[opensuse] plasma desktop crashes
I have an openSUSE 11.2 system running KDE 4.6. For one user, the plasma desktop crashes when they log in, resulting in a useless desktop. A new user works fine. So, I thought it would be useful to delete /tmp/kde-user* /var/tmp/kdecache-user* Nope. That did not solve it. What else might make plasma desktop fail for a single user? Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
El jue, 31-05-2012 a las 08:36 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer escribió:
I have an openSUSE 11.2 system running KDE 4.6. For one user, the plasma desktop crashes when they log in, resulting in a useless desktop. A new user works fine. So, I thought it would be useful to delete
/tmp/kde-user*
/var/tmp/kdecache-user*
Nope. That did not solve it. What else might make plasma desktop fail for a single user?
Yours sincerely,
Roger Oberholtzer
OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST
Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________
Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se
Roger, openSUSE 11.2 went to the end of life cycle several months ago. Hence, it does not receive any updates. Unless you are Evergreen repo subscriber. Otherwise, I will recommend you upgrade to 11.4 or do a clean 12.1 install. Regards, -- Ricardo Chung | Panama Linux Ambassador openSUSE Projects -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 10:37 -0500, Ricardo Chung wrote:
Roger,
openSUSE 11.2 went to the end of life cycle several months ago. Hence, it does not receive any updates. Unless you are Evergreen repo subscriber. Otherwise, I will recommend you upgrade to 11.4 or do a clean 12.1 install.
This I know. But in production systems, we do not update very often. I had hoped to be using 12.1 in production, but the initial release issues (mainly KDE) kept this from happening. By the time they were sorted out, our window of opportunity closed. So we are targeting 12.2. I do use 12.1 in test systems. But not in production. Having said that, if a user's environment goes south, I would not expect the immediate response to be to chuck out the OS and install a new one. Especially since the problem is limited to that user. I get that since the OS reached EOL perhaps no one wants to deal with it. Is the location of files controlling the plasma desktop so very different between KDE 4.7 and 4.8? Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday, May 31, 2012 05:53:47 PM Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 10:37 -0500, Ricardo Chung wrote:
Roger,
openSUSE 11.2 went to the end of life cycle several months ago. Hence, it does not receive any updates. Unless you are Evergreen repo subscriber. Otherwise, I will recommend you upgrade to 11.4 or do a clean 12.1 install.
This I know. But in production systems, we do not update very often. I had hoped to be using 12.1 in production, but the initial release issues (mainly KDE) kept this from happening. By the time they were sorted out, our window of opportunity closed. So we are targeting 12.2. I do use 12.1 in test systems. But not in production.
Having said that, if a user's environment goes south, I would not expect the immediate response to be to chuck out the OS and install a new one. Especially since the problem is limited to that user. I get that since the OS reached EOL perhaps no one wants to deal with it.
Is the location of files controlling the plasma desktop so very different between KDE 4.7 and 4.8?
Yours sincerely,
Roger Oberholtzer
OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST
Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________
Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se
Sorry for delayed response. Not able to give you the proper answer. I understand your point. I can't really remember how it used to work oS 11.2 KDE right now. Maybe another one in the mailing list could be more helpful. Regards, -- Ricardo Chung | Panama Linux & FOSS Ambassador openSUSE Projects -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
I've been having this problem for over 2 years (I think. I didn't look up for how long, but it's been happening for a long time.) I have been reduced to running gnome, which I hate. Again, new users work fine. I'm running 11.3 and it happened with 11.2 also. Jim On 5/31/2012 10:37 AM, Ricardo Chung wrote:
El jue, 31-05-2012 a las 08:36 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer escribió:
I have an openSUSE 11.2 system running KDE 4.6. For one user, the plasma desktop crashes when they log in, resulting in a useless desktop. A new user works fine. So, I thought it would be useful to delete
/tmp/kde-user*
/var/tmp/kdecache-user*
Nope. That did not solve it. What else might make plasma desktop fail for a single user?
