[oS-EN] AppStream

Carlos E. R.

30 Mar 2024 30 Mar '24

17:22

Hi, On the openSUSE package search page, https://search.opensuse.org/packages/ (which has no entry for Leap 15.5 yet) I get a button named [AppStream Install]. Clicking there nothing happens. The URL is: appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner Obviously, FF doesn't know what to do with that, and doesn't even say I don't know what this is. The wiki page on it: https://en.opensuse.org/AppStream Doesn't provide useful information, like how to install such a package on Leap or what to do with FF. I have done this on another computer, but I'm not on that location and don't have my notes on it. Google wants to teach me on how to create them, which is not what I want. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from Elesar, using openSUSE Leap 15.5)

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Andrei Borzenkov

30 Mar 30 Mar

17:39

On 30.03.2024 20:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Hi,

On the openSUSE package search page,

https://search.opensuse.org/packages/

(which has no entry for Leap 15.5 yet)

You forgot to tell what you were looking for.

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I get a button named [AppStream Install]. Clicking there nothing happens. The URL is:

appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner

Obviously, FF doesn't know what to do with that, and doesn't even say I don't know what this is.

The wiki page on it:

https://en.opensuse.org/AppStream

Doesn't provide useful information, like how to install such a package on Leap or what to do with FF.

I have done this on another computer, but I'm not on that location and don't have my notes on it. Google wants to teach me on how to create them, which is not what I want.

Carlos E. R.

17:50

On 2024-03-30 18:39, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On 30.03.2024 20:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Hi,

On the openSUSE package search page,

https://search.opensuse.org/packages/

(which has no entry for Leap 15.5 yet)

You forgot to tell what you were looking for.

Look 3 lines under. It is tuner, but that is not relevant.

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I get a button named [AppStream Install]. Clicking there nothing happens. The URL is:

appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner

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Obviously, FF doesn't know what to do with that, and doesn't even say I don't know what this is.

The wiki page on it:

https://en.opensuse.org/AppStream

Doesn't provide useful information, like how to install such a package on Leap or what to do with FF.

I have done this on another computer, but I'm not on that location and don't have my notes on it. Google wants to teach me on how to create them, which is not what I want.

-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from Elesar, using openSUSE Leap 15.5)

Andrei Borzenkov

31 Mar 31 Mar

06:00

On 30.03.2024 20:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2024-03-30 18:39, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On 30.03.2024 20:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Hi,

On the openSUSE package search page,

https://search.opensuse.org/packages/

(which has no entry for Leap 15.5 yet)

You forgot to tell what you were looking for.

Look 3 lines under. It is tuner, but that is not relevant.

tuner is available for Leap 15.5

Carlos E. R.

13:43

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 El 2024-03-31 a las 09:00 +0300, Andrei Borzenkov escribió:

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On 30.03.2024 20:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2024-03-30 18:39, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On 30.03.2024 20:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Hi,

On the openSUSE package search page,

https://search.opensuse.org/packages/

(which has no entry for Leap 15.5 yet)

You forgot to tell what you were looking for.

Look 3 lines under. It is tuner, but that is not relevant.

tuner is available for Leap 15.5

Both zypper search and opi failed to find it for me. I am on a different location today, so I can not replicate "zypper", but I can "opi": Searching repos for: tuner 1. mysqltuner 2. streamtuner2 3. R-tuneR 4. postgresqltuner 5. R-tehtuner 6. vtuner-apps 7. R-tuneRanger 8. R-kerastuneR 9. everytone-tuner 10. perl-Guitar-Tuner 11. lv2-everytone-tuner 12. vst-everytone-tuner 13. vst3-everytone-tuner 14. vtuner-apps-debuginfo 15. vtuner-apps-debugsource Pick a number (0 to quit): "tuner" is not there. https://search.opensuse.org/packages/ failed to find it for me. First issue is that I can not select 15.5. I search for Tumbleweed anyway, click on the found tuner, and it offers: Appstream Install Expert Downloadl Show tuner for other distributions. I use the later, and 15.5 is not there. Then I think, an Appstream package can be installed on any distribution. How do I install an Appstream package? And that was my question. If I used opensuse search correctly or not that is irrelevant, the question, as per the mail subject, is how to install with Appstream? I did not lie. Not intentionally. That's a tall accusation uncalled for! I simply did not write irrelevant information. Everybody here knows how to do a search for a package, the details are not needed. So, still the questions: How do I tell Firefox what to do with a link such as appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner? Or how do I do whatever is needed manually? The Firefox in Telcontar machine knows how to do it and calls "Discover". The Firefox in Elesar machine doesn't. I think I have done this previously, but I can not find my notes on it, and yesterday I was at a remote location, so no full access to them. Ah, found it. I did not install "Appstream" whatevers, but an "AppImage". I was searching my archive for the wrong word. And what I did was simply download a file, put it in an arbitrary directory, and give it execution rights. I don't know this instant what are the relationships or differences between Appstream, Appimage, or flatpak. What I know is that https://software.opensuse.org/package/tuner Has a button called "Appstream install" that tries to open appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner, that my FF in this machine knows what to do with it (calls "Discover"), and the machine I was at yesterday afternoon doesn't. And the opensuse link that should explain it all, doesn't: https://en.opensuse.org/AppStream - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHoEARECADoWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCZgloiRwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJELUzGBxtjUfVEr0AnR7RmcQ3uSLWvtv9VbeV xq0VBqsDAJ9XAJ09vPNFQOOUnTBYNB/vgvZKJw== =N0bO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Andrei Borzenkov

14:23

On 31.03.2024 16:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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El 2024-03-31 a las 09:00 +0300, Andrei Borzenkov escribió:

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On 30.03.2024 20:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2024-03-30 18:39, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On 30.03.2024 20:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Hi,

On the openSUSE package search page,

https://search.opensuse.org/packages/

(which has no entry for Leap 15.5 yet)

You forgot to tell what you were looking for.

Look 3 lines under. It is tuner, but that is not relevant.

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tuner is available for Leap 15.5

Both zypper search and opi failed to find it for me.

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What I know is that

https://software.opensuse.org/package/tuner

Has a button called "Appstream install"

I do not see any such button on this page. I am not alone.

Carlos E. R.

14:41

On 2024-03-31 16:23, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On 31.03.2024 16:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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El 2024-03-31 a las 09:00 +0300, Andrei Borzenkov escribió:

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On 30.03.2024 20:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2024-03-30 18:39, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On 30.03.2024 20:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Hi,

On the openSUSE package search page,

https://search.opensuse.org/packages/

(which has no entry for Leap 15.5 yet)

You forgot to tell what you were looking for.

