[opensuse] SuSE and Verizon FiOS?
A Verizon person was just at my house to talk about switching to Fiber Optic and to buy a 3for1 package (phone, TV,internet). Sounded good until I asked if it supported linux. He called his supervisor and the answer was no. Has anyone found this info to correct or incorrect? Thanks Stephen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2007/09/19 17:15 (GMT-0700) StephenW apparently typed:
A Verizon person was just at my house to talk about switching to Fiber Optic and to buy a 3for1 package (phone, TV,internet).
Sounded good until I asked if it supported linux. He called his supervisor and the answer was no.
Has anyone found this info to correct or incorrect?
I hope they didn't record the fact that you asked that question and hold it against you. It was pointless. "Support" is marketing speak for dweebs who need to telephone support in order to get their broken windoz systems to access the internet again. For Linux people, it just works, assuming you haven't taken pains to break it. The FiOS modem doesn't know anything about anything beyond the Internet Firewall/Router you plug into the ethernet between your computer(s) and the modem. You could use SUSE's built-in software firewall instead of the hardware device, but I don't recommend you try that unless you're already a networking expert, and if that you were, you wouldn't have asked. With a hardware Internet Firewall/Router, odds are you plug it in, and it just works, nothing to configure. If it doesn't, making it work is usually a simple matter of opening a connection to the router using your favorite web browser, and answering a few simple questions. -- "It yet remains a problem to be solved in human affairs, whether any free government can be permanent, where the public worship of God, and the support of religion, constitute no part of the policy or duty of the state in any assignable shape." Chief Justice Joseph Story Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 19 September 2007 19:15, StephenW wrote:
A Verizon person was just at my house to talk about switching to Fiber Optic and to buy a 3for1 package (phone, TV,internet).
Sounded good until I asked if it supported linux. He called his supervisor and the answer was no.
Has anyone found this info to correct or incorrect?
Thanks Stephen
Not many ISP will say that they support Linux. For them it doesn't mean only that Linux will be able to use network (fiber optic), but that they can tell customer what to do if something doesn't work. With so many distributions it will demand to much resources, and the answer is almost always no. Fiber optic is just fast network transport, if you have to connect your computer to fiber optic adapter using Ethernet cable, than it doesn't matter how that adapter talks to central office. On the other side if there is windows based software used to log onto Verizon network, than uses some proprietary authentication, answer might be really 'no'. The only way to make sure that it will work is to have test ride. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
A Verizon person was just at my house to talk about switching to Fiber Optic and to buy a 3for1 package (phone, TV,internet).
Sounded good until I asked if it supported linux. He called his supervisor and the answer was no.
Has anyone found this info to correct or incorrect?
Thanks Stephen I've been running SUSE Linux for the last 2+ years over a fibre network here in Moses Lake WA. No problems installing or running. The fibre is owned by our Public Utility District and individual ISPs can contact to use it. I have
On Wednesday September 19 2007 17:15, StephenW wrote: phone and ISP over it. TV is supposed to be coming. I'm presently on SUSE 10.2. My router connects to the fibre box on the outside of the house. I run Konqueror and Firefox as Browsers, GFTP for FTP. All worked out of the box. SUSE auto configure the network on install. My ISp connects to Verizon for the phone. -- Russ Linux register user 441463 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 19 September 2007 9:12:01 pm russbucket wrote:
I've been running SUSE Linux for the last 2+ years over a fibre network here in Moses Lake WA. No problems installing or running. The fibre is owned by our Public Utility District and individual ISPs can contact to use it. I have phone and ISP over it. TV is supposed to be coming. I'm presently on SUSE 10.2. My router connects to the fibre box on the outside of the house. I run Konqueror and Firefox as Browsers, GFTP for FTP. All worked out of the box. SUSE auto configure the network on install.
My ISp connects to Verizon for the phone.
I have read some complaints that after Verizon installs the fiber optics they remove all the copper so if you want to go back to the old phone and dsl stuff, you're screwed. Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 19 September 2007 20:15, StephenW wrote:
A Verizon person was just at my house to talk about switching to Fiber Optic and to buy a 3for1 package (phone, TV,internet).
Sounded good until I asked if it supported linux. He called his supervisor and the answer was no.
Has anyone found this info to correct or incorrect?
