[opensuse] ADSL wanadoo France: speedtouch problem
Hi everybody, Somebody here with experiences with adsl-wanadoo-france-speedtouch? I wanted to help a friend to migrate from WinXP to Linux. Installation of openSUSE 10.2 on his Dell went without any difficulty, but I can't get this !*%# speedtouch "modem" to connect to wanadoo ADSL... The first problem is already that I don't understand, why a ADSL line needs a "modem" and not a router or at least a ADSL Network Terminator. Well, with XP it kind of works, so I guess wanadoo has a very special kind of ADSL? So I went to http://en.opensuse.org/Speedtouch_330 (and not to http://en.opensuse.org/Speedtouch_330_PPPoE because the above looked shorter and easier :-) ) and went thru the steps described there. Finally I clicked KInternet to connect. Here again I don't understand why I need KInternet, as I used this last time some years ago with my analog modem... However, KInternet recognized the "modem", tried to connect, and then the connection died with the message "a modem hung up the phone (exit code 16)". So this is all I achieved and after googling for hours now I am competely confused. I find different information and have no clue, which one I should follow, like, for example, the said Suse-page says VPI/VCI Numbers are 8.67 while http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/faq/index.html#q12 says it's 8.35. Can you help me help my friend? regards Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com erotic art photos: http://www.bauer-nudes.com/en/linux.html Madagascar special: http://www.sanic.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hi everybody,
Somebody here with experiences with adsl-wanadoo-france-speedtouch?
I wanted to help a friend to migrate from WinXP to Linux. Installation of openSUSE 10.2 on his Dell went without any difficulty, but I can't get this !*%# speedtouch "modem" to connect to wanadoo ADSL...
The first problem is already that I don't understand, why a ADSL line needs a "modem" and not a router or at least a ADSL Network Terminator. Well, with XP it kind of works, so I guess wanadoo has a very special kind of ADSL?
So I went to http://en.opensuse.org/Speedtouch_330
(and not to http://en.opensuse.org/Speedtouch_330_PPPoE because the above looked shorter and easier :-) )
and went thru the steps described there. Finally I clicked KInternet to connect. Here again I don't understand why I need KInternet, as I used this last time some years ago with my analog modem... However, KInternet recognized the "modem", tried to connect, and then the connection died with the message "a modem hung up the phone (exit code 16)".
So this is all I achieved and after googling for hours now I am competely confused.
I find different information and have no clue, which one I should follow, like, for example, the said Suse-page says VPI/VCI Numbers are 8.67 while http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/faq/index.html#q12 says it's 8.35.
AIUI, this information is specific to your ADSL supplier and their equipment. You'll need to find Wanadoo France's technical configuration page, either with google et al, or phone their tech support to find out where it is (or get the information from them). Also have a look at the bumph sent to you when you signed up for your ADSL connection. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Dienstag, 29. Mai 2007, Russell Jones wrote:
Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hi everybody,
Somebody here with experiences with adsl-wanadoo-france-speedtouch?
I wanted to help a friend to migrate from WinXP to Linux. Installation of openSUSE 10.2 on his Dell went without any difficulty, but I can't get this !*%# speedtouch "modem" to connect to wanadoo ADSL...
The first problem is already that I don't understand, why a ADSL line needs a "modem" and not a router or at least a ADSL Network Terminator. Well, with XP it kind of works, so I guess wanadoo has a very special kind of ADSL?
So I went to http://en.opensuse.org/Speedtouch_330
(and not to http://en.opensuse.org/Speedtouch_330_PPPoE because the above looked shorter and easier :-) )
and went thru the steps described there. Finally I clicked KInternet to connect. Here again I don't understand why I need KInternet, as I used this last time some years ago with my analog modem... However, KInternet recognized the "modem", tried to connect, and then the connection died with the message "a modem hung up the phone (exit code 16)".
So this is all I achieved and after googling for hours now I am competely confused.
