Slightly baffled with the Euro symbol
OK... how do I type the Euro symbol on my keyboard?? Various web pages have suggested things like <Alt> <164>, <Shift><4>, <AltGr> <E> etc. None of which seem to work on my European version of the Logitec cordless keyboard (with keyboard layout set to UK) - BTW, the Euro symbol is stamped on the <5> key on this keyboard. I copy/pasted this symbol into the email - € - looks OK on my end... so the fonts are installed, and KMail can display the symbol. One web page I read suggested I use xmodmap -e "keycode 96 = 164" to map the symbol to <F12>... great... now all I get are ?? (shows up as question marks) Crap... now I r?ally scr?w?d things up. Whil? typing this ?mail I hav? b??n m?ssing about with my font s?ttings and now som? l?tt?rs show up as ?'s... Anyway, any sugg?stions to h?lp m? out of this m?ss would b? mor? than w?lcom?. C. -- This is Linux country. If you listen carefully, you can hear Windows reboot...
On Thursday 03 January 2002 09:16, Clayton Cornell wrote:
OK... how do I type the Euro symbol on my keyboard??
Various web pages have suggested things like <Alt> <164>, <Shift><4>, <AltGr> <E> etc. None of which seem to work on my European version of the Logitec cordless keyboard (with keyboard layout set to UK) - BTW, the Euro symbol is stamped on the <5> key on this keyboard.
I copy/pasted this symbol into the email - € - looks OK on my end... so the fonts are installed, and KMail can display the symbol.
One web page I read suggested I use xmodmap -e "keycode 96 = 164" to map the symbol to <F12>... great... now all I get are ?? (shows up as question marks)
Crap... now I r?ally scr?w?d things up. Whil? typing this ?mail I hav? b??n m?ssing about with my font s?ttings and now som? l?tt?rs show up as ?'s...
Anyway, any sugg?stions to h?lp m? out of this m?ss would b? mor? than w?lcom?.
C.
Recovered my letter e... still no success with typing a Euro symbol though.... C. -- This is Linux country. If you listen carefully, you can hear Windows reboot...
Clayton Cornell schrieb:
OK... how do I type the Euro symbol on my keyboard??
It should be located on the letter "E". AltGR + E. Theory. I tried to get it, but it seems to be dependent on the font used. ¤¤¤ <- these symbols should be "Euro" but aren't. I selected (after searching) a Euro monetary format in StarCalc 5, but the Euro sign was not displayed. Then I changed the font to a "native" SO font and upps! it appeared. I do not know hoe outdated my TTF's are. I would have to display them individualy with ghostscript. But I bet it's the font. Juergen -- =========================================== __ _ Juergen Braukmann juergen.braukmann@gmx.de| -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb@db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu | /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ===========================================_\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\
On Thursday 03 January 2002 18:15, Juergen Braukmann wrote: <snip>
€€€ <- these symbols should be "Euro" but aren't.
On my machine (7.3, kde 2.2.1 kmail 1.3.1) these 3 symbols _do_ appear as Euros. Weird. Could this be an encoding issue? I've got the encoding set to Western-European iso-8859-15. I've got a US keyboard without a Euro symbol on it (only bought it 10 months ago, I would have expected all keyboards to carry a Euro) and I can't get it to type Euros with any of the advice suggested. Regards, Jethro
Jethro Cramp schrieb:
On Thursday 03 January 2002 18:15, Juergen Braukmann wrote: <snip>
¤¤¤ <- these symbols should be "Euro" but aren't.
On my machine (7.3, kde 2.2.1 kmail 1.3.1) these 3 symbols _do_ appear as Euros. Weird. Could this be an encoding issue? I've got the encoding set to Western-European iso-8859-15.
Hi Jethro, you are right: in Netscape I see a "placeholder". If I view that (reply of yours quoting my mail) with kmail I can see Euros. I still think in the encoding for the byte in my mail the appropiate character (bytewise) is used, unfortunately, there is no representation in the actual font file (older than the euro??) so I see nothing. It could be that the iso-8859-X is somehow different on this. -1 should have (Western / Western Europe???) the euro sign. But I can change the encoding for sending mails with kmail. No euro there either, just a question mark. I think the question is "how can I view a font (file) to see the characters of that very font?" If this font is known to ghostscript, I got the answer: (but not handy. I wanted by someone I'll look it up) Anyway. I'll be off now to spend my last DM and start spending Euros first time. ;-) Juergen
I've got a US keyboard without a Euro symbol on it (only bought it 10 months ago, I would have expected all keyboards to carry a Euro) and I can't get it to type Euros with any of the advice suggested.
Regards,
Jethro
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On Thursday 03 January 2002 17.10, Juergen Braukmann wrote:
It could be that the iso-8859-X is somehow different on this. -1 should have (Western / Western Europe???) the euro sign.