Thanks Stephen
I think that you will find this is a matter of interpretation. Verizon FIOS is simply an internet connection. Verizon does offer as part of their installation process to install the connection, install and configure the supplied router, and configure your pc to use the connection. They will only configure Windows and Mac computers. That being said, if you do not require them to configure your pc for you then the FIOS connection will work just fine. I have recently had the business FIOS service with them installed. It is on this install that I am basing my comments. Jim Saville -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I have FiOS and you'll be fine. No special software needed. Verizon
didn't remove my copper, but they do cut it to tie the phone system
into the fiber. My biggest complaint is the router. They used an
ActionTec. Has some very granular controls when compared to say a
Linksys, etc., but you'd better hope any ethernet runs don't extend
more than about 90 feet. Seems it can't produce enough juice on the
wire, so that really bites.
The phone has worked fine, no real problems.
The HD vid has been great. I've got a better pic than I used to get
with BrightHouse. And Verizon offers a DVR that can be used to record
and then watch from any tv in the house that has a STB.
On 9/19/07, StephenW
A Verizon person was just at my house to talk about switching to Fiber Optic and to buy a 3for1 package (phone, TV,internet).
Sounded good until I asked if it supported linux. He called his supervisor and the answer was no.
Has anyone found this info to correct or incorrect?
Thanks Stephen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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--- "John (raz0r)"
I have FiOS and you'll be fine. No special software needed. Verizon didn't remove my copper, but they do cut it to tie the phone system into the fiber.
What? They married the two systems? Fiber to copper? That seems counter-productive. Did they do this with the TV postion too? My biggest complaint is the router. They used an
ActionTec. Has some very granular controls when compared to say a Linksys, etc., but you'd better hope any ethernet runs don't extend more than about 90 feet. Seems it can't produce enough juice on the wire, so that really bites.
"Granular controls"? I do not understand the term. Went to www.actiontec.com. Makes me curious how this will be installed, Will the TV receive its signal via wireless to their STB or direct fiber to the STB? You suggest they use the existing copper. I think I need to talk to the rep - this thread has helped inform me to ask important questions. stephen
The phone has worked fine, no real problems.
The HD vid has been great. I've got a better pic than I used to get with BrightHouse. And Verizon offers a DVR that can be used to record and then watch from any tv in the house that has a STB.
On 9/19/07, StephenW
wrote: A Verizon person was just at my house to talk about switching to Fiber Optic and to buy a 3for1 package (phone, TV,internet).
Sounded good until I asked if it supported linux. He called his supervisor and the answer was no.
Has anyone found this info to correct or incorrect?
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On Saturday 22 September 2007 07:08, StephenW wrote:
What? They married the two systems? Fiber to copper? That seems counter-productive. Did they do this with the TV postion too?
Stephen: My daughter has Verizon FIOS and it works like this: Fiber to the house where it is terminated into a big box that has telephone wire and 75 ohm cable coming out of it. The telephone wire goes to the router and, presumably, to the other phone wiring (because the phones work) and the 75 ohm cable goes to the set top box. Her internet works with no problems, the router has wireless connectivity and the tv channels look great. No muss, no fuss and nothing to concern the FIOS guys about. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 9/22/07, StephenW
--- "John (raz0r)"
wrote: I have FiOS and you'll be fine. No special software needed. Verizon didn't remove my copper, but they do cut it to tie the phone system into the fiber.
What? They married the two systems? Fiber to copper? That seems counter-productive. Did they do this with the TV postion too?
My biggest complaint is the router. They used an
ActionTec. Has some very granular controls when compared to say a Linksys, etc., but you'd better hope any ethernet runs don't extend more than about 90 feet. Seems it can't produce enough juice on the wire, so that really bites.
"Granular controls"? I do not understand the term. Went to www.actiontec.com. Makes me curious how this will be installed, Will the TV receive its signal via wireless to their STB or direct fiber to the STB? You suggest they use the existing copper.
I think I need to talk to the rep - this thread has helped inform me to ask important questions.
stephen
Fred answered the first question about the phone and copper. The firewall interface provides more options/features than you would get with say a Linksys. Those advanced options provide you with more control. More control means translates to granular. The TV STB receives its signal via coax. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
A Verizon person was just at my house to talk about switching to Fiber Optic and to buy a 3for1 package (phone, TV,internet). I really envy you. Where I am in Marietta GA I can't get any decent high speed net service. The Comcast cable used to be good but this year it has gotten very bad with very slow data. I just signed up for DSL with ATT but
StephenW wrote: the wires in my area are old and I am over 10000 feet from the CO so the DSL has been intermittent. Damon Register -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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A Verizon person was just at my house to talk about switching to Fiber Optic and to buy a 3for1 package (phone, TV,internet). I really envy you. Where I am in Marietta GA I can't get any decent high speed net service. The Comcast cable used to be good but this year it has gotten very bad with very slow data. I just signed up for DSL with ATT but
StephenW wrote: the wires in my area are old and I am over 10000 feet from the CO so the DSL has been intermittent.
