[opensuse] lack of paper orientation in opensuse openoffice
Hi, I use suse since the 8-series. Everyime I install a new version i go to look if there is the possibility to choice paper-orientation in the printer-properties-menu, but it still lacks. In the past I installed the openoffice.org version which has the choice. I need it for brochure-printing. Now I installed opensuse 11.1 on my brandnew 64-bit computer. I saw the lack and now the problem is that the Ooo3 64-bit packages are only in a few languages, but not in my language. My question is, is there a workaround to put in paper-orientation in printer-properties or is there a way to propose novell to put it in? Thanks a lot Jens Hansen, Italy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jens Hansen wrote:
Hi, I use suse since the 8-series. Everyime I install a new version i go to look if there is the possibility to choice paper-orientation in the printer-properties-menu, but it still lacks. In the past I installed the openoffice.org version which has the choice. I need it for brochure-printing. Now I installed opensuse 11.1 on my brandnew 64-bit computer. I saw the lack and now the problem is that the Ooo3 64-bit packages are only in a few languages, but not in my language. My question is, is there a workaround to put in paper-orientation in printer-properties or is there a way to propose novell to put it in? Thanks a lot Jens Hansen, Italy
Hello-- As a work around, use the cups lpoptions command found here: http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/options.html HTH Tom Wekell -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On May 1 17:57 Jens Hansen wrote (shortened):
... look if there is the possibility to choice paper-orientation in the printer-properties-menu, but it still lacks. In the past I installed the openoffice.org version which has the choice. I need it for brochure-printing.
Brochure-printing is not supported directly by the CUPS printing system. Therefore there is no such option in generic printing dialogs. The CUPS printing system supports only "N-Up Printing", see http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/doc-1.3/options.html But application programs can support brochure-printing. Therefore a brochure-printing option could be in the printing dialog of a particular application or elsewhere in the menue of a particular application which supports brochure-printing. "Brochure-printing" means reordering of the pages plus "N-Up Printing" plus duplex printing. For example to print the document pages 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 as a brochure, print document pages 8 and 1 on the front side of the first sheet, print document pages 2 and 7 on the back side of the first sheet, print document pages 6 and 3 on the front side of the second sheet, print document pages 4 and 5 on the back side of the second sheet. The CUPS printing system does not support page reordering in one print job and therefore it cannot support brochure-printing. Unfortunately it is not possible to use CUPS options like -o page-ranges=1,8 -o outputorder=reverse -o number-up=2 to print e.g. only the front side of the first sheet because http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/doc-1.3/options.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- The page numbers used by page-ranges refer to the output pages and not the document's page numbers. Options like number-up can make the output page numbering not match the document page numbers. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I.e. "number-up=2" happens first which gets document page 1 and 2 on the first printed page which is then selected by "page-ranges=1" to be actually printed. I used the following command to test it (on one single line): -------------------------------------------------------------------- echo -e "1\f2\f3\f4\f5\f6\f7\f8\f" | a2ps -1 -o - | lp -d queue_name -o page-ranges=1,8 -o outputorder=reverse -o number-up=2 -------------------------------------------------------------------- There are big PostScript printers whith additional units for duplex printing and a stapler plus folder so that the printer can do brochure-printing on its own. In the end for brochure-printing either use an appropriate application program (plus duplex printing of the printer) or an appropriate big PostScript printer. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 09:30:37 Johannes Meixner wrote:
Hello,
On May 1 17:57 Jens Hansen wrote (shortened):
... look if there is the possibility to choice paper-orientation in the printer-properties-menu, but it still lacks. In the past I installed the openoffice.org version which has the choice. I need it for brochure-printing.
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Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex
And then Johannes COMPLETELY misses the point. The point is that OpenOffice supports brochure printing and it works perfectly - I use it a lot. The problem is that you have to specify, for example, that you are printing an A5 portrait page in the page format, but are printing on A4 landscape in the printer settings - and the OpenSuSE tailored versions of OpenOffice have removed the option to specify paper orientation in the Printer Settings. Why? Brochure printing works perfectly with "vanilla" OpenOffice. Brochure printing does not work at all with OpenSUSE OpenOffice. Why do SUSE/Novell remove Paper Orientation from Printer Settings when tailoring? Like Jens, I always have to use the openoffice.org version, unlike Jens, English is my language. -- Chris Janman at work chris.janman@devon.gov.uk +44 (0)1392 382459 at home cjanman@attglobal.net +44 (0)1803 712362 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello On May 6 08:43 Chris Janman wrote (shortened):
And then Johannes COMPLETELY misses the point.
I answered the question regarding the printing system in general in particular because there was already a misleading reply to use CUPS options which cannot work for brochure-printing. And there is never ever any reason for you to shout at me.
The point is that OpenOffice supports brochure printing and it works perfectly - I use it a lot. The problem is that you have to specify, for example, that you are printing an A5 portrait page in the page format, but are printing on A4 landscape in the printer settings - and the OpenSuSE tailored versions of OpenOffice have removed the option to specify paper orientation in the Printer Settings. Why?
Brochure printing works perfectly with "vanilla" OpenOffice. Brochure printing does not work at all with OpenSUSE OpenOffice. Why do SUSE/Novell remove Paper Orientation from Printer Settings when tailoring?
I can answer and do answer questions regarding the printing system (mainly CUPS and printer drivers) but I cannot answer questions regarding OpenOffice because I have nothing to do with OpenOffice. Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jens Hansen wrote:
My question is, is there a workaround to put in paper-orientation in printer-properties or is there a way to propose novell to put it in?
Hi Jens, thanks for bringing this up; this is really kind of a controversial topic - here's a selection of bug reports dealing with it (which is also the recommended way to propose something to us): https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=83925 http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=14036 As it stands, you can argue both ways, and there is a work-around - but ultimately we do what our users want, so I just pushed a change to make OOo 3.1 show the paper orientation checkbox again. ;) Cheers, -- Thorsten
On Thursday 07 May 2009, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=83925 http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=14036
As it stands, you can argue both ways, and there is a work-around - but ultimately we do what our users want, so I just pushed a change to make OOo 3.1 show the paper orientation checkbox again. ;)
Thorsten's change is available in the OOo-3.1-rc1 packages. You could find them at the following installation source: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/OpenOffice.org:/UNSTABLE/openSUSE_... Jens, by the way, what localization are you missing? There are many more localizations on the network installation source, see http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/repo/oss/ -- Best Regards, Petr Mladek software developer --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s. r. o. e-mail: pmladek@suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 952 190 00 Prague 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 07 May 2009 13:08:57 Thorsten Behrens wrote:
Jens Hansen wrote:
My question is, is there a workaround to put in paper-orientation in printer-properties or is there a way to propose novell to put it in?
Hi Jens,
thanks for bringing this up; this is really kind of a controversial topic - here's a selection of bug reports dealing with it (which is also the recommended way to propose something to us):
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=83925 http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=14036
As it stands, you can argue both ways, and there is a work-around - but ultimately we do what our users want, so I just pushed a change to make OOo 3.1 show the paper orientation checkbox again. ;)
Thorsten you are a star :) No more printing to PDF as a brochure and then printing the PDF file yipppeeeeeeee I think that says it all Andrew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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