writes to the nvram.

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Carlos E. R.

14:51

New subject: [opensuse] Re: dual boot installation

On 2016-11-08 15:16, Malcolm wrote:

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On Tue 08 Nov 2016 02:36:08 PM CST, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2016-11-08 08:19, jdd wrote:

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I was said, but have never experimented that some computers don't have a bios key but have a "reboot on bios" option - specially windows 10 ones.

This is true, a friend of mine has one and is a real pain.

W10 has hooks to interact with UEFI settings directly from inside Windows. Hi And so does linux... eg efibootmgr, change something with YaST Bootloader and it writes to the nvram.

Yes, but that is "expected". I mean access to most settings that one would see in the BIOS screen. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Fr David Ousley

16:51

New subject: [opensuse] Re: dual boot installation

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I was said, but have never experimented that some computers don't

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have a bios key but have a "reboot on bios" option - specially windows 10 ones.

This is true, a friend of mine has one and is a real pain.

W10 has hooks to interact with UEFI settings directly from inside Windows. Hi And so does linux... eg efibootmgr, change something with YaST Bootloader and it writes to the nvram.

Yes, but that is "expected". I mean access to most settings that one would see in the BIOS screen.

Having tried to get into the BIOS with the various suggestions from you guys, and failed, I'm going to return the laptop and try something else. I am grateful for all the help in nailing down the issue. At this point, further efforts look to yield diminishing returns. Hopefully the next one will work out of the box. Thanks to all! - -- St John the Baptist Catholic Church, Bridgeport (formerly St Michael's & Bl J.H. Newman) Fr David Ousley 502 Ford Street Bridgeport, PA 19405 215-247-1092 www.sjbbridgeport.org dao@anglicanphiladelphia.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJYIgKdAAoJEPpKlOdMB7KtI/wP/28V+Wlrnu6kyYDM/bb8htjV C3v3CFq1XacTujrdxIgb65s3Ab4WLp+w5LYyMb3DVTzfPGyTI2oaz6axFIGeTDFW w7KCYHf7ES1LbWI9PRTkuuitQ7xyWrWz2/88tvKMX1t7VHtEVF1TVS4Tbo+IQHBl dka0NZowV5bwHXZSsqsXzK/I+wRqB3HgUMHMdl+t/n0KvM9234vhAiHFx2noZRqS YWGoyp/8AjkYCPYRbJ9GnYsf02xs5BRKh4jQUHrUH2Tc85pSqMfefCZDVbI6EPhI +gtT+/iSTPITQimzOMmJu6CQ/xDv+ekjzJUD3exVgOQIXjO7FTuxXIuDtP3MwBgr lQukiizHGoXeJ4QtZMrB93FuDksvtVpCC/gXUQrNhpxmopcz4D4ICtmFdwHVKpuX obrZdrrLf3Amjrd0uIyzAXT6GV0yaTLi8W6EgQcyEKtykgNF6/HDTMGp3iht1XaN YdxKtwpzYMRsVBIFcFVy6irC4DYlCez2hha77ijQi8iML/7PtxkiIY2dIoso9a40 +UqI6M5SXWhwWK8jCZ+2bCHbOzbaAZpf7xAXcQJEDPxU3W0At6Nlmu/kD+/L/OrP hcWDeCbJMmtwhIHZLYYSLZ2KBS4SpnHbsmmUJq2dOzzk4iMy42TB854pzN7nmIs5 8LrPzHso+gnTnKQPbr8k =Xf88 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Doug

7 Nov 7 Nov

22:01

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You might be best off to create your partitioning in advance of attempting to begin installing openSUSE. It's what I always do. When partitioning in advance, all that's necessary in the openSUSE partitioner is to select what gets mounted where and whether each is to be formatted or not.

