[opensuse] Yast's Zypper is Stuck Again
Listmates, Following along the string of broken mirror complaints, I have another to add and a Gripe at the cutsie KDE and/or Yast developers that think it is "smart" to code every dialog to destroy the ability to copy text from them. That is a throwback to the stone ages. Case and point: Trying to help with the continually broken mirror problem I was following Peter's advise to try and locate the broken mirror: ================================ --- Example Error Message: Downloading: OpenOffice_org-l10n-extras-3.1.0.6-1.1.noarch.rpm * Downloading [0%] Problem downloading the package file from the repository: File ./noarch/OpenOffice_org-l10n-extras-3.1.0.6-1.1.noarch.rpm not found on media: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/OpenOffice.org:/STABLE/openSUSE_10... Please, see the above error message to for a hint. --- Finding The Broken Mirror: Put together the two parts of the URL from the above log, append "?mirrorlist" to it and paste the whole thing into a web browser. The URL will look like this: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/OpenOffice.org:/STABLE/openSUSE_10... You'll see a list of links to the file on mirrors, and you could just click on any of them, working from the top, and see which mirror is the problem. ================================ So just now, the Yast Dialog pops up telling my that it can't find the first package in an update and it provides all the information I need to simply select the text from the dialog and paste it to the command line (I'd share the text with you, but I CAN'T SELECT IT, so the useless screenshot of pixel will have to do): http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/kde4/screenshots/YastsZypp... This problem with coding all the dialogs so you can't copy from them kills efficiency and probably prevents a whole lot of troubleshooting by users who finally say "Oh for Pete's Sake, I give up!" and quit. Now instead of a simple select and middle-mouse paste to build the command line, you have to open a text editor, konqueror, dolphin or a konsole, then use the file-dialog or otherwise navigate to the Yast or Zypper log file and open, grep, cat or less the log file and then search for the same text that is staring you right in the face on a dialog you can't copy from. Why can't I just select the text from the dialog to begin with?? Is this a KDE problem or is it a Yast problem? What will it take to fix it? Now in this case the problem is (after navigating to y2log with the above long process): http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss/suse/x86_64/soundtouch-1.4.0-1... Which shows up in every mirror I try so it looks like Yast is just on the fritz...... But Seriously, this no-no, you can't copy from this dialog crap needs to be fixed. It is annoying as hell to see the text you need to work with looking you right in the face, but being unable to make any meaningful use of it without going completely out of your way to find it somewhere else... Efficiency?? Ease of Use?? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
Listmates,
Following along the string of broken mirror complaints, I have another to add and a Gripe at the cutsie KDE and/or Yast developers that think it is "smart" to code every dialog to destroy the ability to copy text from them. That is a throwback to the stone ages.
Case and point: Trying to help with the continually broken mirror problem I was following Peter's advise to try and locate the broken mirror:
================================
--- Example Error Message:
Downloading: OpenOffice_org-l10n-extras-3.1.0.6-1.1.noarch.rpm * Downloading [0%] Problem downloading the package file from the repository: File ./noarch/OpenOffice_org-l10n-extras-3.1.0.6-1.1.noarch.rpm not found on media: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/OpenOffice.org:/STABLE/openSUSE_10... Please, see the above error message to for a hint.
--- Finding The Broken Mirror:
Put together the two parts of the URL from the above log, append "?mirrorlist" to it and paste the whole thing into a web browser. The URL will look like this:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/OpenOffice.org:/STABLE/openSUSE_10...
You'll see a list of links to the file on mirrors, and you could just click on any of them, working from the top, and see which mirror is the problem.
================================
So just now, the Yast Dialog pops up telling my that it can't find the first package in an update and it provides all the information I need to simply select the text from the dialog and paste it to the command line (I'd share the text with you, but I CAN'T SELECT IT, so the useless screenshot of pixel will have to do):
http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/kde4/screenshots/YastsZypp...
This problem with coding all the dialogs so you can't copy from them kills efficiency and probably prevents a whole lot of troubleshooting by users who finally say "Oh for Pete's Sake, I give up!" and quit.
Now instead of a simple select and middle-mouse paste to build the command line, you have to open a text editor, konqueror, dolphin or a konsole, then use the file-dialog or otherwise navigate to the Yast or Zypper log file and open, grep, cat or less the log file and then search for the same text that is staring you right in the face on a dialog you can't copy from.
Why can't I just select the text from the dialog to begin with?? Is this a KDE problem or is it a Yast problem? What will it take to fix it?
Now in this case the problem is (after navigating to y2log with the above long process):
http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss/suse/x86_64/soundtouch-1.4.0-1...
Which shows up in every mirror I try so it looks like Yast is just on the fritz......
But Seriously, this no-no, you can't copy from this dialog crap needs to be fixed. It is annoying as hell to see the text you need to work with looking you right in the face, but being unable to make any meaningful use of it without going completely out of your way to find it somewhere else... Efficiency?? Ease of Use??