I find different information and have no clue, which one I should follow, like, for example, the said Suse-page says VPI/VCI Numbers are 8.67 while http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/faq/index.html#q12 says it's 8.35.
AIUI, this information is specific to your ADSL supplier and their equipment. You'll need to find Wanadoo France's technical configuration page, either with google et al, or phone their tech support to find out where it is (or get the information from them). Also have a look at the bumph sent to you when you signed up for your ADSL connection.
Hi Russel, yes, this is what I thought, too. But the "technical service"-line-"helper" said, he is "not educated for Linux", only knows where to click in Windows (I guess, with "where to click" he ment the mouse button). What ever I asked him: "I don't know", he doesn't know what VPI/VCI is, he couldn't even tell me the IPs of their name servers ("in Windows everything is automatic, you don't have to know anything"). Haha, I agree: this *is* indeed one of the most important requirement to use Windows. The "documentation" received with the "modem" also just includes a booklet with all the nice little but useless images from windows and some from Mac. But no data... And the website... have you ever looked at it? Don't do :-) So, if anybody has an idea how I can go on, how to find out what is necessary to find out... I am greatful for any hints. regards Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com erotic art photos: http://www.bauer-nudes.com/en/linux.html Madagascar special: http://www.sanic.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
yes, this is what I thought, too. But the "technical service"-line-"helper" said, he is "not educated for Linux", only knows where to click in Windows (I guess, with "where to click" he ment the mouse button). What ever I asked him: "I don't know", he doesn't know what VPI/VCI is, he couldn't even tell me the IPs of their name servers ("in Windows everything is automatic, you don't have to know anything"). Haha, I agree: this *is* indeed one of the most important requirement to use Windows.
The "documentation" received with the "modem" also just includes a booklet with all the nice little but useless images from windows and some from Mac. But no data... And the website... have you ever looked at it? Don't do :-)
So, if anybody has an idea how I can go on, how to find out what is necessary to find out... I am greatful for any hints.
I had similar issues with getting KInternet to talk to my ADSL modem as well. My ISP requires that I log into their system with a user name and password. It is apparently possible with Linux.. but with very limited information. # I discovered a workaround of sorts. I have a router between the modem and the computer... and when i poked around in the router setup I discovered that it has the capability to connect to an ADSL modem and do the uname pwd negotiation. Added the require info, rebooted the router, and I was connected. that easy. So... my connection is ADSL line in to ADSL modem. ADSL modem to router (router does the connection stuff). Router to PC... and OS on the PC is irrelevant. Can you set up something similar maybe? C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 29 May 2007 07:44, Daniel Bauer wrote:
So, if anybody has an idea how I can go on, how to find out what is necessary to find out... I am greatful for any hints.
Do you have a connected windows system? If you do look around the system. I think all the info is in human readable form some place. OTOH what I remember about windows is so little-) Nick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Daniel Bauer a écrit :
On Dienstag, 29. Mai 2007, Russell Jones wrote:
Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hi everybody,
Somebody here with experiences with adsl-wanadoo-france-speedtouch?
I wanted to help a friend to migrate from WinXP to Linux. Installation of openSUSE 10.2 on his Dell went without any difficulty, but I can't get this !*%# speedtouch "modem" to connect to wanadoo ADSL...
The first problem is already that I don't understand, why a ADSL line needs a "modem" and not a router or at least a ADSL Network Terminator. Well, with XP it kind of works, so I guess wanadoo has a very special kind of ADSL?
So I went to http://en.opensuse.org/Speedtouch_330
(and not to http://en.opensuse.org/Speedtouch_330_PPPoE because the above looked shorter and easier :-) )
and went thru the steps described there. Finally I clicked KInternet to connect. Here again I don't understand why I need KInternet, as I used this last time some years ago with my analog modem... However, KInternet recognized the "modem", tried to connect, and then the connection died with the message "a modem hung up the phone (exit code 16)".
So this is all I achieved and after googling for hours now I am competely confused.