Yours sincerely,
Roger Oberholtzer
OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST
Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________
Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se
Roger,
openSUSE 11.2 went to the end of life cycle several months ago. Hence, it does not receive any updates. Unless you are Evergreen repo subscriber. Otherwise, I will recommend you upgrade to 11.4 or do a clean 12.1 install.
Regards,
-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday, 31 May 2012 10:37 Ricardo Chung wrote:
El jue, 31-05-2012 a las 08:36 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer escribió:
I have an openSUSE 11.2 system running KDE 4.6. For one user, the plasma desktop crashes when they log in, resulting in a useless desktop. A new user works fine. So, I thought it would be useful to delete
/tmp/kde-user*
/var/tmp/kdecache-user*
Nope. That did not solve it. What else might make plasma desktop fail for a single user?
Yours sincerely,
Roger Oberholtzer
OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST
Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________
Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se
Roger,
openSUSE 11.2 went to the end of life cycle several months ago. Hence, it does not receive any updates. Unless you are Evergreen repo subscriber. Otherwise, I will recommend you upgrade to 11.4 or do a clean 12.1 install.
Regards,
Geez...That's been the standard M$ answer for so many of its problems since day one. That or 'get more RAM'. There's got to be better answers that actually address the problem that happened to the OP than that. -- Powered by Slackware 13.37 19:33:13 up 21 min, 2 users, load average: 0.81, 0.80, 0.64 Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived. - Isaac Asimov Registered Linux user #214117 at http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2012, 19:35:37 schrieb Insomniactoo:
Geez...That's been the standard M$ answer for so many of its problems since day one. That or 'get more RAM'.
There's got to be better answers that actually address the problem that happened to the OP than that.
And we are waiting for you to give it to him – unless complaining about others' advices is all you can do. So please, go ahead if you have a better answer or just skip you complaining if you cannot offer any better advice. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Friday, 01 June 2012 15:02 Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2012, 19:35:37 schrieb Insomniactoo:
Geez...That's been the standard M$ answer for so many of its problems
since day one. That or 'get more RAM'.
There's got to be better answers that actually address the problem that
happened to the OP than that.
And we are waiting for you to give it to him – unless complaining about others' advices is all you can do.
So please, go ahead if you have a better answer or just skip you complaining if you cannot offer any better advice.
Sven
Again, another standard answer from one whose delicate sensibilities were so meanly stomped all over. -- Powered by Slackware 13.37 19:59:57 up 6:58, 2 users, load average: 0.87, 0.87, 0.86 Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived. - Isaac Asimov Registered Linux user #214117 at http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:00:41 -0500
Insomniactoo
On Friday, 01 June 2012 15:02 Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2012, 19:35:37 schrieb Insomniactoo:
Geez...That's been the standard M$ answer for so many of its problems
since day one. That or 'get more RAM'.
There's got to be better answers that actually address the problem that
happened to the OP than that.
And we are waiting for you to give it to him – unless complaining about others' advices is all you can do.
So please, go ahead if you have a better answer or just skip you complaining if you cannot offer any better advice.
Sven
Again, another standard answer from one whose delicate sensibilities were so meanly stomped all over.
Not really! The idea of this list is to provide help to others, not just gripe about other operating systems. If you have something constructive to offer then by all means do so, not just bitch & moan. Tom -- “What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal.” Albert Pine Tom Taylor - retired penguin AMD Phenom II x4 955 -- 4GB RAM -- 2x1.5TB sata2 openSUSE 12.1x86_64 openSUSE 12.2x86_64 KDE 4.7.2, FF 7.0 KDE 4.8.1, FF 10.0 claws-mail 3.8.0 registered linux user 263467 linxt-At-comcast-DoT-net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/31/2012 02:36 PM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I have an openSUSE 11.2 system running KDE 4.6. For one user, the plasma desktop crashes when they log in, resulting in a useless desktop. A new user works fine. So, I thought it would be useful to delete
/tmp/kde-user*
/var/tmp/kdecache-user*
Nope. That did not solve it. What else might make plasma desktop fail for a single user?