Look 3 lines under. It is tuner, but that is not relevant.

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tuner is available for Leap 15.5

Both zypper search and opi failed to find it for me.

I do not believe you.

bor@leap15:~> zypper se tuner Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...

S | Name | Summary | Type --+--------------------+----------------------------------+-------- | python3-virt-tuner | Virtual Machine definition tuner | package | tuner | Minimalist radio station player | package | tuner-lang | Translations for package tuner | package bor@leap15:~>

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Well, yesterday, on a remote machine, I did not see it. Today, on my desktop machine, I do see it. Maybe there is something broken in that remote machine, maybe there was a hiccup in the repos. It doesn't matter, it is not my question.

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What I know is that

https://software.opensuse.org/package/tuner

Has a button called "Appstream install"

I do not see any such button on this page. I am not alone.

https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/6de4a76751d0 It is clearly there. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Andrei Borzenkov

14:48

On 31.03.2024 17:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2024-03-31 16:23, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On 31.03.2024 16:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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El 2024-03-31 a las 09:00 +0300, Andrei Borzenkov escribió:

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On 30.03.2024 20:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2024-03-30 18:39, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On 30.03.2024 20:22, Carlos E. R. wrote: > Hi, > > On the openSUSE package search page, > > https://search.opensuse.org/packages/ > > (which has no entry for Leap 15.5 yet) >

You forgot to tell what you were looking for.

Look 3 lines under. It is tuner, but that is not relevant.

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tuner is available for Leap 15.5

Both zypper search and opi failed to find it for me.

I do not believe you.

bor@leap15:~> zypper se tuner Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...

S | Name | Summary | Type --+--------------------+----------------------------------+-------- | python3-virt-tuner | Virtual Machine definition tuner | package | tuner | Minimalist radio station player | package | tuner-lang | Translations for package tuner | package bor@leap15:~>

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Well, yesterday, on a remote machine, I did not see it. Today, on my desktop machine, I do see it. Maybe there is something broken in that remote machine, maybe there was a hiccup in the repos.

It doesn't matter, it is not my question.

Then start over and ask your question without referring to something that is not relevant to your question.

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What I know is that

https://software.opensuse.org/package/tuner

Has a button called "Appstream install"

I do not see any such button on this page. I am not alone.

https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/6de4a76751d0

It is clearly there.

Yes. And it is clearly not the page which opens when one clicks the URL above. But you never bothered to explain step by step how others can repeat what you did to get the same experience.

Carlos E. R.

15:31

On 2024-03-31 16:48, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On 31.03.2024 17:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2024-03-31 16:23, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On 31.03.2024 16:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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El 2024-03-31 a las 09:00 +0300, Andrei Borzenkov escribió:

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On 30.03.2024 20:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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   On 2024-03-30 18:39, Andrei Borzenkov wrote: >    On 30.03.2024 20:22, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>    Hi, >> >>    On the openSUSE package search page, >> >>    https://search.opensuse.org/packages/ >> >>    (which has no entry for Leap 15.5 yet) >> > >    You forgot to tell what you were looking for.

   Look 3 lines under. It is tuner, but that is not relevant.

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tuner is available for Leap 15.5

Both zypper search and opi failed to find it for me.

I do not believe you.

bor@leap15:~> zypper se tuner Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...

S | Name               | Summary                          | Type --+--------------------+----------------------------------+-------- | python3-virt-tuner | Virtual Machine definition tuner | package | tuner              | Minimalist radio station player | package | tuner-lang         | Translations for package tuner   | package bor@leap15:~>

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Well, yesterday, on a remote machine, I did not see it. Today, on my desktop machine, I do see it. Maybe there is something broken in that remote machine, maybe there was a hiccup in the repos.

It doesn't matter, it is not my question.

Then start over and ask your question without referring to something that is not relevant to your question.

Well, sorry, when I point at the moon I did not expect people to look at the finger. It is clearly written in the mail subject. The issue is AppStream, the rest is decoration.

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What I know is that

https://software.opensuse.org/package/tuner

Has a button called "Appstream install"

I do not see any such button on this page. I am not alone.

https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/6de4a76751d0

It is clearly there.

Yes. And it is clearly not the page which opens when one clicks the URL above. But you never bothered to explain step by step how others can repeat what you did to get the same experience.

Ok, I try again. Sequence of pages and photos: 0) https://search.opensuse.org/packages/ https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/4a9687b21c41 There is no search for leap 15.5 1) https://search.opensuse.org/packages/ https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/348240ed3e3c Click on "search". I get: 2) https://software.opensuse.org/search?q=tuner&baseproject=openSUSE%3AFactory https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/71f5999e7f30 Click on the photo at the leftmost, I get: 3) https://software.opensuse.org/package/tuner https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/9ab7af9fd7ab You can clearly see there is a button labelled "Appstream Install". In this machine (telcontar) it works on click. In the machine I was at yesterday (Elesar) it did not. I ask "why?", and how do I install such a package. The FF on Telcontar opens "Discover" with that link, which points to appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner. The FF on Elesar does nothing. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Andrei Borzenkov

17:05

On 31.03.2024 18:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The FF on Telcontar opens "Discover" with that link, which points to appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner. The FF on Elesar does nothing.

So install Discover on Elesar, I am not sure what is the question. As with any other URI scheme or MIME type you need application that can handle this URI/MIME type. On Telcontar you have such application, on Elesar you do not. It has absolutely nothing to do with FF itself.

Carlos E. R.

17:50

On 2024-03-31 19:05, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On 31.03.2024 18:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The FF on Telcontar opens "Discover" with that link, which points to appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner. The FF on Elesar does nothing.

So install Discover on Elesar, I am not sure what is the question. As with any other URI scheme or MIME type you need application that can handle this URI/MIME type. On Telcontar you have such application, on Elesar you do not. It has absolutely nothing to do with FF itself.

At the moment I posted the question, I only had that machine available (which is 35 Km away), so I had no way to know that I needed to install Discover. I don't have any app named "discover" or "Discover", but there is a package by that name: Telcontar:~ # rpm -qa | grep discover discover-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.x86_64 discover-backend-flatpak-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.x86_64 discover-lang-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.noarch discover-backend-fwupd-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.x86_64 discover-backend-packagekit-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.x86_64 Telcontar:~ # Telcontar:~ # rpm -ql discover | grep bin/ /usr/bin/plasma-discover /usr/bin/plasma-discover-update Telcontar:~ # There is still the mystery of what is actually that link: appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner I tried: cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/appstream> wget http://com.github.louis77.tuner --2024-03-31 19:46:42-- http://com.github.louis77.tuner/ Resolving com.github.louis77.tuner (com.github.louis77.tuner)... failed: Name or service not known. wget: unable to resolve host address ‘com.github.louis77.tuner’ cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/appstream> -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Patrick Shanahan

19:11

* Carlos E. R. [03-31-24 13:53]:

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On 2024-03-31 19:05, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On 31.03.2024 18:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The FF on Telcontar opens "Discover" with that link, which points to appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner. The FF on Elesar does nothing.

