[opensuse] openSUSE Leap 42.1 vs. openSUSE 13.2
What is the difference between openSUSE Leap 42.1 and openSUSE 13.2. Which one is preferable? Thank you in advance. Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/11/2015 02:39 PM, Wolfgang Mueller wrote:
Which one is preferable?
To what end? Purpose? What do you plan running? As I keep saying, Context is Everything Without giving us context we can't answer that question other than in terms of our own contexts and 'prejudices'. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/11/2015 12:10 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 11/11/2015 02:39 PM, Wolfgang Mueller wrote:
Which one is preferable?
To what end? Purpose? What do you plan running?
As I keep saying, Context is Everything Without giving us context we can't answer that question other than in terms of our own contexts and 'prejudices'.
Or you could take a shot at being less pedantic and explain the basic differences and the rationale for Leap. In the end, knowing the intended usage does not make you more or less able to make a recommendation,because each will do the same job. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/11/2015 04:08 PM, John Andersen wrote:
On 11/11/2015 12:10 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 11/11/2015 02:39 PM, Wolfgang Mueller wrote:
Which one is preferable?
To what end? Purpose? What do you plan running?
As I keep saying, Context is Everything Without giving us context we can't answer that question other than in terms of our own contexts and 'prejudices'.
Or you could take a shot at being less pedantic and explain the basic differences and the rationale for Leap.
That's been done here already.
In the end, knowing the intended usage does not make you more or less able to make a recommendation,because each will do the same job.
Disagree. Using KDE rather than lxde or gnome, photographic tools or audio tools, gets into issues of have they been updated for Leap. I won't even get into suitability for industrial process management and real-time. We're seeing. for example, reports of PHP being downgraded. Its possible that the context is a web application that needs PHP functionality that is lost in that downgrade. Albert Oszkó is reporting that graphical functionality in LibreOffice isn't working, which is a killer for some business contexts. No, people are not all using Liux/openSuse=Leap the same way. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/11/2015 01:36 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 11/11/2015 04:08 PM, John Andersen wrote:
On 11/11/2015 12:10 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 11/11/2015 02:39 PM, Wolfgang Mueller wrote:
Which one is preferable?
To what end? Purpose? What do you plan running?
As I keep saying, Context is Everything Without giving us context we can't answer that question other than in terms of our own contexts and 'prejudices'.
Or you could take a shot at being less pedantic and explain the basic differences and the rationale for Leap.
That's been done here already.
In the end, knowing the intended usage does not make you more or less able to make a recommendation,because each will do the same job.
Disagree. Using KDE rather than lxde or gnome, photographic tools or audio tools, gets into issues of have they been updated for Leap. I won't even get into suitability for industrial process management and real-time.
We're seeing. for example, reports of PHP being downgraded. Its possible that the context is a web application that needs PHP functionality that is lost in that downgrade.
Albert Oszkó is reporting that graphical functionality in LibreOffice isn't working, which is a killer for some business contexts.
No, people are not all using Liux/openSuse=Leap the same way.
Albert is one person. Not everyone is having a problem with LibreOffice under Leap. It works for me in my test machine. PHP still works, but maybe not some corner case of PHP, which, had it been common would have been addressed in SLES which is in production in many paying companies. (And Leap is based on SLE. KDE and LXDE and GNOME are upstream packages and that question wasn't even asked, nor do you appear to have the answer, so why insist it is germane? How would you have answered had the question directly addressed KDE? Unless you are prepared to sit down with the Wolfgang, and evaluate each and every package at a specific point in time and pass judgment on the 13.2 version vs the Leap version, you aren't being helpful. I suspect you don't know, and wouldn't be prepared to spend that much time helping make this choice, so insisting on details of the workload is a pointless exercise. Its sufficient to point out that Leap is slightly back-level. Which is what I did, up-thread. That way Wolfgang can make his own decision. Neither you nor I are ever going to get much deeper into Wolfgang's workload than that. He's a big boy and can make that decision himself. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 11/11/2015 22:56, John Andersen a écrit :
PHP still works, but maybe not some corner case of PHP, which, had it been common
and some package don't work with newers php...