Nope. 8859-15 is defined as 8859-1 plus € (euro sign). Try setting your character set to -15, and things should work. In your original mail I saw three garbage chars, in Jethro's reply I saw three euros and the only difference was that he was using -15 and you -1. //Anders
Anders Johansson schrieb:
On Thursday 03 January 2002 17.10, Juergen Braukmann wrote:
It could be that the iso-8859-X is somehow different on this. -1 should have (Western / Western Europe???) the euro sign.
Nope. 8859-15 is defined as 8859-1 plus ¤ (euro sign).
Try setting your character set to -15, and things should work. In your original mail I saw three garbage chars, in Jethro's reply I saw three euros and the only difference was that he was using -15 and you -1.
//Anders
Hi Anders, OK, your bit explains all a bit more. I am now able to see and generate the Euro sign (as I also was in Staroffice before). Netscape, in my case here and now doesn't display it. The same mail viewed with kmail does. I can display the euro sign in kde's xterm, if I set the font to unicode. I think there is something wrong with either netscape, it's setup or it's fonts. I'll look into that tomorrow. Otherwise "EUR" wil work as well. Juergen -- =========================================== __ _ Juergen Braukmann juergen.braukmann@gmx.de| -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb@db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu | /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ===========================================_\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\
In netscape, you can change the character set as well. Under the "View" menu you should have (if it's a recent version) an option for 8859-15 as well. - Herman Juergen Braukmann wrote:
Anders Johansson schrieb:
On Thursday 03 January 2002 17.10, Juergen Braukmann wrote:
It could be that the iso-8859-X is somehow different on this. -1 should have (Western / Western Europe???) the euro sign.
Nope. 8859-15 is defined as 8859-1 plus ¤ (euro sign).
Try setting your character set to -15, and things should work. In your original mail I saw three garbage chars, in Jethro's reply I saw three euros and the only difference was that he was using -15 and you -1.
//Anders
Hi Anders, OK, your bit explains all a bit more. I am now able to see and generate the Euro sign (as I also was in Staroffice before). Netscape, in my case here and now doesn't display it. The same mail viewed with kmail does. I can display the euro sign in kde's xterm, if I set the font to unicode. I think there is something wrong with either netscape, it's setup or it's fonts.
I'll look into that tomorrow. Otherwise "EUR" wil work as well.
Juergen
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Herman Knief schrieb:
In netscape, you can change the character set as well. Under the "View" menu you should have (if it's a recent version) an option for 8859-15 as well.
- Herman
Hi Herman, thanks. I didn't know that. Realy. I even didn't try to look there. Because I dug up prefferences and changed it there. But it works now. In this regard, netscape is a bit like *any* product from our favourite (non)software manufactor. ;-) now happy ;-) Juergen -- =========================================== __ _ Juergen Braukmann juergen.braukmann@gmx.de| -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb@db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu | /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ===========================================_\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\
It could be that the iso-8859-X is somehow different on this. -1 should have (Western / Western Europe???) the euro sign. But I can change the encoding for sending mails with kmail. No euro there either, just a question mark.
AFAIK only iso-8859-15 has the Euro. Praise
Hi Juergan, On Friday 04 January 2002 00:10, Juergen Braukmann wrote:
It could be that the iso-8859-X is somehow different on this. -1 should have (Western / Western Europe???) the euro sign. But I can change the encoding for sending mails with kmail. No euro there either, just a question mark.
You can set the encoding for outgoing messages in Kmail 2 ways. Globally in Kmail > Settings > Configure Kmail > Composer > Charset. On each individual e-mail you can over ride the global settings in Options > Set Encoding.
I think the question is "how can I view a font (file) to see the characters of that very font?"
Sorry no idea. But would be a useful tool.
Anyway. I'll be off now to spend my last DM and start spending Euros first time. ;-)
Heh-heh. I'm out of Europe for another few months but I can't wait to get my hands on Euros. No more carrying around a fist full of currencies and always being pissed off with the amont of change in coins at the end of every trip! Regards, Jethro
Jethro Cramp:
Juergen Braukmann:
I think the question is "how can I view a font (file) to see the characters of that very font?"
Sorry no idea. But would be a useful tool.
xfd -fn fontname where fontname is one of the fonts shown by xlsfonts Example: xfd -fn -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--18-120-100-100-c-90-iso8859-15 shows the characters of this font, including the euro symbol! Another tool is KCharSelect (K > Utilities > Character Selector) SH
Sjoerd Hiemstra schrieb:
Hi Sjoerd ,
Jethro Cramp:
Juergen Braukmann:
I think the question is "how can I view a font (file) to see the characters of that very font?"
Sorry no idea. But would be a useful tool.
xfd -fn fontname where fontname is one of the fonts shown by xlsfonts
Example: xfd -fn -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--18-120-100-100-c-90-iso8859-15 shows the characters of this font, including the euro symbol!