So install Discover on Elesar, I am not sure what is the question. As with any other URI scheme or MIME type you need application that can handle this URI/MIME type. On Telcontar you have such application, on Elesar you do not. It has absolutely nothing to do with FF itself.

At the moment I posted the question, I only had that machine available (which is 35 Km away), so I had no way to know that I needed to install Discover.

I don't have any app named "discover" or "Discover", but there is a package by that name:

Telcontar:~ # rpm -qa | grep discover discover-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.x86_64 discover-backend-flatpak-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.x86_64 discover-lang-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.noarch discover-backend-fwupd-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.x86_64 discover-backend-packagekit-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.x86_64 Telcontar:~ #

Telcontar:~ # rpm -ql discover | grep bin/ /usr/bin/plasma-discover /usr/bin/plasma-discover-update Telcontar:~ #

There is still the mystery of what is actually that link: appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner

the link is apparently tied to the operation of Discover which you didn't install and try but waited for someone else to do.

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I tried:

cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/appstream> wget http://com.github.louis77.tuner --2024-03-31 19:46:42-- http://com.github.louis77.tuner/ Resolving com.github.louis77.tuner (com.github.louis77.tuner)... failed: Name or service not known. wget: unable to resolve host address ‘com.github.louis77.tuner’ cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/appstream>

how did that work out for you? and then there is google, but ... -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc

Patrick Shanahan

19:22

* Patrick Shanahan [03-31-24 15:12]:

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* Carlos E. R. [03-31-24 13:53]:

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On 2024-03-31 19:05, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On 31.03.2024 18:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The FF on Telcontar opens "Discover" with that link, which points to appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner. The FF on Elesar does nothing.

So install Discover on Elesar, I am not sure what is the question. As with any other URI scheme or MIME type you need application that can handle this URI/MIME type. On Telcontar you have such application, on Elesar you do not. It has absolutely nothing to do with FF itself.

At the moment I posted the question, I only had that machine available (which is 35 Km away), so I had no way to know that I needed to install Discover.

I don't have any app named "discover" or "Discover", but there is a package by that name:

Telcontar:~ # rpm -qa | grep discover discover-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.x86_64 discover-backend-flatpak-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.x86_64 discover-lang-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.noarch discover-backend-fwupd-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.x86_64 discover-backend-packagekit-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.x86_64 Telcontar:~ #

Telcontar:~ # rpm -ql discover | grep bin/ /usr/bin/plasma-discover /usr/bin/plasma-discover-update Telcontar:~ #

There is still the mystery of what is actually that link: appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner

the link is apparently tied to the operation of Discover which you didn't install and try but waited for someone else to do.

rpm -qi Discover6 Discover is a graphical software manager for the KDE Plasma desktop. It helps users to find software they might want easily and quickly. By allowing to navigate a software library by search, categories, top lists along with detailed application information including screenshots and reviews, users can more quickly find applications that suit their needs.

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I tried:

cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/appstream> wget http://com.github.louis77.tuner --2024-03-31 19:46:42-- http://com.github.louis77.tuner/ Resolving com.github.louis77.tuner (com.github.louis77.tuner)... failed: Name or service not known. wget: unable to resolve host address ‘com.github.louis77.tuner’ cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/appstream>

how did that work out for you?

and then there is google, but ...

-- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc

-- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc

Carlos E. R.

20:26

On 2024-03-31 21:11, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Carlos E. R. [03-31-24 13:53]:

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On 2024-03-31 19:05, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On 31.03.2024 18:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The FF on Telcontar opens "Discover" with that link, which points to appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner. The FF on Elesar does nothing.

So install Discover on Elesar, I am not sure what is the question. As with any other URI scheme or MIME type you need application that can handle this URI/MIME type. On Telcontar you have such application, on Elesar you do not. It has absolutely nothing to do with FF itself.

At the moment I posted the question, I only had that machine available (which is 35 Km away), so I had no way to know that I needed to install Discover.

I don't have any app named "discover" or "Discover", but there is a package by that name:

Telcontar:~ # rpm -qa | grep discover discover-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.x86_64 discover-backend-flatpak-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.x86_64 discover-lang-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.noarch discover-backend-fwupd-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.x86_64 discover-backend-packagekit-5.27.9-bp155.2.3.1.x86_64 Telcontar:~ #

Telcontar:~ # rpm -ql discover | grep bin/ /usr/bin/plasma-discover /usr/bin/plasma-discover-update Telcontar:~ #

There is still the mystery of what is actually that link: appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner

the link is apparently tied to the operation of Discover which you didn't install and try but waited for someone else to do.

Yesterday, when I needed this, that computer which is 30 km from here, just did nothing when clicking on the link. I did not know that I needed Discover, Google did not tell me, the opensuse.org wiki did not tell me, and nobody told me when I asked. Today, /I/ found in my main machine that Firefox opened the link with Discover. It was me who found out that Discover was needed. Jesus! You people! :-( -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Darryl Gregorash

19:29

On 2024-03-31 11:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2024-03-31 19:05, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On 31.03.2024 18:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The FF on Telcontar opens "Discover" with that link, which points to appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner. The FF on Elesar does nothing.

So install Discover on Elesar, I am not sure what is the question. As with any other URI scheme or MIME type you need application that can handle this URI/MIME type. On Telcontar you have such application, on Elesar you do not. It has absolutely nothing to do with FF itself.

At the moment I posted the question, I only had that machine available (which is 35 Km away), so I had no way to know that I needed to install Discover. Do you have internet on Elesar? A browser? A keyboard?

Google: what handles mime type appstream linux Among all the results, you will find this one, it's 3rd from the top here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1176247/how-to-handle-appstream-links-in-ubu... Reading that, you will find this: "Not sure if this is still relevant to your situation, but for the sake of posterity: At least for Ubuntu, download "Discover" [software center] from the "Ubuntu Software" app. From there, AppStream links should work fine."

