Re: Re: [SLE] installing suse 7.3 - again ;))
Quote: and what exactly are those that want to try suse out but dont want to invest in because they dont know if they are going to like it or not suppost to do? And what about those that are shit ass broke suppost to do? Quote: For about 3.95 at cheapbytes they can get SuSE Linux FTP Install CD's created so they try it for low-cost. This should be affordable even for shit ass broke people or least i hope. No ISO issue complaint that pop-us every couple of month's. It's not that i do not understand some can not afford to spend 70$ on distro is just they have never made isos's for last couple version so all this hoop-la about it not going make big difference do them. Bandwith cost money and iso for download would probably triple their bandiwth usage. Consider how many gigs of bandiwth they use a day then consider the iso issue you may have the reason why they do not offer them. Bandwith cost money,development cost money etc... Bill's add up so they may want to but can not just give it all away. Consider how much money MandrakeSoft,Red Hat and others loose by make iso availble. Regards, Alex :)
On Sat, 16 Feb 2002 23:13:38 -0500, lm72
Quote: and what exactly are those that want to try suse out but dont want to invest in because they dont know if they are going to like it or not suppost to do? And what about those that are shit ass broke suppost to do? Quote:
For about 3.95 at cheapbytes they can get SuSE Linux FTP Install CD's created so they try it for low-cost. This should be affordable even for shit ass broke people or least i hope. No ISO issue complaint that pop-us every couple of month's. It's not that i do not understand some can not afford to spend 70$ on distro is just they have never made isos's for last couple version so all this hoop-la about it not going make big difference do them. Bandwith cost money and iso for download would probably triple their bandiwth usage. Consider how many gigs of bandiwth they use a day then consider the iso issue you may have the reason why they do not offer them. Bandwith cost money,development cost money etc... Bill's add up so they may want to but can not just give it all away. Consider how much money MandrakeSoft,Red Hat and others loose by make iso availble.
Regards,
Alex :)
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point very well made. and it does bring up another point. back in the day when all linux distros were made up emtirly of volentiers and relied solely off of contributions from its end users. You could get cds from places like like walnut creek (i belive that what their name was) and Linux Systems Labs for the price of the cd + shipping and handling. It came out to be about $10 - $12 (little to no profit involved). And in the readme's and documents of each and every distro it told us to make copy after copy and give them away and not to sell them. The linux community has changed a lot seice then, and i feel is has been for worse then better. But it is aparent that the old support of the end users to their favoirt distro no longer exists. And this vital life line of support needs to be reestablished. I remember I bought my versy first distro for about $5 and didnt have a clue about how to install it, and some guy was kind enough to come over to my house, sit in my computer chair and install SuSE linux on my computer while explaining everything to me in detail, what to do's and what not to do's. Damn where have those days gone? I dont know, but maby i'm just stuck in the old linux way of doing things.
and it does bring up another point.
back in the day when all linux distros were made up emtirly of volentiers and relied solely off of contributions from its end users. You could get cds from places like like walnut creek (i belive that what their name was) and Linux Systems Labs for the price of the cd + shipping and handling. It came out to be about $10 - $12 (little to no profit involved). And in the readme's and documents of each and every distro it told us to make copy after copy and give them away and not to sell them. The linux community has changed a lot seice then, and i feel is has been for worse then better. But it is aparent that the old support of the end users to their favoirt distro no longer exists. And this vital life line of support needs to be reestablished.
One thing you fail to mention about Walnut Creek is that you could buy more than just distributions like Slackware, you could buy all sorts of freeware CD's for relatively low cost. Still remember that a lot of that was not downloadable, you had to buy the CD (and how infuriating when you're just after that one app). Still remember putting into Altavista the words "free+software". As for the support, more now than ever before. Being a member of a Linux group, who have there own cheap Linux emergency team that only costs $15 tells me a lot that the support is there, just look for it. Indeed with the professional version you get 90 days installation support and of thats not enough then this might help: http://www.suse.com/en/services/support/private/advanced.html Apple provides 90 days support when you buy a computer for over $1000 and 1 year hardware support in case of fault (non-abusive). If you want your favourite distributions to survive then you will have to put your money down once in awhile. Not to mention you're actually on one of the mailing lists, which I might add tends to help people as best they can. Buying the box for $70 is so cheap its ludicrous, manuals, CD's and a DVD full of software. Plus Really though, if you get an ISO what makes you think you're entitled to any more? Right now to stay alive in a capitalist society one has to actually make money.