Whow! That tip made it immedeately into my extended memory (the small hintbook that sits besides my machine). That's the thing I realy like about linux/unix: If there is a problem there is a solution, because so. had thought of that before and cured it. ;-) In fact, that hint is so good, it could go in Togans FAQ. Are you listening Togan?
Another tool is KCharSelect (K > Utilities > Character Selector)
Well,I needed some time to find it in my german KDE-Menue (that I just convinced to be german again ;-)) but then I failed. It looks like that I see only iso8859-1, for whatever reason. And I neither see what char set (iso-wise) it is, to give me more hints. Btw. back to netscape, I can't see the Euro symbol while writing mail (also I can send it). My netscape config seems to be screwed up somehow, also it is set to (display) 8859-15 it defaults to 8859-1 after restart, also 8859-15 is still marked. resetting that setting cures things. Time to test with my other user profile. ;-) Juergen
SH
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On Saturday, 05 January 2002 05:40, Jethro Cramp wrote:
xfd -fn fontname where fontname is one of the fonts shown by xlsfonts
Example: xfd -fn -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--18-120-100-100-c-90-iso8859-15 shows the characters of this font, including the euro symbol!
Hi, all! Things are more complicated than I'd wish. When I tried that xfd above, yes, I got the well-displayed box with all the characters, where the Euro symbol appeared between the Pound (£) and the Yen (¥) symbols. In KMail, even choosing misc-fixed with iso8859-15, I can't get the Euro symbol. Somehow, my keyboard (Windows) doesn't allow AltGr *with* Ctrl. It's not that I need it, but I'd like to be able to do it. Regards, gr, in sunny, warm Florida. **"In war, it counts not who's right, but who's left."** /Dear Abby/
On Thu, 2002-01-03 at 09:16, Clayton Cornell wrote:
OK... how do I type the Euro symbol on my keyboard?? (...)
Hi Clayton, The Euro-Symbol is AltGr-E on the German keyboard, and I heard it would be Ctrl-Alt-E on an American. Ok, however, it's not that easy .... have a look at SuSE-sdb. In short: 1. Check your locales which support the €: tux:~ # locale --all-locale | grep euro If yours doesn't end on @euro, it istn't working. Fire up Old-YaST, system administration, change config file, go to RC_LANG and set it to a value which supports the Euro. For England this might possibly be en_IE@euro Once you're in this config-file, you are recommended to set Console-Font to lat9w-16.psfu.gz. (see sdb for details). 2. Use the Euro symbol: Set encoding to iso-8859-15. It might have been iso-8859-1 originally. This must be done e.g. in the KDE control center Wolfi ============================================= mailto:wolfi_z@yahoo.com The sdb URL should be: http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/jkoeke_euro.html _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Hello. Being in Ireland, I thought I ought to give this a whirl, and it doesn't work for me either. I also seem to have found the articles wolfi referred to: http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/jkoeke_euro.html http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/jkoeke_foreign_euro.html The Euro Symbol € is under the numeral 4 on my keyboard, and in Windows land I just need to press Ctrl-Alt-4 and the euro symbol appears. I followed the instructions in the above SDB articles, but it still doesn't work. Obviously, I logged out of KDE and back in again. I'm wondering if this is something that requires a reboot after changing, or maybe just a re-init might suffice. Bye for now, Stuart. -----Original Message----- From: wolfi [mailto:wolfi_z@yahoo.com] Sent: 03 January 2002 10:19 To: SuSE List Subject: Re: [SLE] Slightly baffled with the Euro symbol On Thu, 2002-01-03 at 09:16, Clayton Cornell wrote:
OK... how do I type the Euro symbol on my keyboard?? (...)
Hi Clayton, The Euro-Symbol is AltGr-E on the German keyboard, and I heard it would be Ctrl-Alt-E on an American. Ok, however, it's not that easy .... have a look at SuSE-sdb. In short: 1. Check your locales which support the €: tux:~ # locale --all-locale | grep euro If yours doesn't end on @euro, it istn't working. Fire up Old-YaST, system administration, change config file, go to RC_LANG and set it to a value which supports the Euro. For England this might possibly be en_IE@euro Once you're in this config-file, you are recommended to set Console-Font to lat9w-16.psfu.gz. (see sdb for details). 2. Use the Euro symbol: Set encoding to iso-8859-15. It might have been iso-8859-1 originally. This must be done e.g. in the KDE control center Wolfi ============================================= mailto:wolfi_z@yahoo.com The sdb URL should be: http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/jkoeke_euro.html _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the archives at http://lists.suse.com
On Thu, 2002-01-03 at 11:47, Stuart Powell wrote:
Hello.
Being in Ireland, I thought I ought to give this a whirl, and it doesn't work for me either. I also seem to have found the articles wolfi referred to (....)