Knurpht-openSUSE

19:35

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Reading that, you will find this: "Not sure if this is still relevant to your situation, but for the sake of posterity: At least for Ubuntu, download "Discover" [software center] from the "Ubuntu Software" app. From there, AppStream links should work fine." No, he wants it his way. This is a ridiculous thread. If this was googled in

Op zondag 31 maart 2024 21:29:55 CEST schreef Darryl Gregorash: the first place instead of posting here ..... -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board openSUSE Forums Team

Darryl Gregorash

20:01

On 2024-03-31 13:35, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

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Reading that, you will find this: "Not sure if this is still relevant to your situation, but for the sake of posterity: At least for Ubuntu, download "Discover" [software center] from the "Ubuntu Software" app. From there, AppStream links should work fine." No, he wants it his way. This is a ridiculous thread. If this was googled in

Op zondag 31 maart 2024 21:29:55 CEST schreef Darryl Gregorash: the first place instead of posting here .....

Maybe everyone should just stop replying when he opens a new thread. Then maybe he'll get the hint. ;)

Carlos E. R.

20:25

On 2024-03-31 22:01, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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On 2024-03-31 13:35, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

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Reading that, you will find this: "Not sure if this is still relevant to your situation, but for the sake of posterity: At least for Ubuntu, download "Discover" [software center] from the "Ubuntu Software" app. From there, AppStream links should work fine." No, he wants it his way. This is a ridiculous thread. If this was googled in

Op zondag 31 maart 2024 21:29:55 CEST schreef Darryl Gregorash: the first place instead of posting here .....

Maybe everyone should just stop replying when he opens a new thread. Then maybe he'll get the hint. ;)

Maybe you have a vested animosity towards me. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Patrick Shanahan

22:00

* Carlos E. R. [03-31-24 16:26]:

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On 2024-03-31 22:01, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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On 2024-03-31 13:35, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

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Reading that, you will find this: "Not sure if this is still relevant to your situation, but for the sake of posterity: At least for Ubuntu, download "Discover" [software center] from the "Ubuntu Software" app. From there, AppStream links should work fine." No, he wants it his way. This is a ridiculous thread. If this was googled in

Op zondag 31 maart 2024 21:29:55 CEST schreef Darryl Gregorash: the first place instead of posting here .....

Maybe everyone should just stop replying when he opens a new thread. Then maybe he'll get the hint. ;)

Maybe you have a vested animosity towards me.

no, the weight has become quite heavy. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc

Darryl Gregorash

1 Apr 1 Apr

02:51

On 2024-03-31 14:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2024-03-31 22:01, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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On 2024-03-31 13:35, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

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Reading that, you will find this: "Not sure if this is still relevant to your situation, but for the sake of posterity: At least for Ubuntu, download "Discover" [software center] from the "Ubuntu Software" app. From there, AppStream links should work fine." No, he wants it his way. This is a ridiculous thread. If this was googled in

Op zondag 31 maart 2024 21:29:55 CEST schreef Darryl Gregorash: the first place instead of posting here .....

Maybe everyone should just stop replying when he opens a new thread. Then maybe he'll get the hint. ;)

Maybe you have a vested animosity towards me.

If that were true, I would not be sending replies to you at all -- ever. And I certainly would not have typed that 'wink' in the previous post. In an earlier reply to Patrick, you wrote this:

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Yesterday, when I needed this, that computer which is 30 km from here, just did nothing when clicking on the link. I did not know that I needed Discover, Google did not tell me, the opensuse.org wiki did not tell me, and nobody told me when I asked.

Today, /I/ found in my main machine that Firefox opened the link with Discover. It was me who found out that Discover was needed.

Jesus! You people! 🙁

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This nonsense all began because you were looking for "tuner". You failed to do the very first thing when looking for a package: Is it in the repositories? Well, yes it is in the 15.5 repository, as Andrei showed after you claimed a zypper search failed to find it. So all this BS was not necessary in the first place. But never mind, let's go on to finding out how to handle the AppStream mime, because that is clearly going to be an important thing to know, now and in the future. Yesterday, if you had done an effective Google search when you were on Elesar, you would have found the solution almost immediately. I found it within only a few minutes of beginning my search. I posted what I found, but that seems not to have been of interest to you, since you didn't bother to reply. Emphasis on the word "effective". I have usually found it useful to include the word "Linux" in the search phrase, so as to (hopefully) exclude all the Win-doze garbage that Google thinks I need. What you did post to open this thread is very wrong or misleading: That post suggests there is a button labelled "AppStream install" on https://search.opensuse.org/packages/. There is not. Type in "tuner" and do the search, and there is no such button on the result page either. I have no idea why you even bothered to continue the search, because as you said, there is no option here to search in Leap 15.5. Never mind, let's continue. Here is what you get when you have done the search: https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/b9d5f543d7df Now you still have to click on "View" under "tuner" to get to where you will find the AppStream Install button. All that was missing from your first post, and you expect us to be able to solve your problem for you? Give me a break, Carlos. This is not the first time you have posted incomplete or inaccurate information. We are not mind readers. Finally: You now say that you learned on your own how to handle the AppStream meme. If so, then why in hell did you not post in here, immediately, that you had resolved the issue? Then (maybe???) this thread would have come to an end already, and we could move on to the next of your non-issues. And you have the colossal audacity to suggest that I might have an animosity towards you???????

Carlos E. R.

12:27

On 2024-04-01 04:51, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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On 2024-03-31 14:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2024-03-31 22:01, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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On 2024-03-31 13:35, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

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Reading that, you will find this: "Not sure if this is still relevant to your situation, but for the sake of posterity: At least for Ubuntu, download "Discover" [software center] from the "Ubuntu Software" app. From there, AppStream links should work fine." No, he wants it his way. This is a ridiculous thread. If this was googled in

Op zondag 31 maart 2024 21:29:55 CEST schreef Darryl Gregorash: the first place instead of posting here .....

Maybe everyone should just stop replying when he opens a new thread. Then maybe he'll get the hint. ;)

Maybe you have a vested animosity towards me.

If that were true, I would not be sending replies to you at all -- ever. And I certainly would not have typed that 'wink' in the previous post.

In an earlier reply to Patrick, you wrote this:

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Yesterday, when I needed this, that computer which is 30 km from here, just did nothing when clicking on the link. I did not know that I needed Discover, Google did not tell me, the opensuse.org wiki did not tell me, and nobody told me when I asked.

Today, /I/ found in my main machine that Firefox opened the link with Discover. It was me who found out that Discover was needed.

Jesus! You people! 🙁

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This nonsense all began because you were looking for "tuner". You failed to do the very first thing when looking for a package: Is it in the repositories?

