On Sat, 2001-12-29 at 16:06, b.w.nilsson@telia.com wrote:
Hi!
I do agree with Anders. Please take the original message for what it is, i.e. a kind reminder of some basic rules, and not bashing on someones head. Anders doesn't pick on anyone in particular. He just made a kind remark upon some things that makes it easier for everyone in general and for people like Anders, who is a great contributor in terms of questions answered, in particular. I recon that we all agree upon the great value of this list and while I strongly support the idea of having as few rules as possible, some rules for this list are needed.
Happy new year
Björn
Hi Bjoern, I agree, sticking to some 'rules' would make life easier for everybody. But I have been to a German list for only a single weekend, posting one single question, receiving only one on-topic answer, about five RTFM's and twenty 'Newbie-hatred' flame messages. And that's where 'Netiquette' has led to in Germany and maybe I am 'over-cautious' here. Do you want to know why they were flaming me? Well, I never use my family name, because it's far too complicated. Even if I explain it to someone, this person will definitely mistype it. And I'm kinda tired of this! Happy new Year too ... Wolfi ============================================= mailto:wolfi_z@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
* wolfi (wolfi_z@yahoo.com) [011229 07:50]: ->I agree, sticking to some 'rules' would make life easier for everybody. ->But I have been to a German list for only a single weekend, posting one ->single question, receiving only one on-topic answer, about five RTFM's ->and twenty 'Newbie-hatred' flame messages. ->And that's where 'Netiquette' has led to in Germany and maybe I am ->'over-cautious' here. ->Do you want to know why they were flaming me? Well, I never use my ->family name, because it's far too complicated. Even if I explain it to ->someone, this person will definitely mistype it. And I'm kinda tired of ->this! -> ->Happy new Year too ... -> Wolfi, We can't even get people to just reply to the list instead of replying to all and producing tons of duplicates. It's all related..people don't seem to care to use signals to change lanes on the highway, they butt in line in stores..etc..etc. It's a world society of "I'll do what I please because I feel I have a right to do it." and this is sad. We would have to moderate the list and have strict filters to make sure people follow the rules. Rules seem to be something that people only follow when forced to do so. Cheers! -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...
At 10:15 12/29/2001 -0800, Ben Rosenberg wrote: /snip/
We can't even get people to just reply to the list instead of replying to all and producing tons of duplicates.
/snip/ The list is not set up to just reply to the list. If I just hit reply, it replies only to the fellow who wrote the email. It is a separate step to reply "all" and then delete "Ben Rosenberg" from the To: function. If it is desired that the reply only be to the list, then the From: should read "SuSE-linux-e@suse.com" and I'm sure the smart folks that maintain the list could make that happen, if that is the desired behaviour. Not trying to smart off, just making an observation. --doug
I looked up the faq Suse sent. Extract below ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Q2. Why do my replies go to the original poster and not the list? A2. We do not "munge" the mail headers by inserting a "Reply-To: suse-linux-e@suse.com" because it makes it more difficult subscribers to handle the mail the way they want to. Your mail client probably has a "reply" function as well as a "reply to all" or "reply to list" one; Please use the latter if you want you message to go to the list and not just to the original poster. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Regards, David On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:00:58 -0500, Doug McGarrett wrote:
We can't even get people to just reply to the list instead of replying to all and producing tons of duplicates.
/snip/ The list is not set up to just reply to the list. If I just hit reply, it replies only to the fellow who wrote the email. It is a separate step to reply "all" and then delete "Ben Rosenberg" from the To: function. If it is desired that the reply only be to the list, then the From: should read "SuSE -linux-e@suse.com" and I'm sure the smart folks that maintain the list could make that happen, if that is the desired behaviour.
Just do what I do, right click on the SuSE-linux-E@suse.com in the preview pane and hit "reply-to", it goes dirrectly to the list. On Saturday 29 December 2001 02:32 pm, you wrote:
I looked up the faq Suse sent. Extract below
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Q2. Why do my replies go to the original poster and not the list? A2. We do not "munge" the mail headers by inserting a "Reply-To: suse-linux-e@suse.com" because it makes it more difficult subscribers to handle the mail the way they want to. Your mail client probably has a "reply" function as well as a "reply to all" or "reply to list" one; Please use the latter if you want you message to go to the list and not just to the original poster. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Regards,
David
On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:00:58 -0500, Doug McGarrett wrote:
We can't even get people to just reply to the list instead of replying to all and producing tons of duplicates.