Hi Stuart, On the German keyboard we have two different Alt-buttons. This makes some things easier, I seem to notice :-) The left one is just Alt, whereas the right one is AltGr, which I read as Alt-Griechisch [and that's German for Old-Greek :-)]. It does offer you some greek letters, e.g. AltGr-M is µ, AltGr-D is ð ... and some danish as well: AltGr-A being æ and AltGr-O being ø ... Ok, back to topic :-) What keyboard layout do you have in Ireland? I only know the American layout besides the German and therefore can't tell you about other keyboards ... And which SuSE version are you running? IIRC the € Euro was supported no earlier than 7.2 and I did not turn it to work on my box before 7.3 - and I wouldn't have it running even today if my wife hadn't protested :-)) Did you try Ctrl-Alt-E ? Cheers .... Wolfi ============================================= mailto:wolfi_z@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Hello, everyone. My keyboard is an MS Natural Keyboard Pro, bought locally here in Ireland. Since I haven't seen a UK keyboard for a while, I couldn't swear to it, but the layout seems identical. It is certainly very different to the US ones I've been using for a while. The Euro symbol is the third symbol on the '4' key, and if I press CTRL-ALT-4 the euro pops up, voila € (the preceeding symbol should be a euro). This keyboard also has the AltGr to the right of the spacebar. I am running SuSE 7.3 with very little modification, and certainly nothing that should affect this issue. I carried out the instructions from the SDB, but it made no difference in KDE or on the console. That's why I was wondering if this was one of those rare things that would require a reboot or a re-init, boith of which I'm loathe to do as the test machine is my home file server. Maybe I'll fire up the laptop and try it on that. I tried out the various combinations of ALT, SHIFT, CTRL, AltGr. However, since the keyboard has a euro symbol on it, I'm wondering if changing the Xmodmap (as also suggested) to use the Ctrl-Alt-4 combination might be a better choice anyway. While I'm at it, I should probably chage KDE's default money symbol to the euro instead of IR£. Yup, I think I'll try this out on the laptop tomorrow and see if a reboot cures it, or if it is working on the laptop already. Bye for now, Stuart. -----Original Message----- From: wolfi [mailto:wolfi_z@yahoo.com] Sent: 03 January 2002 12:49 To: SuSE List Subject: RE: [SLE] Slightly baffled with the Euro symbol On Thu, 2002-01-03 at 11:47, Stuart Powell wrote:
Hello.
Being in Ireland, I thought I ought to give this a whirl, and it doesn't work for me either. I also seem to have found the articles wolfi referred to (....)
Hi Stuart, On the German keyboard we have two different Alt-buttons. This makes some things easier, I seem to notice :-) The left one is just Alt, whereas the right one is AltGr, which I read as Alt-Griechisch [and that's German for Old-Greek :-)]. It does offer you some greek letters, e.g. AltGr-M is µ, AltGr-D is ð ... and some danish as well: AltGr-A being æ and AltGr-O being ø ... Ok, back to topic :-) What keyboard layout do you have in Ireland? I only know the American layout besides the German and therefore can't tell you about other keyboards ... And which SuSE version are you running? IIRC the € Euro was supported no earlier than 7.2 and I did not turn it to work on my box before 7.3 - and I wouldn't have it running even today if my wife hadn't protested :-)) Did you try Ctrl-Alt-E ? Cheers .... Wolfi ============================================= mailto:wolfi_z@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the archives at http://lists.suse.com
On Thursday 03 January 2002 11:19, wolfi wrote:
The Euro-Symbol is AltGr-E on the German keyboard, and I heard it would be Ctrl-Alt-E on an American.
Forgot to mention it in the previous emails... I am using SuSE7.3 with a full
install that I have been slowly paring down (taking out the applications i
don't use).
Anyway, on to the Euro thing....
AltGr-E just gives me an e. I can use AltGr with other keys to give me
things like µ, ø etc... (I have the right Alt key set up as AltGr)
I don't have a German keyboard... I have a generic European keyboard
(Logitech Cordless Desktop Pro)... actually bought in the Netherlands. The
keyboard itself appears to have Euro support... like I mentioned in the
original posting, the keyboard has a Euro symbol as the 3rd symbol on the 5
key.
I checked out the SDB, and read it all carefully. I tried it all with a UK
keyboard layout, and it didn't seem to change anything except to remap some
of the other useful keys... things like the @ ended up under AltQ. I changed
it to US, and followed the instructions for setting up a non EU keyboard
layout. Basically, setting the language and keyboard to EN_US, setting up a
local Xmodmap ( xmodmap -pke > ~/.Xmodmap ), changing the keycodes around a
bit (keycode 95 = EuroSign for example). My KDE encoding is set to
iso-8859-15 everywhere. I even copy/pasted a Euro into the currency symbol
line in the Country & Language. Still no Euro symbol... just ?'s when I try
the various key combinations ( <AltGr E>,
On Thu, 2002-01-03 at 14:19, Clayton Cornell wrote:>
Forgot to mention it in the previous emails... I am using SuSE7.3 with a full install that I have been slowly paring down (taking out the applications i don't use).