No, I did not fail. That was the first thing I did. IT WAS NOT! The machine I was using, the only one available to me at that moment, said it was not in any installed repo. I did "zypper search tuner". Result was nil. I did "opi tuner" (I had to install opi first). Result was it wasn't. Still gives that result, posted on another email. Here: Telcontar:~ # opi tuner Searching repos for: tuner 1. mysqltuner 2. streamtuner2 3. R-tuneR 4. postgresqltuner 5. R-tehtuner 6. vtuner-apps 7. R-tuneRanger 8. R-kerastuneR 9. everytone-tuner 10. perl-Guitar-Tuner 11. lv2-everytone-tuner 12. vst-everytone-tuner 13. vst3-everytone-tuner 14. vtuner-apps-debuginfo 15. vtuner-apps-debugsource Pick a number (0 to quit): 0 Telcontar:~ # Finally I used https://search.opensuse.org/packages/. There I found that there is no search for 15.5, so I tried Tumbleweed, which told me that there was an Appstream thing, which I thought (mistakenly) was a link of sorts to a flatpack, which can be used in any distro. But Firefox did nothing with that link. Then I asked about that Appstream thing, not about tuner. It is still in the subject. And then I got attacked. Ok, the first "zypper search tuner" failed for unknown reasons I will have to investigate, because the package is there.

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Well, yes it is in the 15.5 repository, as Andrei showed after you claimed a zypper search failed to find it. So all this BS was not necessary in the first place. But never mind, let's go on to finding out how to handle the AppStream mime, because that is clearly going to be an important thing to know, now and in the future.

Yesterday, if you had done an effective Google search when you were on Elesar, you would have found the solution almost immediately. I found it within only a few minutes of beginning my search. I posted what I found, but that seems not to have been of interest to you, since you didn't bother to reply.

And you are lying again, because I said that I googled. I did google on site, but found nothing. What I found was instructions for developers for creating appstream links, not on users on how to use them. It is certainly possible that I failed to use the perfect search string. It is certainly possible that I made mistakes in my commands. It is certainly possible that my machine is broken somehow. That's why one asks for help, right? I have been here in these mail lists for more than twenty years helping people. Is it so terrible that now and then I'm stuck and I have to ask for help?

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Emphasis on the word "effective". I have usually found it useful to include the word "Linux" in the search phrase, so as to (hopefully) exclude all the Win-doze garbage that Google thinks I need.

I did include the word Linux.

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What you did post to open this thread is very wrong or misleading: That post suggests there is a button labelled "AppStream install" on https://search.opensuse.org/packages/. There is not.

There is, and I posted the photos. I'll repost: Sequence of pages and photos: 0) https://search.opensuse.org/packages/ https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/4a9687b21c41 There is no search for leap 15.5 1) https://search.opensuse.org/packages/ https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/348240ed3e3c Click on "search". I get: 2) https://software.opensuse.org/search?q=tuner&baseproject=openSUSE%3AFactory https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/71f5999e7f30 Click on the photo at the leftmost, I get: 3) https://software.opensuse.org/package/tuner https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/9ab7af9fd7ab

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Type in "tuner" and do the search, and there is no such button on the result page either. I have no idea why you even bothered to continue the search, because as you said, there is no option here to search in Leap 15.5. Never mind, let's continue. Here is what you get when you have done the search: https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/b9d5f543d7df Now you still have to click on "View" under "tuner" to get to where you will find the AppStream Install button. All that was missing from your first post, and you expect us to be able to solve your problem for you? Give me a break, Carlos. This is not the first time you have posted incomplete or inaccurate information. We are not mind readers.

Finally: You now say that you learned on your own how to handle the AppStream meme. If so, then why in hell did you not post in here, immediately, that you had resolved the issue? Then (maybe???) this thread would have come to an end already, and we could move on to the next of your non-issues.

I did post the information immediately, as soon as I got it.

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And you have the colossal audacity to suggest that I might have an animosity towards you???????

Because you people have been attacking me since the start :-/ -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Darryl Gregorash

19:40

On 2024-04-01 06:27, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2024-04-01 04:51, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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This nonsense all began because you were looking for "tuner". You failed to do the very first thing when looking for a package: Is it in the repositories?

No, I did not fail. That was the first thing I did. IT WAS NOT!

The machine I was using, the only one available to me at that moment, said it was not in any installed repo.

I did "zypper search tuner". Unlike others, I'm not about to accuse anyone of lying to the forum. I'll just suggest that you may have misspelled tuner, and failed to notice. Tuner has been in the Main Repo since May of last year.

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Then I asked about that Appstream thing, not about tuner. It is still in the subject.

And then I got attacked.

You weren't attacked. People were complaining to you that what you described was not what they were seeing when they went to replicate the problem. As I said, your very first post implies that the AppStream button is on software.o.o It isn't. It isn't even in the next page, rather it's in the 3rd page of the sequence.

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Yesterday, if you had done an effective Google search when you were on Elesar, you would have found the solution almost immediately....

And you are lying again, because I said that I googled. I did google on site, but found nothing. What I found was instructions for developers for creating appstream links, not on users on how to use them. I really do wish you would stop accusing me of lying. I did not suggest or claim that you failed to do a google search. I also did not use the word "perfect". Note the presence of the word "effective".

Well, it turns out that your search phrase is as effective as mine; both returned that reference to the Ubuntu forum post in the top 3 of the search results. So, since I am adamant that I will not accuse you of lying, I will merely suggest that you failed to do the second, even more essential, part of a google search: You must not have actually read any of the search results very carefully. If you had, you would have quickly found that Ubuntu forum page, and immediately had the answer to the problem. That link stands out like a sore thumb, because a) it is number 2 in the results list (using your search phrase), and b) it is titled "How to handle appstream:// links in Ubuntu?"

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What you did post to open this thread is very wrong or misleading: That post suggests there is a button labelled "AppStream install" on https://search.opensuse.org/packages/. There is not.

There is, and I posted the photos. I'll repost:

I don't need to see your photos because I have my own, remember? I will merely state what is clear: what you are saying here is quite different from what is implied in your VERY FIRST POST, which gives absolutely zero of the steps necessary to get from the start to the page where you find the AppStream button. Do you get that? Let me spell it out for you again: Like so many of your posts in here, what you said is incomplete -- especially when you are opening a new thread. You omitted all the steps necessary to get from the starting point on software.o.o to the page where the AppStream install button is actually found. I really should not have to say this to you, of all people. You have been around here long enough to know that a complete description of the problem is necessary so that people wishing to help have all the steps necessary for them to replicate the problem. It should not be necessary for them to figure that out on their own.

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And you have the colossal audacity to suggest that I might have an animosity towards you???????