I find different information and have no clue, which one I should follow, like, for example, the said Suse-page says VPI/VCI Numbers are 8.67 while http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/faq/index.html#q12 says it's 8.35.
AIUI, this information is specific to your ADSL supplier and their equipment. You'll need to find Wanadoo France's technical configuration page, either with google et al, or phone their tech support to find out where it is (or get the information from them). Also have a look at the bumph sent to you when you signed up for your ADSL connection.
Hi Russel,
yes, this is what I thought, too. But the "technical service"-line-"helper" said, he is "not educated for Linux", only knows where to click in Windows (I guess, with "where to click" he ment the mouse button). What ever I asked him: "I don't know", he doesn't know what VPI/VCI is, he couldn't even tell me the IPs of their name servers ("in Windows everything is automatic, you don't have to know anything"). Haha, I agree: this *is* indeed one of the most important requirement to use Windows.
The "documentation" received with the "modem" also just includes a booklet with all the nice little but useless images from windows and some from Mac. But no data... And the website... have you ever looked at it? Don't do :-)
So, if anybody has an idea how I can go on, how to find out what is necessary to find out... I am greatful for any hints.
regards
Daniel
Hello, I'm french and my provider is Wanadoo (now Orange). I was able to use a speedtouch USB modem with SuSE 9.X, but never with 10.x so I had to buy an adsl modem router. You need a modem because French ADSL uses ppp over atm and not ppp over ethernet. If you want to try to install a speedtouch anyway, there are two methods and documentations. The first one is in the SuSE archives, it needs to download a driver from Thomsom, you can find the second one while searching "Benoit Papillault" + "speedtouch" with google. I am out of home up to next sunday, if you don't find, tell me I've the docs and links at home. Regards. Michel. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Dienstag, 29. Mai 2007, Catimimi wrote:
Hello, I'm french and my provider is Wanadoo (now Orange). I was able to use a speedtouch USB modem with SuSE 9.X, but never with 10.x so I had to buy an adsl modem router.
You need a modem because French ADSL uses ppp over atm and not ppp over ethernet.
If you want to try to install a speedtouch anyway, there are two methods and documentations.
The first one is in the SuSE archives, it needs to download a driver from Thomsom, you can find the second one while searching "Benoit Papillault" + "speedtouch" with google. I am out of home up to next sunday, if you don't find, tell me I've the docs and links at home.
Regards.
Michel.
Hi Michel, thanks for your answer! I have been on the site of Benoit Papillault (that now leads to http://speedtouch.sourceforge.net/ ) but the information there says: "Si vous utilisez un noyau linux >= 2.6.10, vous devez utiliser le module noyau à la place. Allez voir à http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch\ /. Dans ce cas, vous n'avez absolument pas besoin de ce logiciel." My french is very very poor, but as much as I understand this software is not necessary with 10.2 anymore. However I installed the "firmware" as told on the SUSE Howto page, just with no success so far... I too think it would be better to have a router attached to the ethernet. Can you tell me which router you use? On the orange.fr site I only found the "Web Modem Routeur eXtense Pro" - do you know this one? Must the router be kind of special for wanadoo or could I also use a common "cheap" one I buy here in Switzerland (like a Zyxel 650 or the like)? Can this router then be used "normally"? (i.e. all "connection stuff" to the internet is done by the router itself, configured by its own [browser-] interface, and the connection to the Computer is just a common ethernet connection)? Or ist there also need for special software/drivers/firmware/...? Do you now use PPPoE with the router? Sorry for many questions... thanks for your help! Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com erotic art photos: http://www.bauer-nudes.com/en/linux.html Madagascar special: http://www.sanic.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 19:47 +0200, Daniel Bauer wrote:
thanks for your answer! I have been on the site of Benoit Papillault (that now leads to http://speedtouch.sourceforge.net/ ) but the information there says:
"Si vous utilisez un noyau linux >= 2.6.10, vous devez utiliser le module noyau à la place. Allez voir à http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch\ /. Dans ce cas, vous n'avez absolument pas besoin de ce logiciel."