Anyway, on to the Euro thing.... (...)
Ok, if it is that way, then you should check this locale setting. I am using en_IE@euro and that fixed it for me (see previous post, or below). If I understand your post correctly, you haven't changed this yet, have you ?? You just tried keyboard layout and encoding, but that doesn't do the trick alone, at least it didn't on my box :-) Cheers and good luck .... Wolfi ============================================= mailto:wolfi_z@yahoo.com LOCALE: Fire up Old-YaST, system administration, change config file, go to RC_LANG and set it to a value which supports the Euro. For England (or one who prefers running stuff in English) this might possibly be en_IE@euro Once you're in this config-file, you are recommended to set Console-Font to lat9w-16.psfu.gz. (see sdb for details). _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
On Thursday 03 January 2002 15:01, wolfi wrote:
Ok, if it is that way, then you should check this locale setting. I am using en_IE@euro and that fixed it for me (see previous post, or below). If I understand your post correctly, you haven't changed this yet, have you ?? You just tried keyboard layout and encoding, but that doesn't do the trick alone, at least it didn't on my box :-)
Yup, I have en_IE@euro in RC_LANG. A bit of a pain though... it remaps some of the standard English keyboard layout... things like the @ and " switch places, and the tilde is where the pipe should be.. don't know where the pipe has moved to... and hash/pound (whatever you call it.. the one that is usually Shift 3 on English keyboards) has disappeared too. No sign of the Euro symbol anywhere either ;-( I have to wonder if, in all the poking about I do with my system (the only way to learn right?) that I haven't changed some setting somewhere that is interfering with the basic instructions you outlined here... these instructions for enabling the Euro symbol are not that complicated... C. -- This is Linux country. If you listen carefully, you can hear Windows reboot...
On Thu, 2002-01-03 at 15:57, Clayton Cornell wrote:
Yup, I have en_IE@euro in RC_LANG. A bit of a pain though... it remaps some of the standard English keyboard layout... things like the @ and " switch places, and the tilde is where the pipe should be.. don't know where the pipe has moved to... and hash/pound (whatever you call it.. the one that is usually Shift 3 on English keyboards) has disappeared too. No sign of the Euro symbol anywhere either ;-(
I have to wonder if, in all the poking about I do with my system (the only way to learn right?) that I haven't changed some setting somewhere that is interfering with the basic instructions you outlined here... these instructions for enabling the Euro symbol are not that complicated...
If it isn't working with this method (using a locale which is both '@euro' and fitting your keyboard, setting encoding to iso-8859-15, and leaving your keyboard layout basically unchanged) you should send a complete description of the problem to feedback@suse.de - they should fix this or provide all the information required on sdb. Did you also read this about non-euro-countries? I didn't. http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/jkoeke_foreign_euro.html Don't know if this can help you further, maybe, since the UK is a non-Euro-country and you mentioned that you are using an English layout. Again, good luck and Cheers .... Wolfi ============================================= mailto:wolfi_z@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
On Thu, 2002-01-03 at 15:57, Clayton Cornell wrote:
Yup, I have en_IE@euro in RC_LANG. A bit of a pain though... it remaps some of the standard English keyboard layout... things like the @ and " switch places, and the tilde is where the pipe should be.. don't know where the pipe has moved to... and hash/pound (whatever you call it.. the one that is usually Shift 3 on English keyboards) has disappeared too. No sign of the Euro symbol anywhere either ;-(
Hi Clayton, One (possibly last) idea: You said, you were using KMail? On sdb they say, you might have to switch encoding once more in applications ... In KMail it's settings- configure KMail- Composer- Charset ... Does it change something if you switch to iso-8859-15 there ?? Wolfi ============================================= mailto:wolfi_z@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
On Thursday 03 January 2002 16:58, wolfi wrote:
On Thu, 2002-01-03 at 15:57, Clayton Cornell wrote:
Yup, I have en_IE@euro in RC_LANG. A bit of a pain though... it remaps some of the standard English keyboard layout... things like the @ and " switch places, and the tilde is where the pipe should be.. don't know where the pipe has moved to... and hash/pound (whatever you call it.. the one that is usually Shift 3 on English keyboards) has disappeared too. No sign of the Euro symbol anywhere either ;-(
Hi Clayton,
One (possibly last) idea: You said, you were using KMail? On sdb they say, you might have to switch encoding once more in applications ... In KMail it's settings- configure KMail- Composer- Charset ... Does it change something if you switch to iso-8859-15 there ??
Thought of that one too. I set iso-8859-15 as the default in KMail and also set it on the top of the list of available charsets.... I am going to mess around with the settings a bit more yet tonight - with the suggestions so far, and some persistance, I might stumble on the right combination yet. C. -- This is Linux country. If you listen carefully, you can hear Windows reboot...