I won't necessarily be able to give the best technical advice, but maybe we can get you started here on something. I had a technical guy, well versed in opensuse that used to often contribute to this list, tell me once that if KDE was unstable, he would delete not only the user and the cache directory, but also the files in the socket directory. I tried this once when my system was slowing down significantly, and it did help. But rather than going through root, as you did, I followed the linked directories from the /home/user/.kde4 directory /home/user/.kde4/cache-user /home/user/.kde4/socket-user /home/user/.kde4/tmp-user It shouldn't matter which path you use to get to the contents, of course. When I did it, I only deleted the files and not the subdirectories, as that would have erased all my user settings. Another test you might do is create a completely new user, and see if the desktop crashes when that one logs in. And then for those of you with more experience out there, does anyone remember a bug in an older distribution that caused a desktop crash with multiple user accounts? If so, perhaps chasing down the details of that bug might help Roger to know whether or not he really should upgrade the distribution. My desktop was crashing quite often recently until I put on the proprietary nvidia video driver. So the video driver might have something to do with it. -- G.O. Box #1: 12.1 | KDE 4.8.3 | AMD Athlon X3 | 64 | nVidia C61 GeForce 7025 | 4GB RAM Box #2 12.1 | KDE 4.8.3 | Pentium 4 (2core) | 32 | Intel 82915G | 2GB RAM Lap #1: 12.1 | KDE 4.8.3 | Core2 Duo T8100 | 64 | Intel 965GM | 4GB RAM Lap #2: 12.1 | KDE 4.8.2 | Core Duo T2400 | 32 | NVIDIA Quadro NVS 120 | 2GB RAM learning openSUSE and loving it -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 11:36 +0800, George Olson wrote:
Another test you might do is create a completely new user, and see if the desktop crashes when that one logs in.
I mentioned in the original question that a newly created user worked fine. As that is the case, I guess they could delete the current .kde4 directory and the various caches in the current user and let them be recreated. That would be pretty much what they would get with a new user anyway. But that is a last ditch effort. I think they are trying to preserve their KDE config. The problem has occurred in a measurement vehicle out on some highway system. The measurement crew are not trained in user recovery. Explaining how to configure KDE over the mobile is possible, but not something they want to do if it can be avoided. We have on our to-do list making a script that configures a user's KDE setup. This seems to be a rather poorly documented part of KDE, and so we still must do this by hand on every install. Generally we can live with that. But here is an example of when such customization would best be scripted. The types of things we change are those that effect our use of the system. Like disabling screen savers, power saving features, system update nagging. Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:01:24 Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 11:36 +0800, George Olson wrote:
Another test you might do is create a completely new user, and see if the desktop crashes when that one logs in.
I mentioned in the original question that a newly created user worked fine. As that is the case, I guess they could delete the current .kde4 directory and the various caches in the current user and let them be recreated. That would be pretty much what they would get with a new user anyway. But that is a last ditch effort.
Roger, It sounds to me like a corruption or incompatibility in one of the desktop configuration files under .kde4/share/config. When I have had issues like this in the past, I have usually ended up backing up and deleting all the plasma- related config files. Unfortunately, this then requires recreating all of the user settings (which I know you're trying to avoid). These are only text files, so it may be possible (if you had access to the desktop) to narrow it down to a specific file or even section of a file but that is not likely to be something solved quickly.
I think they are trying to preserve their KDE config. The problem has occurred in a measurement vehicle out on some highway system. The measurement crew are not trained in user recovery. Explaining how to configure KDE over the mobile is possible, but not something they want to do if it can be avoided.
I feel your pain. What KDE needs is a default user template that can be customised and saved and used as the basis for new users (I think 'doze can do this to a certain extent).
We have on our to-do list making a script that configures a user's KDE setup. This seems to be a rather poorly documented part of KDE, and so we still must do this by hand on every install. Generally we can live with that. But here is an example of when such customization would best be scripted. The types of things we change are those that effect our use of the system. Like disabling screen savers, power saving features, system update nagging.
None of this should be too difficult to do - it just takes time (which in this case you may not have). If you do come up with a suitable framework I'm sure there would be others interested in it. Regards, Rodney. -- ========================================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ========================================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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