Marietta, GA - the place where many of the companies in the Northeast have relocated their corporate offices? So many people have been moved to Marietta I supposed it was in vanguard of everything. Comcast in Sarasota, FL has always been intermittent. That is why when it became available I signed on with a wireless provider (Qwest - later taken over by a local investor and renamed Hameltronics). It has been top notch (Well, the antenna is less than a mile from my house - grin). We will see if Verizon is at all as good as the hype. Stephen Sarasota, FL -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Just for the record, Verizon FiOS is either run via DHCP (yes the standard protocol) or PPPoE (if you tell me you haven't seen gpppoe or kpppoe on the install disks, I'll tell you that you aren't running a recent version). The big problem with the router is that it was custom designed, but if you aren't running MOCA (multimedia over coax, meaning a internet connection over coax), you can use any router that have a 100 BaseT physical WAN. Just about any major router OEM (Belkin, Linksys, Dlink, & Netgear that I have personally seen) can be used. If you have to use the coax install, ask for a NIM and run your router, don't like the Actiontec, then don't use it. And as for marrying copper and fiber, did you think you would plug up the fiber directly to your existing phones? Please. Of course it has to be married to the old system, for reverse compatibility if nothing else. The existing nid/pid is tapped into for dial tone, the existing coax is tapped into for the tv. If you insist, a new run of ethernet is put into place or they use the existing coax. It is still fast and great quality, but don't let a sales man sell you something out of fantasy. If they sold you a car, you'd check the tires and engine, why don't you see if they have a test how, or if a neighbor that already has it will demo it for you. If you can't find either, try the forums (http://broadbandreports.com works rather well). The only bad thing I can honestly say is that waiting for the tech support is a bitch. Anyway, I figured I'd put my 2 cents in. Enjoy.... John (raz0r) wrote:
On 9/22/07, StephenW
wrote: --- "John (raz0r)"
wrote: I have FiOS and you'll be fine. No special software needed. Verizon didn't remove my copper, but they do cut it to tie the phone system into the fiber.
What? They married the two systems? Fiber to copper? That seems counter-productive. Did they do this with the TV postion too?
My biggest complaint is the router. They used an
ActionTec. Has some very granular controls when compared to say a Linksys, etc., but you'd better hope any ethernet runs don't extend more than about 90 feet. Seems it can't produce enough juice on the wire, so that really bites.
"Granular controls"? I do not understand the term. Went to www.actiontec.com. Makes me curious how this will be installed, Will the TV receive its signal via wireless to their STB or direct fiber to the STB? You suggest they use the existing copper.
I think I need to talk to the rep - this thread has helped inform me to ask important questions.
stephen
Fred answered the first question about the phone and copper.
The firewall interface provides more options/features than you would get with say a Linksys. Those advanced options provide you with more control. More control means translates to granular.
The TV STB receives its signal via coax.
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StephenW wrote:
Marietta, GA - the place where many of the companies in the Northeast have relocated their corporate offices? So many people have been moved to Marietta That's the place, but it doesn't last forever. One such company was Russell Corp. who had moved here a few years ago. This year they just got sucked up by Fruit Of The Loom who is dismantling the Russell corporate office here.
I supposed it was in vanguard of everything. it is a nice place to live but just not high tech enough
Comcast in Sarasota, FL has always been intermittent. That is why when it One coworker said had had some luck in getting Comcast to fix his problems but I am not holding my breath. I just found out yesterday afternoon from the ATT tech who came to my house to check the DSL problems that the fiber will be in my neighborhood by the end of the year. I will be glad when that happens. The tech did make some adjustment so I will see how it goes. Last night I started the download of SuSE 10.2 DVD and it seems to have completed ok. I did notice one strange thing about the openSuSE site. Since my DSL connection isn't the most reliable, I wanted to get the MD5 checksum for the SuSE iso so I could confirm that the download was good. I didn't see where on the SuSE site I could get the checksum file but on the mirrors I found the checksum.
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