On Thursday 03 January 2002 15:01, wolfi wrote: <snip>
Ok, if it is that way, then you should check this locale setting. I am using en_IE@euro and that fixed it for me (see previous post, or below).
Hi, (Moin Wolfi...) I'm using the above now and have changed the setting in the Control Center to -15 and now I'm able to type an Euro (€)... but I haven't seen a single euro-sign in any of the msgs of this thread?? [start add-in] hmm, I've just put this msg in the outbox after I was done and when I looked at it, my euro-sign was gone and such an o-like placeholder was there... now that I'm back in the composer, the euro-sign is back... how do I get it to display all over the place? I've selected iso-8859-15 as my default charset in "Configure KMail | Composer" and moved it up to the top as well, but I noticed that I have a "Character set"-setting under "Appearance" as well (on the fonts tab) which displays iso-8859-1, but that whole field is greyed out, so I can't change it. Well, at least for "Message body" and the "Quoted text"-options, which would be the ones that I think I needed to change... [end add-in] Whenever ppl said they typed an euro-sign, I see this strange o-like thing... When I go to "Settings | Configure KMail | Appearance | Fonts" and browse through the fonts there is that same symbol behind each of the sentences in brackets... is that intended to indicate the fonts that have an euro sign (and should actually display one)? Hansen PS: from what I remember about english grammar, it should be "an euro"... but that sounds really weird to me... "a euro" sounds better... -- Powered by SuSE 7.3 - KDE 2.2.1 - KMail 1.3.1 Version Info: Linux 2.4.10-4GB
On Tuesday 08 January 2002 11.09, Johannes Liedtke wrote:
PS: from what I remember about english grammar, it should be "an euro"... but that sounds really weird to me... "a euro" sounds better...
The rule is "a" before consonant *sounds* and "an" before vowel *sounds*. the "yoo" sound in "euro" is consonant, and so gets "a". Like "an hotel". H is a consonant, but the sound is "an'otel" (in *real* english, that is :) //Anders
Anders Johansson schrieb:
On Tuesday 08 January 2002 11.09, Johannes Liedtke wrote:
PS: from what I remember about english grammar, it should be "an euro"... but that sounds really weird to me... "a euro" sounds better...
The rule is "a" before consonant *sounds* and "an" before vowel *sounds*. the "yoo" sound in "euro" is consonant, and so gets "a". Like "an hotel". H is a consonant, but the sound is "an'otel" (in *real* english, that is :)
//Anders
Oh dear. Because of these rules, I *always* got bat terms in english at school. In my final paper from school, I got a 5. (with 6 beeing the worst). I never had fun with grammer, I never managed proper spelling in writing. Oddly enough, those *good* in english didn't manage to *speak* on our one week visit to Hastings, England. I had nothing to loose. ;-) Later, I tuned to the british forces radio in germany and took most of my english from there. Oddly enough, I still write "an euro" and "a hotel". Best of all, nobody gives me bad term anymore. ;-) sorry for beeing of topic.... Juergen -- =========================================== __ _ Juergen Braukmann juergen.braukmann@gmx.de| -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb@db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu | /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ===========================================_\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\
Howdy All,
As a Suse newbie, allow me to record some partial successes:
Step 1: Acquired Suse 7.3 Pro, plus Athlon XP DDR with MSI GeForce3 Ti200
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Do Quick Install :
Hmm, now I kicked of a neat discussion about my post-scriptum, but still I have not figured out how to see a Euro-symbol (I learned it's "a euro" ;) ) in any of the msgs... I can type it in the composer and it's displayed alright, but it doesn't show anywhere in the msg-windows... :( nobody with a helping hand out there?? Hannes On Tuesday 08 January 2002 11:09, Johannes Liedtke wrote:
On Thursday 03 January 2002 15:01, wolfi wrote: <snip>
Ok, if it is that way, then you should check this locale setting. I am using en_IE@euro and that fixed it for me (see previous post, or below).
Hi, (Moin Wolfi...)
I'm using the above now and have changed the setting in the Control Center to -15 and now I'm able to type an Euro (€)... but I haven't seen a single euro-sign in any of the msgs of this thread??
[start add-in] hmm, I've just put this msg in the outbox after I was done and when I looked at it, my euro-sign was gone and such an o-like placeholder was there... now that I'm back in the composer, the euro-sign is back... how do I get it to display all over the place?
I've selected iso-8859-15 as my default charset in "Configure KMail | Composer" and moved it up to the top as well, but I noticed that I have a "Character set"-setting under "Appearance" as well (on the fonts tab) which displays iso-8859-1, but that whole field is greyed out, so I can't change it. Well, at least for "Message body" and the "Quoted text"-options, which would be the ones that I think I needed to change... [end add-in]
Whenever ppl said they typed an euro-sign, I see this strange o-like thing... When I go to "Settings | Configure KMail | Appearance | Fonts" and browse through the fonts there is that same symbol behind each of the sentences in brackets... is that intended to indicate the fonts that have an euro sign (and should actually display one)?
