steve pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

Stevens wrote:

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I don't use message threading, so top posting, bottom posting, comments in the center, none matter to me whatsoever.

same here. its only email, and a list for christ sake, if you dont like where a thread is going, then DONT READ IT!!! HELLO? is this thing on??

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No one's posting style has raised my blood pressure, but there are a few anal retentives here who need to take a deep breath, get away from the puter and go get laid.

well said!!...... I now see this thread continuing for days lol, of course I will ignore it from now on, ive said my piece now everyone else can.

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Just my 2 cents worth.

Fred

http://en.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette#Don.27t_post_Off_Top... Enough said? -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 09:52 +0100, jdd wrote:

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Besides, the subject says OT, so a reasonably decent filter should flush any OT message for those who detest OT posts.

After they get dl'ed from the host, and some people getting the list are on dial up where time is money, so it's also being considerate to keep the OT chatter to a minimum.

couldn't [OT] subject be filtered out to OT list??

jdd

They should actually get put there as the intent of the OT list was a place to put OT things. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Neil schreef:

Why then can't I find the OT mailing list with http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=012850459432662882474%3Avwmwkphffy4&hl=en ? I subscribed to the OT mailing list a minute ago (found it in the mail) but I didn't know of it's existence and it can't be found easily.

On Jan 7, 2008 11:56 AM, Mike McMullin wrote:

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On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 09:52 +0100, jdd wrote:

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Besides, the subject says OT, so a reasonably decent filter should flush any OT message for those who detest OT posts. After they get dl'ed from the host, and some people getting the list are on dial up where time is money, so it's also being considerate to keep the OT chatter to a minimum.

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couldn't [OT] subject be filtered out to OT list??

jdd They should actually get put there as the intent of the OT list was a place to put OT things.

Exactly, noone knows, (knew) about that list existing, before Patrick mentioned the location. I subscribed, but nothing has posted there i guess, cause no mail came in since yesterday. In this list, there should be about hundred minimum in a day... - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.24-rc6-git7-2-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@tribal-sfn2 Systeem: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha0 KDE: 3.5.8 "release 30" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHghlPX5/X5X6LpDgRAocTAJwIacDkR8rQ0RXe18lyKPCtxHzLqQCgizuN xbpUx9jgKChUTAK9AzeMUmE= =Rbrq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 07 January 2008 05:56, Mike McMullin wrote:

On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 09:52 +0100, jdd wrote:

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Besides, the subject says OT, so a reasonably decent filter should flush any OT message for those who detest OT posts.

After they get dl'ed from the host, and some people getting the list are on dial up where time is money, so it's also being considerate to keep the OT chatter to a minimum.

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couldn't [OT] subject be filtered out to OT list??

jdd

They should actually get put there as the intent of the OT list was a place to put OT things.

I would love to see a show of hands (here) as to how many read the OT list. I certainly don't, and I would bet that 95% of the rest of you don't either. --doug Blessed are the peacemakers ... for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Robert Smits wrote:

On January 7, 2008 05:43:19 pm Doug McGarrett wrote:

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I would love to see a show of hands (here) as to how many read the OT list. I certainly don't, and I would bet that 95% of the rest of you don't either.

I certainly don't . I come here to read On Topic posts. But those who intentionally (it's certainly possible to do so by mistake) inflict Off Topic posts on the rest of us want either to get an answer to an off Topic subject and they're too lazy to use Google, or have such contempt for the use of everyone else's time they don't care if they waste it.

It would help if the Off Topic list were put on the same page at opensuse.org where the subscription info for this list is found. The primary reason that nobody subscribes to the OT list is because IT'S NOT DOCUMENTED. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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It would help if the Off Topic list were put on the same page at opensuse.org where the subscription info for this list is found.

The primary reason that nobody subscribes to the OT list is because IT'S NOT DOCUMENTED.

NOW it is: Mailing-List: contact opensuse-offtopic+help@opensuse.org; run by mlmmj X-Mailinglist: opensuse-offtopic List-Post: mailto:opensuse-offtopic@opensuse.org List-Help: mailto:opensuse-offtopic+help@opensuse.org List-Subscribe: mailto:opensuse-offtopic+subscribe@opensuse.org List-Unsubscribe: mailto:opensuse-offtopic+unsubscribe@opensuse.org List-Owner: mailto:opensuse-offtopic+owner@opensuse.org - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHg5hFClSjbQz1U5oRAhgYAKCLQhpaHQ2SnQS27KkVuVr4TMG5YQCgokhA urV2+k5soGLfncP4hSOmezc= =PRgd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2008-01-08 16:52, Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Tuesday 2008-01-08 at 10:35 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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<snip> Forgive me, but that is not sufficient. It should be listed here: http://lists.opensuse.org, even without an archive.