Because you people have been attacking me since the start :-/

See all above. I see few, if any, posts in here that can even be remotely construed as attacks against you personally. What I do see is reply after reply after reply complaining that you have failed to give all the pertinent information -- and those posts are completely justifiable.

Carlos E. R.

31 Mar 31 Mar

20:24

On 2024-03-31 21:29, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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On 2024-03-31 11:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2024-03-31 19:05, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On 31.03.2024 18:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The FF on Telcontar opens "Discover" with that link, which points to appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner. The FF on Elesar does nothing.

So install Discover on Elesar, I am not sure what is the question. As with any other URI scheme or MIME type you need application that can handle this URI/MIME type. On Telcontar you have such application, on Elesar you do not. It has absolutely nothing to do with FF itself.

At the moment I posted the question, I only had that machine available (which is 35 Km away), so I had no way to know that I needed to install Discover. Do you have internet on Elesar? A browser? A keyboard?

Yes, and I googled, found nothing relevant. I found links for developers that wanted to create them. Nothing about how to install them. Not even at the opensuse.org wiki: https://en.opensuse.org/AppStream

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Google: what handles mime type appstream linux

Well, that search string did not occur to me. I am not omniscient. I did ask google something like "how to use appstream urls in linux?"

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Among all the results, you will find this one, it's 3rd from the top here:

https://askubuntu.com/questions/1176247/how-to-handle-appstream-links-in-ubu...

Reading that, you will find this: "Not sure if this is still relevant to your situation, but for the sake of posterity: At least for Ubuntu, download "Discover" [software center] from the "Ubuntu Software" app. From there, AppStream links should work fine."

Ok, now I know. Thanks. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Darryl Gregorash

1 Apr 1 Apr

02:57

On 2024-03-31 14:24, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2024-03-31 21:29, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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On 2024-03-31 11:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2024-03-31 19:05, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On 31.03.2024 18:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The FF on Telcontar opens "Discover" with that link, which points to appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner. The FF on Elesar does nothing.

So install Discover on Elesar, I am not sure what is the question. As with any other URI scheme or MIME type you need application that can handle this URI/MIME type. On Telcontar you have such application, on Elesar you do not. It has absolutely nothing to do with FF itself.

At the moment I posted the question, I only had that machine available (which is 35 Km away), so I had no way to know that I needed to install Discover. Do you have internet on Elesar? A browser? A keyboard?

Yes, and I googled, found nothing relevant. I found links for developers that wanted to create them. Nothing about how to install them. Not even at the opensuse.org wiki:

https://en.opensuse.org/AppStream

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Google: what handles mime type appstream linux

Well, that search string did not occur to me. I am not omniscient. I did ask google something like "how to use appstream urls in linux?"

With that very same search phrase, the Ubuntu URL I posted before is 2nd from the top here.

Carlos E. R.

12:21

On 2024-04-01 04:57, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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On 2024-03-31 14:24, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2024-03-31 21:29, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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On 2024-03-31 11:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2024-03-31 19:05, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On 31.03.2024 18:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The FF on Telcontar opens "Discover" with that link, which points to appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner. The FF on Elesar does nothing.

So install Discover on Elesar, I am not sure what is the question. As with any other URI scheme or MIME type you need application that can handle this URI/MIME type. On Telcontar you have such application, on Elesar you do not. It has absolutely nothing to do with FF itself.

At the moment I posted the question, I only had that machine available (which is 35 Km away), so I had no way to know that I needed to install Discover. Do you have internet on Elesar? A browser? A keyboard?

Yes, and I googled, found nothing relevant. I found links for developers that wanted to create them. Nothing about how to install them. Not even at the opensuse.org wiki:

https://en.opensuse.org/AppStream

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Google: what handles mime type appstream linux

Well, that search string did not occur to me. I am not omniscient. I did ask google something like "how to use appstream urls in linux?"

With that very same search phrase, the Ubuntu URL I posted before is 2nd from the top here.

I don't know if that was my exact search phrase. Also, results can change position from one day to another. What I know is that I did not see or notice that link at the time. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Darryl Gregorash

19:47

On 2024-04-01 06:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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What I know is that I did not see or notice that link at the time.

Then you weren't reading the results very carefully. I've just finished doing repeat tests for this search, using both your and my search phrases. Six searches, and the Ubuntu link is in the top 3 every time. And the page title certainly stands out like a sore thumb, does it not?

Dave Howorth

31 Mar 31 Mar

20:19

On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 19:50:01 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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There is still the mystery of what is actually that link: appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner

I tried:

cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/appstream> wget http://com.github.louis77.tuner --2024-03-31 19:46:42-- http://com.github.louis77.tuner/ Resolving com.github.louis77.tuner (com.github.louis77.tuner)... failed: Name or service not known. wget: unable to resolve host address ‘com.github.louis77.tuner’ cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/appstream>

Do you expect any link that isn't in the correct (for URLs) order/format to work? URLs aren't big-endian! Try instead: https://github.com/louis77/tuner

Carlos E. R.

20:28

On 2024-03-31 22:19, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 19:50:01 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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There is still the mystery of what is actually that link: appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner

I tried:

cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/appstream> wget http://com.github.louis77.tuner --2024-03-31 19:46:42-- http://com.github.louis77.tuner/ Resolving com.github.louis77.tuner (com.github.louis77.tuner)... failed: Name or service not known. wget: unable to resolve host address ‘com.github.louis77.tuner’ cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/appstream>

Do you expect any link that isn't in the correct (for URLs) order/format to work? URLs aren't big-endian!

I have no idea what is the correct order or format.

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Try instead:

https://github.com/louis77/tuner

That's the site, but that is not what Discovers downloads when given the link appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner, which I have read somewhere that it is an XML file. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Andrei Borzenkov

1 Apr 1 Apr

07:00

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 11:19 PM Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 19:50:01 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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There is still the mystery of what is actually that link: appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner

I tried:

cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/appstream> wget http://com.github.louis77.tuner --2024-03-31 19:46:42-- http://com.github.louis77.tuner/ Resolving com.github.louis77.tuner (com.github.louis77.tuner)... failed: Name or service not known. wget: unable to resolve host address ‘com.github.louis77.tuner’ cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/appstream>

Do you expect any link that isn't in the correct (for URLs) order/format to work? URLs aren't big-endian!