Hansen
PS: from what I remember about english grammar, it should be "an euro"... but that sounds really weird to me... "a euro" sounds better...
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On Thu, 2002-01-10 at 19:42, Johannes Liedtke wrote:
Hmm,
now I kicked of a neat discussion about my post-scriptum, but still I have not figured out how to see a Euro-symbol (I learned it's "a euro" ;) ) in any of the msgs... I can type it in the composer and it's displayed alright, but it doesn't show anywhere in the msg-windows... :(
nobody with a helping hand out there??
Hannes (....)
Hi, (Moin Wolfi...) (Moin Hannes...) I'm using the above now and have changed the setting in the Control Center to -15 and now I'm able to type an Euro (€)... but I haven't seen a single euro-sign in any of the msgs of this thread??
Well, just three lines above the line I am now writing ... There is one Euro sign in brackets. And it has survived replying at least twice:-) And what about these: €€€€ ? These are four Euro Signs typed on my German standard OEM keyboard PS-2 cheapmost edition with Evolution 1.0 on KDE 2.2.1 SuSE 7.3 kernel 2.4.16. Did I get you right, you don't see this ??!? It's somewhat corrupted in your display and gets back to normal when e.g. back on my box (after replying; in the same thread)? Cheers .... Wolfi ============================================= mailto:wolfi_z@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
On Friday 11 January 2002 00:00, wolfi wrote:
On Thu, 2002-01-10 at 19:42, Johannes Liedtke wrote:
Hmm,
now I kicked of a neat discussion about my post-scriptum, but still I have not figured out how to see a Euro-symbol (I learned it's "a euro" ;) ) in any of the msgs... I can type it in the composer and it's displayed alright, but it doesn't show anywhere in the msg-windows... :(
nobody with a helping hand out there??
Hannes (....)
Hi, (Moin Wolfi...)
(Moin Hannes...)
I'm using the above now and have changed the setting in the Control Center to -15 and now I'm able to type an Euro (?)... but I haven't seen a single euro-sign in any of the msgs of this thread??
Well, just three lines above the line I am now writing ... There is one Euro sign in brackets. And it has survived replying at least twice:-)
no, it hasn't really... as I composed the msg, I typed a € and it displayed allright in the composer window. When I then queued it and had a look at the outbox, it displayed this o-like thing with dots in four corners... After sending it and getting it from the server again, it still got the o-like thingy... when I hit reply (or L) now and the msg opens in the composer again, it now shows me a "?" instead. When I tried to send my update-msg yesterday, it complained that not all the characters in my msg fit the chosen encoding. (Which was set to iso-8859-15 when I looked at it that time). I figured it had to be the euro-sign-question-mark and replaced it with a euro, clicked "queue" again and it went through without complaining... I just forgot to mention that in the msg... your four euros below have displayed as the o-like thing in the msg-window and now that I have it in the composer, have turned into four question marks... I'll leave them untouched and just ignore the warning about the wrong encoding...
And what about these: ???? ? These are four Euro Signs typed on my German standard OEM keyboard PS-2 cheapmost edition with Evolution 1.0 on KDE 2.2.1 SuSE 7.3 kernel 2.4.16. Did I get you right, you don't see this ??!? It's somewhat corrupted in your display and gets back to normal when e.g. back on my box (after replying; in the same thread)?
well, something is kinda weird here... Hannes -- Powered by SuSE 7.3 - KDE 2.2.1 - KMail 1.3.1 Version Info: Linux 2.4.10-4GB
On Fri, 2002-01-11 at 08:48, Johannes Liedtke wrote: (....)
no, it hasn't really...
as I composed the msg, I typed a € and it displayed allright in the composer window. (....)
And I am seeing your Euro Sign here. Well, it must be something up with encoding and stuff. Obviously it gets transfered, but not always. That's what it made out of my previous post:
And what about these: ???? ? These are four Euro Signs typed on my German standard OEM keyboard PS-2 cheapmost edition with Evolution 1.0 on KDE 2.2.1 SuSE 7.3 kernel 2.4.16.
Euros to question marks. Cheers ... Wolfi ============================================= mailto:wolfi_z@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Hi Wolfi, I think the reason for your question marks is that the message will be matched against the character set when you save it for sending. kmail does warn you in that case that there are characters which the char-set is not supporting, and which will be lost. Despite having set the char-set to -15 it replaces my Euros € with question marks as well, as soon as I close the composer window for sending, ignoring the warning mentioned above. (There are just a few fonts anyway, such as Zurich, which I have and which show the € in composer.) I guess that it might be a font issue. I'm using tt fonts (anti-aliasing). Probably they are too old and do not contain the euro at the right place. I copied them over from a (non-european) windows pc. Now, when I set the keyboard to german and press AltGr-e , it gives the famous circle with the four dots around it. This will be changed to a ? when I save. But when I copy an Euro € from another message, it displays and saves correctly (true, if you see a euro here: € ). So the € is there, but the font does not have it at the right place (?). Regards, Matt On Friday 11 January 2002 15:58, wolfi wrote:
On Fri, 2002-01-11 at 08:48, Johannes Liedtke wrote: (....)