My french is very very poor, but as much as I understand this software is not necessary with 10.2 anymore. However I installed the "firmware" as told on the SUSE Howto page, just with no success so far...
I too think it would be better to have a router attached to the ethernet.
Can you tell me which router you use? On the orange.fr site I only found the "Web Modem Routeur eXtense Pro" - do you know this one?
I have set up many Wanadoo/Orange customers using Dlink DSL320T modems
without any problems I also use Linksys AM200 modems both retail around
65/70€.
--
Dave Cotton
Hello, Daniel Bauer a écrit :
Hi Michel,
thanks for your answer! I have been on the site of Benoit Papillault (that now leads to http://speedtouch.sourceforge.net/ ) but the information there says:
"Si vous utilisez un noyau linux >= 2.6.10, vous devez utiliser le module noyau à la place. Allez voir à http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch\ /. Dans ce cas, vous n'avez absolument pas besoin de ce logiciel."
My french is very very poor, but as much as I understand this software is not necessary with 10.2 anymore. However I installed the "firmware" as told on the SUSE Howto page, just with no success so far...
I never succeed with SuSE and speedtouch, I think that it is better to forget this modem with Linux.
I too think it would be better to have a router attached to the ethernet.
Can you tell me which router you use? On the orange.fr site I only found the "Web Modem Routeur eXtense Pro" - do you know this one?
If your friend wants to have TV and Telephone over IP from this provider, it is necessary to use their modem called "Livebox"
Must the router be kind of special for wanadoo or could I also use a common "cheap" one I buy here in Switzerland (like a Zyxel 650 or the like)?
I don't know about this router, I use the Netgear DG834 - the DG834G is wireless -, all the connection stuff is made by the router, in France you can find it for about 57€, http://www.lcdi.fr/index.php?activate=affichage_produit&id_produit=1080 and as you say, no need for software, drivers ... It supports Dyndns update for dynamic IP so that you are able to have a FTP or WEB server on your computer.
Can this router then be used "normally"? (i.e. all "connection stuff" to the internet is done by the router itself, configured by its own [browser-] interface, and the connection to the Computer is just a common ethernet connection)? Or ist there also need for special software/drivers/firmware/...?
Do you now use PPPoE with the router?
No, anyway you have to use PPPoA
Sorry for many questions... thanks for your help!
No problem, don't hesitate to ask more questions. Regards. Michel
Daniel
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Bonjour Michel, Thanks you for your detailled answer. On Dienstag, 29. Mai 2007, Catimimi wrote:
If your friend wants to have TV and Telephone over IP from this provider, it is necessary to use their modem called "Livebox"
He just wants to go to the internet, have his e-mail, no wireless etc.... So, I think I'm going to ask him to buy just a common dsl router-modem (I still don't like the word "modem" for ANTs :-) ) and hope it works. If there is something special I have to concider when buying it, please let me know. Thanks again, regards Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com erotic art photos: http://www.bauer-nudes.com/en/linux.html Madagascar special: http://www.sanic.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Dienstag, 29. Mai 2007, Dave Cotton wrote:
Can you tell me which router you use? On the orange.fr site I only found the "Web Modem Routeur eXtense Pro" - do you know this one?
I have set up many Wanadoo/Orange customers using Dlink DSL320T modems without any problems I also use Linksys AM200 modems both retail around 65/70€.
Hi Dave, thanks for the two names. Both modems are available in Switzerland, too, so I guess, when using such a thing in France there's nothing special to consider for the wanadoo adsl account and I can tell my friend to buy just any ethernet adsl model router. Is this correct, or are there any France/wanadoo-particular traps I must be aware of? regards Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com erotic art photos: http://www.bauer-nudes.com/en/linux.html Madagascar special: http://www.sanic.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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