/snip/ The list is not set up to just reply to the list. If I just hit reply, it replies only to the fellow who wrote the email. It is a separate step to reply "all" and then delete "Ben Rosenberg" from the To: function. If it is desired that the reply only be to the list, then the From: should read "SuSE -linux-e@suse.com" and I'm sure the smart folks that maintain the list could make that happen, if that is the desired behaviour.
-- D. McGlone Powered by Red Hat linux 7.2 AIM: dmcglone27 KDE 2.2-10 and kernel 2.4-7 ICQ: 96210352 Registered Linux User 226218 -------------------------------- If it isn't Linux, it's broke
* Doug McGarrett (dougmack@i-2000.com) [011229 11:02]: ->At 10:15 12/29/2001 -0800, Ben Rosenberg wrote: ->/snip/ ->> ->>We can't even get people to just reply to the list instead of replying ->>to all and producing tons of duplicates. ->> ->/snip/ ->The list is not set up to just reply to the list. If I just hit reply, ->it replies only to the fellow who wrote the email. It is a separate ->step to reply "all" and then delete "Ben Rosenberg" from the To: ->function. If it is desired that the reply only be to the list, then ->the From: should read "SuSE-linux-e@suse.com" and I'm sure the ->smart folks that maintain the list could make that happen, if that is the ->desired behaviour. -> ->Not trying to smart off, just making an observation. True..very true. But this again boils down to Netiquette. Before I discovered a way to make this happen with procmail. I would take the time to change the To: field..a lot of people do not. They expect everything to be done for them. Clicking into the To: field in a GUI mailer and replacing the persons address w/ the suse list address isn't that hard and if it's in the address book of most mailers. Then one can type the first few letters and just tab. Netscape/Mozilla mail will attempt to get the address your typing from the first few letters. Mutt can be made to do this by pressing t then if you backspace over the address and hit the entry in the aliases file that is setup..such as mine which has suse-linue-e@suse.com aliased to sle..then it will put the correct address in the field. People simple don't care about doing the right thing..they want it done for them even if it's been stated that it won't happen..it's almost like saying.."If they won't do this then I won't do it either..nananana :P " I take no excuse for bad manners. This isn't directed at you..it's a general behavior I see. -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...
On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 11:59:40AM -0800, Ben Rosenberg wrote: -> Mutt -> can be made to do this by pressing t then if you backspace over the -> address and hit the entry in the aliases file that is setup..such as -> mine which has suse-linue-e@suse.com aliased to sle..then it will put -> the correct address in the field. There's an easier way with mutt, too. In my ~/.muttrc I have a line that starts with "subscribe", and lists the first part of the mailing address for lists I subscribe to. Here's an example: subscribe mutt-dev mutt-users suse- Then, while reading messages from any of the lists whose address start with "suse-", the message list window will show an "L" next to the message. If I then type "L", it will start a quoted reply to the mailing list address, automagically. Michael -- "# chmod a+x /bin/laden" Michael Nelson San Francisco, CA
On Saturday 29 Dec 2001 19:00, Doug McGarrett wrote:
At 10:15 12/29/2001 -0800, Ben Rosenberg wrote: /snip/
We can't even get people to just reply to the list instead of replying to all and producing tons of duplicates.
/snip/ The list is not set up to just reply to the list. If I just hit reply, it replies only to the fellow who wrote the email. It is a separate step to reply "all" and then delete "Ben Rosenberg" from the To: function. If it is desired that the reply only be to the list, then the From: should read "SuSE-linux-e@suse.com" and I'm sure the smart folks that maintain the list could make that happen, if that is the desired behaviour.
Not trying to smart off, just making an observation.
Well. in KMail (1.3.2), it's just a question of pressing 'L' to reply to the list. My understanding is that most mail clients will have a similar "command". BTW, no original input on my part here. It was explained on the list (around 6 months ago) by someone much cleverer than me. -- Vic
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