[opensuse] 64bit gone sour, downgrade to 32bit, how?
Hello All, The title kinda sez it all. I installed openSuSE 64 bit on a "homebrew" with a 3.2 GHz P4 ECS P4M800PRO-M MB with 2 GB of ram, 80 G SATA drive. It was installed as dualboot witth Vista Home premium. I have used SuSE since 6.4 off and on and used it heavily from 7.1 to 9.3. Then work forced me back to learn WinXP Pro and now Vista. I have installed 10.0, 10.2 on other machines prior to installing 10.2 default on this box. Originally I was using the on-board Realtek NIC, wired. I rarely used 10.2 and it sailed along effortless. I moved to a new residence and had to go wireless. My researched suggested RaLink RT2561 as compatible with both Linux and Vista, so I bought a card based on that chipset. Vista worked right away. It took some time to get it working under Linux. Then on Friday, I decided to try Linspire 2.0 LiveCD which failed on this box. Every since then the RaLink wireless PCI appears removed to the Linux network under 10.2. If I run lspci -v the card is there, so it is seen by the kernel. I decided to go with driverloader and it helps but no cigar. A long story to ask this simple question. I want to go back to 32 bit. How? Wipe it clean and start from scratch, realizing I still will have the Ralink PCI card (RT61), and can the 64bit be downgraded to 32 bit? Much help appreciated. If this has already been answered in a thread somewhere, please forgive me. Thanks in advance, --Keith -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
64-bit installs are great for generic server roles, on largish hardware. For desktop use, or any situation where you need to worry about 3rd party software or drivers, linux/32 is the way to go, based on my education in the school of hard knocks. There's no easy way to convert a 64-bit install to 32-bit. Just save off the important stuff somewhere, and do a clean install. You're much more likely to have success resolving any driver issues on the 32-bit install. Joe kbboykin@comcast.net wrote:
Hello All,
The title kinda sez it all. I installed openSuSE 64 bit on a "homebrew" with a 3.2 GHz P4 ECS P4M800PRO-M MB with 2 GB of ram, 80 G SATA drive. It was installed as dualboot witth Vista Home premium. I have used SuSE since 6.4 off and on and used it heavily from 7.1 to 9.3. Then work forced me back to learn WinXP Pro and now Vista. I have installed 10.0, 10.2 on other machines prior to installing 10.2 default on this box. Originally I was using the on-board Realtek NIC, wired. I rarely used 10.2 and it sailed along effortless. I moved to a new residence and had to go wireless. My researched suggested RaLink RT2561 as compatible with both Linux and Vista, so I bought a card based on that chipset. Vista worked right away. It took some time to get it working under Linux. Then on Friday, I decided to try Linspire 2.0 LiveCD which failed on this box. Every since then the RaLink wireless PCI appears removed to the Linux network under 10.2. If I run lspci -v the card is there, so it is seen by the kernel. I decided to go with driverloader and it helps but no cigar.
A long story to ask this simple question. I want to go back to 32 bit. How? Wipe it clean and start from scratch, realizing I still will have the Ralink PCI card (RT61), and can the 64bit be downgraded to 32 bit? Much help appreciated. If this has already been answered in a thread somewhere, please forgive me.
Thanks in advance,
--Keith -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:43:53 -0700, joe wrote:
You're much more likely to have success resolving any driver issues on the 32-bit install.
That's just not true! The only case where a 64 bit Linux can be a problem is when you need to use a binary only driver and the manufacturer doesn't supply it. My experience shows that open source drivers are mostly just as bad or good on a 32 bit Linux as they are on a 64 bit one. So if a driver doesn't work under 64 bit Linux chances are very low it'll suddenly start to work as a 32 bit version. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Philipp Thomas wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:43:53 -0700, joe wrote:
You're much more likely to have success resolving any driver issues on the 32-bit install.
That's just not true! The only case where a 64 bit Linux can be a problem is when you need to use a binary only driver and the manufacturer doesn't supply it. My experience shows that open source drivers are mostly just as bad or good on a 32 bit Linux as they are on a 64 bit one.
Hence my statement about "3rd party drivers or programs", which you snipped. I did say that linux64 is great for generic server roles on largish hardware, where you can do everything using what ships from the linux vendor, and where the hardware is big enough to benefit from the 64-bit OS.
So if a driver doesn't work under 64 bit Linux chances are very low it'll suddenly start to work as a 32 bit version.
Many vendors make only a 32-bit version of their linux offerings, or if they do make a 64-bit version, it's not well tested, and buggy. I speak from bitter experiences in the trenches, and can cite examples. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 13/08/07, joe
Philipp Thomas wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:43:53 -0700, joe wrote:
You're much more likely to have success resolving any driver issues on the 32-bit install.
That's just not true! The only case where a 64 bit Linux can be a problem is when you need to use a binary only driver and the manufacturer doesn't supply it. My experience shows that open source drivers are mostly just as bad or good on a 32 bit Linux as they are on a 64 bit one.
Hence my statement about "3rd party drivers or programs", which you snipped.
I did say that linux64 is great for generic server roles on largish hardware, where you can do everything using what ships from the linux vendor, and where the hardware is big enough to benefit from the 64-bit OS.
So if a driver doesn't work under 64 bit Linux chances are very low it'll suddenly start to work as a 32 bit version.