Its sufficient to point out that Leap is slightly back-level. Which is what
yes. Going from 13.2 to leap is probably not useful if you are glad with 13.2, but if you make a fresh install, using leap is probably the thing to do if you don't want to try tumbleweed jdd -- When will a Label sign her!!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=94&v=BeMk3WRh8QI -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
Le 11/11/2015 22:56, John Andersen a écrit :
PHP still works, but maybe not some corner case of PHP, which, had it been common
and some package don't work with newers php...
PHP works, but it is backlevel (5.5.14 vs 5.6.1). I doubt if that's likely to give anyone an issue, but if so, they should remain on 13.2.
yes. Going from 13.2 to leap is probably not useful if you are glad with 13.2, but if you make a fresh install, using leap is probably the thing to do if you don't want to try tumbleweed
+1. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.5°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/11/2015 11:39 AM, Wolfgang Mueller wrote:
What is the difference between openSUSE Leap 42.1 and openSUSE 13.2. Which one is preferable?
Thank you in advance.
Regards, Wolfgang
Leap is a cost cutting strategy for Microfocus. It use the same code base as Suse Linux Enterprise, which is historically back-level, by virtue of being a longer release cycle. Opensuse 13.2 is actually based on many newer packages, which makes Leap a regression by definition. But 13.2 is a dead end and won't be followed by 13.3 or anything else. If you have 13.2, Leap offers nothing you need. Stick with 13.2 till if falls off of maintenance. Then switch. If you are installing fresh, go with Leap, and in a year or so it will catch up to where 13.2 is today. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:05 PM, John Andersen
On 11/11/2015 11:39 AM, Wolfgang Mueller wrote:
What is the difference between openSUSE Leap 42.1 and openSUSE 13.2. Which one is preferable?
Thank you in advance.
Regards, Wolfgang
Leap is a cost cutting strategy for Microfocus. It use the same code base as Suse Linux Enterprise, which is historically back-level, by virtue of being a longer release cycle.
Opensuse 13.2 is actually based on many newer packages, which makes Leap a regression by definition. But 13.2 is a dead end and won't be followed by 13.3 or anything else.
If you have 13.2, Leap offers nothing you need. Stick with 13.2 till if falls off of maintenance. Then switch.
If you are installing fresh, go with Leap, and in a year or so it will catch up to where 13.2 is today.
John, Less than 25% of Leap is from SLES and thus potentially back-level. The other 75% plus is from factory and thus at a newer revision level. My statement would be: Leap is brand new (less than a week old) and likely has some kinks. Even more than normal it is likely to have significant kinks because a brand new process was followed to create it. In general it does have more packages than 13.2, but it also does not yet have any KDE3 support (and may never have it). If you care about the core infrastructure or the kernel itself, Leap should be the most stable option and it has a newer kernel than 13.2 If you care about DMs (KDE / Gnome / etc) then Leap is the more leading edge of the two, so 13.2 would be my choice if I wanted stability in my DM tools. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/11/2015 08:39 PM, Wolfgang Mueller wrote:
What is the difference between openSUSE Leap 42.1 and openSUSE 13.2. Which one is preferable?
Basically, Leap 42.1 is the successor of 13.2, but made differently. 13.2 is a known and proven system. Leap is not, being just released. As far as users are concerned, you could consider Leap as 13.3 - with caveats and things. -- Cheers/Saludos Carlos E. R. (openSUSE Leap 42.1, test at Minas-Anor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/11/2015 03:09 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
you could consider Leap as 13.3 - with caveats and things.
Or even 13.1, with patches since it has a lot of earlier packages than 13.2 and a real 13.3 release would never go back-level. In truth its neither fish nor fowl, but in a year (or maybe two) it will probably be the cat's meow. Even the introductory page: https://news.opensuse.org/2015/11/04/opensuse-leap-42-1-becomes-first-hybrid... Never made a convincing explanation of why Leap came into being, or exactly what it really is. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Mueller wrote:
What is the difference between openSUSE Leap 42.1 and openSUSE 13.2. Which one is preferable?
Right now, if you need something that works day in, day out, I would say 13.2. If you want a 32bit system, also 13.2. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.5°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-11-12 08:08, Per Jessen wrote:
Right now, if you need something that works day in, day out, I would say 13.2. If you want a 32bit system, also 13.2.
For 32 bit, I think better 13.1 - as it is evergreen, it has more chances of lasting longer. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
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