Try instead:

https://github.com/louis77/tuner

That is a rather bad example. Even if you can get at the location of this software from its Application ID using your background, experience or second guess it is more or less accidental. The "com.github.louis77.tuner" is an Application ID and the only requirement for Application ID is being uniqueue. Nothing prevents this software from using "c3d10f2d-af46-4809-8a53-59ef2702d866" as its Application ID, the end result would be exactly the same. It is just that human beings for some inexplicable reasons prefer meaningful IDs (at least, IDs which they perceive meaningful) and deriving ID from its hosting DNS name turned out to be reasonably unique and more meaningful. Besides, accessing https://github.com/louis77/tuner has absolutely nothing to do with installing or getting information about the application with Application ID "com.github.louis77.tuner". So how exactly is it helpful to anyone?

Dave Howorth

11:27

On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 10:00:50 +0300 Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 11:19 PM Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 19:50:01 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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There is still the mystery of what is actually that link: appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner

I tried:

cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/appstream> wget http://com.github.louis77.tuner --2024-03-31 19:46:42-- http://com.github.louis77.tuner/ Resolving com.github.louis77.tuner (com.github.louis77.tuner)... failed: Name or service not known. wget: unable to resolve host address ‘com.github.louis77.tuner’ cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/appstream>

Do you expect any link that isn't in the correct (for URLs) order/format to work? URLs aren't big-endian!

Try instead:

https://github.com/louis77/tuner

That is a rather bad example. Even if you can get at the location of this software from its Application ID using your background, experience or second guess it is more or less accidental. The "com.github.louis77.tuner" is an Application ID and the only requirement for Application ID is being uniqueue. Nothing prevents this software from using "c3d10f2d-af46-4809-8a53-59ef2702d866" as its Application ID, the end result would be exactly the same.

Obviously, but in this case it does work, and it's quite obvious by inspection that Carlos' approach would not work in any case.

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It is just that human beings for some inexplicable reasons prefer meaningful IDs (at least, IDs which they perceive meaningful) and deriving ID from its hosting DNS name turned out to be reasonably unique and more meaningful.

Besides, accessing https://github.com/louis77/tuner has absolutely nothing to do with installing or getting information about the application with Application ID "com.github.louis77.tuner". So how exactly is it helpful to anyone?

Why did Carlos try his access? I neither know nor care; I'm simply showing him how to approach such problems. How exactly is your reponse helpful?

Carlos E. R.

12:19

On 2024-04-01 09:00, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 11:19 PM Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 19:50:01 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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There is still the mystery of what is actually that link: appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner

I tried:

cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/appstream> wget http://com.github.louis77.tuner --2024-03-31 19:46:42-- http://com.github.louis77.tuner/ Resolving com.github.louis77.tuner (com.github.louis77.tuner)... failed: Name or service not known. wget: unable to resolve host address ‘com.github.louis77.tuner’ cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/appstream>

Do you expect any link that isn't in the correct (for URLs) order/format to work? URLs aren't big-endian!

Try instead:

https://github.com/louis77/tuner

That is a rather bad example. Even if you can get at the location of this software from its Application ID using your background, experience or second guess it is more or less accidental. The "com.github.louis77.tuner" is an Application ID and the only requirement for Application ID is being uniqueue. Nothing prevents this software from using "c3d10f2d-af46-4809-8a53-59ef2702d866" as its Application ID, the end result would be exactly the same.

It is just that human beings for some inexplicable reasons prefer meaningful IDs (at least, IDs which they perceive meaningful) and deriving ID from its hosting DNS name turned out to be reasonably unique and more meaningful.

Besides, accessing https://github.com/louis77/tuner has absolutely nothing to do with installing or getting information about the application with Application ID "com.github.louis77.tuner". So how exactly is it helpful to anyone?

Ah, ok, so something translates appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner to an "application ID", which is not related to https://github.com/louis77/tuner. Thanks. We are getting somewhere. https://wiki.debian.org/AppStream/Guidelines It appears there is some sort of database hosted by Debian and Ubuntu: «Visit https://appstream.debian.org/ or http://appstream.ubuntu.com/ to see the metadata status per package. Any errors will cause processing to stop and need to be rectified before your package will be included in the exported metadata.» «AppStream metadata is to be placed in the /usr/share/metainfo/ directory and must be placed in the package which should be installed in order to get the software described by the respective metadata. This means that you might need to move the *.metainfo.xml or *.appdata.xml to the right (meta)package.» Ah, lets see: cer@Telcontar:~> ls /usr/share/metainfo/com.github.louis77.tuner ls: cannot access '/usr/share/metainfo/com.github.louis77.tuner': No such file or directory cer@Telcontar:~> ls /usr/share/metainfo/ | grep tuner com.github.louis77.tuner.appdata.xml cer@Telcontar:~> Interesting. I wonder if the information on that file can be used to create the start menu on desktops. Is there a way to read that file before installing the package, having only appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner? Maybe YaST should also handle these. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Andrei Borzenkov

17:59

On 01.04.2024 15:19, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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cer@Telcontar:~> ls /usr/share/metainfo/com.github.louis77.tuner ls: cannot access '/usr/share/metainfo/com.github.louis77.tuner': No such file or directory cer@Telcontar:~> ls /usr/share/metainfo/ | grep tuner com.github.louis77.tuner.appdata.xml cer@Telcontar:~>

/usr/share/metainfo contains metadata for the installed applications. The catalog of available applications is in /var/cache/swcatalog (or /var/cache/app-info in Leap).

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Interesting.

I wonder if the information on that file can be used to create the start menu on desktops.

No.

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Is there a way to read that file before installing the package, having only appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner?

Sure. Use any program that supports AppStream. Discover, GNOME Software, may be there are some others. Use CLI tools like appstreamcli. Or just read the metadata source directly - look for a file *-appdata.xml.gz in any repository or in /var/cache/zypp.

Andrei Borzenkov

06:49

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 8:50 PM Carlos E. R. wrote:

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There is still the mystery of what is actually that link: appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner

As with any other URI it means: use protocol "appstream" to access resource with name "com.github.luis77.tuner" And as with any other URI, if the program where you clicked this link does not know how to handle the protocol "appstream", it is supposed to lookup the program that can handle it and invoke this program. It has been working this way for the past 30 years, starting with the venerable http://... links, so I am rather at a loss why it suddenly became a problem in this particular case.

Darryl Gregorash

08:38

On 2024-04-01 00:49, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 8:50 PM Carlos E. R. wrote:

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There is still the mystery of what is actually that link: appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner

As with any other URI it means:

use protocol "appstream" to access resource with name "com.github.luis77.tuner"

And as with any other URI, if the program where you clicked this link does not know how to handle the protocol "appstream", it is supposed to lookup the program that can handle it and invoke this program.