For one who only does installations infrequently: how should I go about partitioning in advance of installing openSUSE? Sometimes it's better to have your partitions done ahead of time, as is mentioned in this thread. But if you're having trouble with a

On 11/07/2016 02:27 PM, Fr David Ousley wrote: partitioner, and you have a working computer, whether Linux or Windows, Google for a GParted download that you can burn to a CD. This will be a self-booting CD, and then you can deal with the partitions on your drive without fuss. Note that Windows will use (at least) two partitions: a 100MiB boot partition, and a large partition for the actual operating system. Possibly another partition for its own recovery. With GParted, you can move, shrink, even delete partitions, but be careful. Windows MUST have those first two. Do not mess with the first one. The second one, where the main system is, should probably take up somewhere around one half the disk. But if it's not very full, shrink it down to one third of the disk, and then shrink the third partition so that only one half the disk is devoted to Windows. Now if the rest of the disk is occupied by anything, delete it! You should now have one half the disk free. Create an extended partition on it, filling that whole section. Now on the extended partition, you can put partitions for your Linux. You will want a / and a /home and a swap. The swap partition is traditionally twice the size of your installed RAM. You're going to put that at the end. At a guess, put about 25GiB for / and the remaining space (between / and swap) for /home. Format / and /home with ext4, and the swap partition with Linux swap. Do all this with GParted. Now, while you're there, label the two partitions, using GParted. Simply label them Linux / and Linux /home. So you don't forget where things are, write down the partition numbers, names and sizes. Most likely the new Linux partitions are /dev/sda5 and /dev/sda6. Tell GParted apply. When all is finished, remove the CD and install the Linux system. Just tell it where to put / and /home. If I guessed right in the last paragraph, it will be sda5 for / and sda6 for /home. Good luck, Father. --doug

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In any event, you may find it easier to select partition type EXT4 for / and /home instead of the rather immature can of worms that is the default type BTRFS. Before proceeding, search BTRFS to see the many issues arising since the change in default.

Thanks.

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I get these error messages: Some subvolumes of the root filesystem are shadowed by mount points of other filesystems. Installation will encounter problems when booting because the disk on which your /boot partition is located does not contain a GPT disk label. Solutions? (If you need further information, let me know what. I'm not experienced with the partitionary.) Thanks. "Expert Partitioner" on the "Suggested Partitioning" screen doesn't really mean what it seems to mean. Instead, select "Create Partition Setup", which produces: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/YaST/422/yastI-PrtCreate422-0768.jpg

where the selection to make to get into the real expert mode is "Custom Partitioning (for experts)", producing these screens: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/YaST/422/yastI-PrtExpert422-0768.jpg http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/YaST/422/yastI-PrtCustomInsSumStart422-0768.jpg

This is actually what I did. Doing this shows only the 3 existing Windows partitions. When I attempt to add swap, root and home (under an extended partition), as described, then I get the warnings. Apologies for being unclear about "expert partioner."

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Dennis Gallien

20:01

On Mon, Nov 7 12:20:07 PM Fr David Ousley wrote:

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If I (in the expert partitioner) create an extended partition, and then create swap, root and home partitions, and set the Windows partition to /boot/efi, I get these error messages:

You are trying to mount /boot on the Windows partition??? What happens if you create the extended and then within it create 4 logical partitions, i.e., /boot, /root/, /home, and swap? I'm not positive about grub2, but with the old grub you could put the boot sector in the 4th primary, i.e., the extended partition. It would point to the grub and kernel in the /boot logical. The extended partition would be marked active and the MBR code will call its boot sector. Note: With Windows 7 you should be able to create a boot entry in its boot database for the Linux boot sector (EasyBCD will do this for you nicely). Be aware though that if you ever upgrade to W10, this will become a problem. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Dennis Gallien

5 Nov 5 Nov

14:43

I agree, very much not trivial problem. The fdisk output seems to indicate this is a traditional BIOS partitioned disk. You have unallocated space between partitions 2 and 3. You didn't say what the purpose is of the 3rd partition, but if Windows assigned a volume letter to it (D:) then it is probably not the recovery partition typically created by laptop vendors. Do you know for sure? And why 25GB? On my W10 disk installed vanilla with the Microsoft OEM disc, Windows created two recovery partitions, both less than 1GB and both of which while seen in Disk Management are not accessible to be changed or deleted. Does your Windows give you access to change partitions 3 and/or 4? I think you need to know what the purpose is for the 3rd partition, and what the consequences would be on this machine of removing it or the 4th partition. If you can remove the 3rd partition, you can possibly install on it. Same with the 4th partition. Cleanest solution is removing both 3 and 4. With any of these alternatives you will lose the vendor recovery mechanism; again important to know the implications of doing that. And having a disk image you can recover the whole disk from; that image should enable you to also recover individual files. If it cannot, you may need a second file-system backup. On Sat, Nov 5 02:52:41 PM Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Creating a new partition when all 4 are in use is not trivial.

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