I remember I bought my versy first distro for about $5 and didnt have a clue about how to install it, and some guy was kind enough to come over to my house, sit in my computer chair and install SuSE linux on my computer while explaining everything to me in detail, what to do's and what not to do's. Damn where have those days gone?
Have you been around someones house with a burned copy? Have you given your manuals that you didn't need away with that burned copy?
I dont know, but maby i'm just stuck in the old linux way of doing things.
Its more mature for sure, but the fun is still among the commercial aspect. From what I remember about the old Linux days is trying to figure out how to install it without these new fangled installations that are really professional. Matt
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It's all about money these days no profit companies go under. If Linux had remained it's this way Linux would probably not be where it's is today. Where Linux is today is greatly due companies like SuSE for X-Server work that have helped along XFree86 Group. Red Hat as made is own contribution along the years as have so many others. You have pay price of these contribution's. It's small price to pay considering what we are getting thanks to these companies. Red Hat as being to micrsofty for my liking but that's an other story. People behind these great distro have families to feed and doing something for almost nothing for while may work but at some point we all have eat. I know all to all i helped out computer business for about 2 years making close to nothing and will tell you are gald to help and made a difference but when the bill's come no one is going cut you some slack even if you doing someting to benefit masses. Alex :) one_inch wrote:
On Sat, 16 Feb 2002 23:13:38 -0500, lm72
wrote: Quote: and what exactly are those that want to try suse out but dont want to invest in because they dont know if they are going to like it or not suppost to do? And what about those that are shit ass broke suppost to do? Quote:
For about 3.95 at cheapbytes they can get SuSE Linux FTP Install CD's created so they try it for low-cost. This should be affordable even for shit ass broke people or least i hope. No ISO issue complaint that pop-us every couple of month's. It's not that i do not understand some can not afford to spend 70$ on distro is just they have never made isos's for last couple version so all this hoop-la about it not going make big difference do them. Bandwith cost money and iso for download would probably triple their bandiwth usage. Consider how many gigs of bandiwth they use a day then consider the iso issue you may have the reason why they do not offer them. Bandwith cost money,development cost money etc... Bill's add up so they may want to but can not just give it all away. Consider how much money MandrakeSoft,Red Hat and others loose by make iso availble.
Regards,
Alex :)
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point very well made.
and it does bring up another point.
back in the day when all linux distros were made up emtirly of volentiers and relied solely off of contributions from its end users. You could get cds from places like like walnut creek (i belive that what their name was) and Linux Systems Labs for the price of the cd + shipping and handling. It came out to be about $10 - $12 (little to no profit involved). And in the readme's and documents of each and every distro it told us to make copy after copy and give them away and not to sell them. The linux community has changed a lot seice then, and i feel is has been for worse then better. But it is aparent that the old support of the end users to their favoirt distro no longer exists. And this vital life line of support needs to be reestablished.
I remember I bought my versy first distro for about $5 and didnt have a clue about how to install it, and some guy was kind enough to come over to my house, sit in my computer chair and install SuSE linux on my computer while explaining everything to me in detail, what to do's and what not to do's. Damn where have those days gone?
I dont know, but maby i'm just stuck in the old linux way of doing things.
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On Saturday 16 February 2002 11:34 pm, one_inch wrote:
clue about how to install it, and some guy was kind enough to come over to my house, sit in my computer chair and install SuSE linux on my computer while explaining everything to me in detail, what to do's and what not to
Someone can still do that for you; if they have SuSE on CDs they can copy it to your computer without breaking any licenses, AFAIK, and guide you through the installation.
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