Many vendors make only a 32-bit version of their linux offerings, or if they do make a 64-bit version, it's not well tested, and buggy. I speak from bitter experiences in the trenches, and can cite examples.
At least RPM supports multilib, meaning you can happily run 32- and 64-bit applications side-by-side. The binary driver situation is all the more reason to support vendors that have more enlightened driver policies. Or, failing that, those that can provide reliable 64-bit drivers (grudging lift of the hat to nVidia on this). -- Michel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:03:12 -0700, joe wrote:
I did say that linux64 is great for generic server roles on largish hardware, where you can do everything using what ships from the linux vendor, and where the hardware is big enough to benefit from the 64-bit OS.
Sorry, it's not only great on servers but on desktops/workstations as well, *if* you choose the hardware wisely.
Many vendors make only a 32-bit version of their linux offerings,
That shouldn't be a problem, as you can happily run 32bit apps an biarch platform such as AMD64/EM64T. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sorry, it's not only great on servers but on desktops/workstations as well, *if* you choose the hardware wisely.
How do you do that? I mean: Which graphics adapters are "safe"? Which other adapters, devices, etc can cause problems? Where is the _updated_ list of supported hardware? -- Med venlig hilsen Kaare Rasmussen, Jasonic Jasonic Telefon: +45 3816 2582 Nordre Fasanvej 12 2000 Frederiksberg Email: kaare@jasonic.dk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday, 13. August 2007, Philipp Thomas wrote:
Many vendors make only a 32-bit version of their linux offerings,
That shouldn't be a problem, as you can happily run 32bit apps an biarch platform such as AMD64/EM64T.
Philipp
That's not always true - or I don't know how to do it. I used to run a scanning software (VueScan) that is commercial and closed source but fairly good and has the advantage to be offered on Mac OS as well (and Windows, but that does not concern me). Plus it supports some scanner that sane does not support (in turn, it does not support a few scanner out of the box that sane does support...). Well, anyway, Hamrick does not provide a 64 bit Linux version and the 32 bit version stubbornly refuses to work on my 64 installs. Thierry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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That's not always true - or I don't know how to do it. I used to run a scanning software (VueScan) that is commercial and closed source but fairly good and has the advantage to be offered on Mac OS as well (and Windows, but that does not concern me). Plus it supports some scanner that sane does not support (in turn, it does not support a few scanner out of the box that sane does support...).
Well, anyway, Hamrick does not provide a 64 bit Linux version and the 32 bit version stubbornly refuses to work on my 64 installs.
Their 32bit version seem to run ok on my x86_64 amd 4200+ (openSUSE 10.1), but I don't care for their tk-type interface and their software is quite slow (as it was on my pIII 766 coppermine). -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, 14. August 2007, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Well, anyway, Hamrick does not provide a 64 bit Linux version and the 32 bit version stubbornly refuses to work on my 64 installs.
Their 32bit version seem to run ok on my x86_64 amd 4200+ (openSUSE 10.1), but I don't care for their tk-type interface and their software is quite slow (as it was on my pIII 766 coppermine).
Interesting. Here (SuSE 10.2, x86_64 Athlon 64 X2) I get an "error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4 Thierry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Thierry de Coulon
Interesting. Here (SuSE 10.2, x86_64 Athlon 64 X2) I get an "error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4
22:51 wahoo:~/blank > locate libusb-0.1.so.4 /usr/lib/libusb-0.1.so.4 /usr/lib/libusb-0.1.so.4.4.4 /usr/lib64/libusb-0.1.so.4 /usr/lib64/libusb-0.1.so.4.4.4 22:51 wahoo:~/blank > rpm -qf /usr/lib/libusb-0.1.so.4 libusb-32bit-0.1.12-7 vuescan v 8.3.74 (not registered) vuescan v 8.0.1 (not registered) openSUSE 10.1 x86_64 Athlon 64 x2 4200+ -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, 14. August 2007, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
22:51 wahoo:~/blank > locate libusb-0.1.so.4 /usr/lib/libusb-0.1.so.4 /usr/lib/libusb-0.1.so.4.4.4 /usr/lib64/libusb-0.1.so.4 /usr/lib64/libusb-0.1.so.4.4.4 22:51 wahoo:~/blank > rpm -qf /usr/lib/libusb-0.1.so.4 libusb-32bit-0.1.12-7
vuescan v 8.3.74 (not registered) vuescan v 8.0.1 (not registered)
Thanks a lot. Seems you have more than I do, I'll take a look at that. Thierry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 08/13/2007 Philipp Thomas wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:03:12 -0700, joe wrote:
I did say that linux64 is great for generic server roles on largish hardware, where you can do everything using what ships from the linux vendor, and where the hardware is big enough to benefit from the 64-bit OS.
Sorry, it's not only great on servers but on desktops/workstations as well, *if* you choose the hardware wisely.
I've got an off the shelf intel dual core with ATI graphics and everything works just fine with OpenSuSE X86-64. -- Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Billie Walsh wrote:
I've got an off the shelf intel dual core with ATI graphics and everything works just fine with OpenSuSE X86-64.
That's great, go with what works for you! Far be it from me to discourage users from linux64, on the contrary, the more people who can use it, the more attention, bug fixes and app support it will get. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
kbboykin-Wuw85uim5zDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org escribió:
A long story to ask this simple question. I want to go back to 32 bit. How?
Why you think that doing the non-sense of switching back to 32 bit will fix your problem ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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