It has been working this way for the past 30 years, starting with the venerable http://... links, so I am rather at a loss why it suddenly became a problem in this particular case. You will recall that Carlos stated that, on the system in question, Discover is/was not actually installed. I just installed it to check it out, and it even found tuner in the 15.5 repository, though I had clicked the install button in the Tumbleweed page for tuner on software.o.o

Andrei Borzenkov

08:57

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 11:38 AM Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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On 2024-04-01 00:49, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 8:50 PM Carlos E. R. wrote:

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There is still the mystery of what is actually that link: appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner

As with any other URI it means:

use protocol "appstream" to access resource with name "com.github.luis77.tuner"

And as with any other URI, if the program where you clicked this link does not know how to handle the protocol "appstream", it is supposed to lookup the program that can handle it and invoke this program.

It has been working this way for the past 30 years, starting with the venerable http://... links, so I am rather at a loss why it suddenly became a problem in this particular case. You will recall that Carlos stated that, on the system in question, Discover is/was not actually installed. I just installed it to check it out, and it even found tuner in the 15.5 repository, though I had clicked the install button in the Tumbleweed page for tuner on software.o.o

Of course. Where do you see any reference to the distribution in the application id "com.github.luis77.tuner"? Discover on Leap 15.5 tries to find applications in the catalog for Leap 15.5.; Discover on Tumbleweed would look in the catalog for Tumbleweed. Unless the system is severely misconfigured.

Carlos E. R.

12:19

On 2024-04-01 08:49, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:

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On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 8:50 PM Carlos E. R. wrote:

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There is still the mystery of what is actually that link: appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner

As with any other URI it means:

use protocol "appstream" to access resource with name "com.github.luis77.tuner"

Ok, yes.

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And as with any other URI, if the program where you clicked this link does not know how to handle the protocol "appstream", it is supposed to lookup the program that can handle it and invoke this program.

It has been working this way for the past 30 years, starting with the venerable http://... links, so I am rather at a loss why it suddenly became a problem in this particular case.

Thanks for clarifying. I didn't know this definition. Thanks also for explaining that it searches and how for the correct distro. I'll add some more information I found. Discover is a Plasma utility. Plasma is installed in this big desktop machine, but not in the remote machine I was using the other day. Gnome also has a tool for handling appstream, I think it is "gnome software". This is related or part of package kit, a tool I almost always uninstall and taboo. Specially on a machine used by other people or a machine with metered internet. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Andrei Borzenkov

12:49

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 3:20 PM Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Gnome also has a tool for handling appstream, I think it is "gnome software".

Correct.

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This is related or part of package kit,

Wrong. PackageKit is simply one of the supported backends of GNOME Software just like AppStream.

Dave Howorth

30 Mar 30 Mar

17:43

On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 18:22:08 +0100 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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Hi,

On the openSUSE package search page,

https://search.opensuse.org/packages/

(which has no entry for Leap 15.5 yet)

I get a button named [AppStream Install].

I see no such button.

...

Clicking there nothing happens. The URL is:

appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner

Obviously, FF doesn't know what to do with that, and doesn't even say I don't know what this is.

The wiki page on it:

https://en.opensuse.org/AppStream

Doesn't provide useful information, like how to install such a package on Leap or what to do with FF.

It does say "AppStream is a FreeDesktop.org standard" and thus https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Distributions/AppStream/ tells more about the project.

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I have done this on another computer, but I'm not on that location and don't have my notes on it. Google wants to teach me on how to create them, which is not what I want.

Google gives a wikipedia link among other things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppStream Given I haven't yet encountered a project started 13 years ago, I doubt it's very exciting for me.

Carlos E. R.

17:52

On 2024-03-30 18:43, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 18:22:08 +0100 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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Hi,

On the openSUSE package search page,

https://search.opensuse.org/packages/

(which has no entry for Leap 15.5 yet)

I get a button named [AppStream Install].

I see no such button.

...
Clicking there nothing happens. The URL is:

appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner

Obviously, FF doesn't know what to do with that, and doesn't even say I don't know what this is.

The wiki page on it:

https://en.opensuse.org/AppStream

Doesn't provide useful information, like how to install such a package on Leap or what to do with FF.

It does say "AppStream is a FreeDesktop.org standard" and thus https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Distributions/AppStream/ tells more about the project.

I do not want to know about the project. I want to know how to install "appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner" in my machine, in the approved openSUSE style. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from Elesar, using openSUSE Leap 15.5)

Knurpht-openSUSE

18:00

Op zaterdag 30 maart 2024 18:52:20 CET schreef Carlos E. R.:

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I do not want to know about the project. I want to know how to install "appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner" in my machine, in the approved openSUSE style. So you want others to spoon feed you? You could at least do some research yourself, couldn't you?

-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board openSUSE Forums Team

Carlos E. R.

18:07

On 2024-03-30 19:00, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

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Op zaterdag 30 maart 2024 18:52:20 CET schreef Carlos E. R.:

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I do not want to know about the project. I want to know how to install "appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner" in my machine, in the approved openSUSE style. So you want others to spoon feed you? You could at least do some research yourself, couldn't you?

I did, found nothing. Maybe you can suggest a google phrase that will find it? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from Elesar, using openSUSE Leap 15.5)

Dave Howorth

20:18

On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 18:52:20 +0100 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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On 2024-03-30 18:43, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 18:22:08 +0100 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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Hi,

On the openSUSE package search page,

https://search.opensuse.org/packages/

(which has no entry for Leap 15.5 yet)

I get a button named [AppStream Install].

I see no such button.

...
Clicking there nothing happens. The URL is:

appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner

Obviously, FF doesn't know what to do with that, and doesn't even say I don't know what this is.

The wiki page on it:

https://en.opensuse.org/AppStream

Doesn't provide useful information, like how to install such a package on Leap or what to do with FF.

It does say "AppStream is a FreeDesktop.org standard" and thus https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Distributions/AppStream/ tells more about the project.

I do not want to know about the project. I want to know how to install "appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner" in my machine, in the approved openSUSE style.

I think you lied in your first post. I don't think you saw the button on https://search.opensuse.org/packages/ but rather you went there, searched for 'tuner', clicked the View link for the Tuner entry and finally saw the claimed button on https://software.opensuse.org/package/tuner If you then choose openSUSE Leap 15.5, you'll see it says ""There is no official package available for openSUSE Leap 15.5" so presumably there is no [acceptable] answer to your question.

Darryl Gregorash

31 Mar 31 Mar

00:06

On 2024-03-30 14:18, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 18:52:20 +0100 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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I do not want to know about the project. I want to know how to install "appstream://com.github.louis77.tuner" in my machine, in the approved openSUSE style.

I think you lied in your first post....

Would you two please stop it? This has, like so many of your other exchanges, gone past being merely annoying.

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