With the headline of "Mailinglist Archives", I think people kinda expect the lists presented on that page include archived messages (although opensuse-offtopic is archived elsewhere). But a reference on http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate/Mailinglists wouldn't hurt.

- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

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On Monday 07 January 2008 05:56, Mike McMullin wrote:

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On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 09:52 +0100, jdd wrote:

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Besides, keep the OT chatter to a minimum.

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couldn't [OT] subject be filtered out to OT list??

jdd They should actually get put there as the intent of the OT list was a place to put OT things.

I would love to see a show of hands (here) as to how many read the OT list. I certainly don't, and I would bet that 95% of the rest of you don't either.

(I mostly do not belong to the 99%, i am used to that for a long time...) Well, for me, i was not aware of the existense of such a list, but if i read the statements made here [OT], i would most certainly do read them, because some of us realy have a way with words, and do even know what they are talking about! Most interesting, and sometimes realy funny stories and answers are given which make me roflmao... and if i like something [OT] beside sex, [/OT]its laughing.... :)))

--doug

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On Monday 07 January 2008 02:52:10 am jdd wrote:

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Besides, the subject says OT, so a reasonably decent filter should flush any OT message for those who detest OT posts.

couldn't [OT] subject be filtered out to OT list??

I care about OT mails, but not because of me. I can do that locally. I can send them in oblivion, ignore them, read them, but how that will help the one that is not used to zillion mails in his inbox. The other way to make list server sort the properly is a bit too much to ask, because it has to be intelligent enough to understand mail to sort them properly. We are not there, yet. Imagine guy just started to use Linux and still using web mail, or have no idea about threading (it is not obvious, you have to know that is exists, first). He made trough subscription process (which is not common, BTW), posted his problem and now is looking trough not threaded 100 emails + his regular mail, to find one message that is answer to his. It is frustrating. This list is created as help to new users, very unskilled, very frustrated with some other problem that they can't solve, and we as helpfull people don't want to add to their problems. That is the reason to have offtopic list. The subscription to offtopic list, and any other, should not be a problem for regular visitors here. Anybody that can't see a problem with OT is the one has only himself in mind (do we call that egoism), and can't even come on idea that there others not so skilled that deserve help. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Aaron Kulkis a écrit :

I find that rediculously difficult to believe, as most of the converts are "advanced" windows users.

certainly not. (that don't mean the rest of your mail is bad) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Monday 2008-01-07 at 14:41 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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So your saying that before using SuSe, the typical new Linux user has never had to deal with lots of email????

I find that rediculously difficult to believe, as most of the converts are "advanced" windows users.

Not so... I was an advanced dos/windows user, and my first mail list ever was this one (rather, its antecesor at SuSE). Only then had I to deal with lots of email, and somewhat later, lots of spam.

In this day and age, any new user to Suse is already used to dealing with spam... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 08 January 2008 09:58:38 am Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Monday 2008-01-07 at 14:41 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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So your saying that before using SuSe, the typical new Linux user has never had to deal with lots of email????

I find that rediculously difficult to believe, as most of the converts are "advanced" windows users.

Not so... I was an advanced dos/windows user, and my first mail list ever was this one (rather, its antecesor at SuSE). Only then had I to deal with lots of email, and somewhat later, lots of spam.

-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

That is exactly the same here. As much as I was able to deal with computer without problems, and almost install Yggdrasil as first attempt to run Linux, I was new to world of Internet communications, and didn't know so much. I used email before, but experience with few private emails can't help you once you subscribe to real mail list. BTW, here is right place for this. To subscribe: mailto:opensuse-offtopic+subscribe@opensuse.org To cancel subscription: mailto:opensuse-offtopic+unsubscribe@opensuse.org In both cases wait for list server email that will provide link for subscription or cancellation confirmation and use it to confirm action. Due to small number of subscribed, for the beginning you may start reading Fred Miller's selection of Internet articles. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

jdd wrote:

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Besides, the subject says OT, so a reasonably decent filter should flush any OT message for those who detest OT posts.

couldn't [OT] subject be filtered out to OT list??

jdd

There wouldn't be anything left on this list. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org