Well, it must be something up with encoding and stuff. Obviously it gets
transfered, but not always. That's what it made out of my previous post:
And what about these: ???? ? These are four Euro Signs typed on my German standard OEM keyboard PS-2 cheapmost edition with Evolution 1.0 on KDE 2.2.1 SuSE 7.3 kernel 2.4.16.
Euros to question marks.
Cheers ... Wolfi
Hi, I was really stupid once again... I overlooked that under "Message | Set Encoding" it was set to iso-8859-1... that screwed up my replies as well... resetting it to "Auto" or "iso-8859-15" did the trick, of course... Hansen On Friday 11 January 2002 09:58, wolfi wrote:
On Fri, 2002-01-11 at 08:48, Johannes Liedtke wrote: (....)
no, it hasn't really...
as I composed the msg, I typed a € and it displayed allright in the composer window. (....)
And I am seeing your Euro Sign here. Well, it must be something up with encoding and stuff. Obviously it gets
transfered, but not always. That's what it made out of my previous post:
And what about these: ???? ? These are four Euro Signs typed on my German standard OEM keyboard PS-2 cheapmost edition with Evolution 1.0 on KDE 2.2.1 SuSE 7.3 kernel 2.4.16.
Euros to question marks.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "wolfi" Friday, January 11, 2002 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [SLE] [UPDATE] Slightly baffled with the Euro symbol
to -15 and now I'm able to type an Euro (€)... but I haven't seen a single euro-sign in any of the msgs of this thread??
Well, just three lines above the line I am now writing ... There is one Euro sign in brackets. And it has survived replying at east twice:-) And what about these: €€€€ ? These are four Euro Signs typed on my German standard OEM keyboard PS-2 cheapmost edition with Evolution 1.0 on KDE 2.2.1 SuSE 7.3 kernel 2.4.16. Did I get you right, you don't see this ??!? It's somewhat corrupted in your display and gets back to normal when e.g. back on my box (after replying; in the same thread)?
On windows 98 and outlook express 5.5 I see both examples as o with four corner-dots. mvh... Morten Christensen
Johannes Liedtke schrieb:
Hmm,
now I kicked of a neat discussion about my post-scriptum, but still I have not figured out how to see a Euro-symbol (I learned it's "a euro" ;) ) in any of the msgs... I can type it in the composer and it's displayed alright, but it doesn't show anywhere in the msg-windows... :(
nobody with a helping hand out there??
Hannes
Hi Hannes, sure I help you if you help me. I can see it, but not in the (ASCII) Composer. It shows up all right in the HTML Composer, the right font used though. Try "View Codeset" ("Ansicht Zeichensatz" in my case) and select iso8859-15. In my case, it *is* selected and the euro (€) is not displayed - as now in my text composer though it is there. I have to select iso8859-1, confirm, then select iso8859-15, confirm and it's there - until I restart netscape. For the HTML composer, it is also "view codeset". Weird crap. Juergen -- =========================================== __ _ Juergen Braukmann juergen.braukmann@gmx.de| -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb@db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu | /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ===========================================_\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\
On Friday 11 January 2002 15:39, Juergen Braukmann wrote:
Johannes Liedtke schrieb:
Hmm,
now I kicked of a neat discussion about my post-scriptum, but still I have not figured out how to see a Euro-symbol (I learned it's "a euro" ;) ) in any of the msgs... I can type it in the composer and it's displayed alright, but it doesn't show anywhere in the msg-windows... :(
<snip>
sure I help you if you help me. I can see it, but not in the (ASCII) Composer. It shows up all right in the HTML Composer, the right font used though.
Try "View Codeset" ("Ansicht Zeichensatz" in my case) and select iso8859-15. In my case, it *is* selected and the euro (€) is not displayed - as now in my text composer though it is there. I have to select iso8859-1, confirm, then select iso8859-15, confirm and it's there - until I restart netscape.
thanx for your input, but I'm using KMail and have solved my problem by now... I was just totally blind... just choosing the right encoding for the view-windows did the trick, of course... but I think it's not handled in a very easy way... I had to change the encoding in 5 places now (3 of those where in KMail) to display a euro-symbol... unfortunately, I can't help you, because I don't even have Netscape installed... but I'd really urge you to use KMail and Konqueror instead of Netscape... :) Hansen -- Powered by SuSE 7.3 - KDE 2.2.1 - KMail 1.3.1 Version Info: Linux 2.4.10-4GB
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