Of course this should be fixed. Did you open a bug report for this yet? -- cheers, jano Ján Kupec YaST team ---------------------------------------------------------(PGP)--- Key ID: 637EE901 Fingerprint: 93B9 C79B 2D20 51C3 800B E09B 8048 46A6 637E E901 ---------------------------------------------------------(IRC)--- Server: irc.freenode.net Nick: jniq Channels: #zypp #yast #suse #susecz ---------------------------------------------------------(EOF)--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 04:02:12 +0200, Jano Kupec wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
Listmates,
Following along the string of broken mirror complaints, I have another to add and a Gripe at the cutsie KDE and/or Yast developers that think it is "smart" to code every dialog to destroy the ability to copy text from them. That is a throwback to the stone ages.
Case and point: Trying to help with the continually broken mirror problem I was following Peter's advise to try and locate the broken mirror:
================================
--- Example Error Message:
Downloading: OpenOffice_org-l10n-extras-3.1.0.6-1.1.noarch.rpm * Downloading [0%] Problem downloading the package file from the repository: File ./noarch/OpenOffice_org-l10n-extras-3.1.0.6-1.1.noarch.rpm not found on media: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/OpenOffice.org:/STABLE/openSUSE_10... Please, see the above error message to for a hint.
--- Finding The Broken Mirror:
Put together the two parts of the URL from the above log, append "?mirrorlist" to it and paste the whole thing into a web browser. The URL will look like this:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/OpenOffice.org:/STABLE/openSUSE_10...
You'll see a list of links to the file on mirrors, and you could just click on any of them, working from the top, and see which mirror is the problem.
================================
So just now, the Yast Dialog pops up telling my that it can't find the first package in an update and it provides all the information I need to simply select the text from the dialog and paste it to the command line (I'd share the text with you, but I CAN'T SELECT IT, so the useless screenshot of pixel will have to do):
http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_bugs/kde4/screenshots/YastsZypp...
This problem with coding all the dialogs so you can't copy from them kills efficiency and probably prevents a whole lot of troubleshooting by users who finally say "Oh for Pete's Sake, I give up!" and quit.
Now instead of a simple select and middle-mouse paste to build the command line, you have to open a text editor, konqueror, dolphin or a konsole, then use the file-dialog or otherwise navigate to the Yast or Zypper log file and open, grep, cat or less the log file and then search for the same text that is staring you right in the face on a dialog you can't copy from.
Why can't I just select the text from the dialog to begin with?? Is this a KDE problem or is it a Yast problem? What will it take to fix it?
Now in this case the problem is (after navigating to y2log with the above long process):
http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss/suse/x86_64/soundtouch-1.4.0-1...
Which shows up in every mirror I try so it looks like Yast is just on the fritz......
But Seriously, this no-no, you can't copy from this dialog crap needs to be fixed. It is annoying as hell to see the text you need to work with looking you right in the face, but being unable to make any meaningful use of it without going completely out of your way to find it somewhere else... Efficiency?? Ease of Use??
Of course this should be fixed. Did you open a bug report for this yet?
The copy & pastability is indeed a valid UI issue. The standard should be to allow copying the shown texts. About the mirror issue: this is in essence https://features.opensuse.org/305320 - Show accessed mirror(s) I sincerely hope it'll be fixed in 11.2 Peter -- "WARNING: This bug is visible to non-employees. Please be respectful!" SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 09:02:12 am Jano Kupec wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote: <snip> Of course this should be fixed. Did you open a bug report for this yet?
No, I was waiting to see if someone was "proud" of this feature and would be willing to come out on the list and publicly attack me for questioning their wisdom in protecting me from being able to make use of the information I need -- first.. Then if the consensus is that this isn't a "feature", I'll add it to the 26 and counting bugs I've opened with kde.org in the past 30 days or add it to my collection with novell. Problem is, since this is a Yast dialog, I don't know if this is suse or kde??? Yast isn't the only kde4 app that does this, but I didn't know whether the dialogs called by yast would be common kde stuff or yast specific. So, is it a bug or feature? && [[ Answer == "bug" ]] && kde|novell? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 09:02:12 am Jano Kupec wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote: <snip> Of course this should be fixed. Did you open a bug report for this yet?
No, I was waiting to see if someone was "proud" of this feature and would be willing to come out on the list and publicly attack me for questioning their wisdom in protecting me from being able to make use of the information I need -- first..
:O) i sincerely hope that does not happen too often. But yeah, sometimes it does, and sometimes it's just because of some misunderstanding.
Then if the consensus is that this isn't a "feature", I'll add it to the 26 and counting bugs I've opened with kde.org in the past 30 days or add it to my collection with novell.
Problem is, since this is a Yast dialog, I don't know if this is suse or kde??? Yast isn't the only kde4 app that does this, but I didn't know whether the dialogs called by yast would be common kde stuff or yast specific.
So, is it a bug or feature? && [[ Answer == "bug" ]] && kde|novell?
You don't need to worry about that, if you create a bug in novell's bugzilla, the assignee will forward it wherever needed (even upstream to KDE). In this case it might be a YaST bug as well as Qt bug, so just enter it in novell's bugzilla. Thanx! -- cheers, jano Ján Kupec YaST team ---------------------------------------------------------(PGP)--- Key ID: 637EE901 Fingerprint: 93B9 C79B 2D20 51C3 800B E09B 8048 46A6 637E E901 ---------------------------------------------------------(IRC)--- Server: irc.freenode.net Nick: jniq Channels: #zypp #yast #suse #susecz ---------------------------------------------------------(EOF)---
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