On 12/02/10 18:38, Ed Greshko wrote:

Basil Chupin wrote:

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If you install KDE4.4 you will be pleased to know that you are now able to set *each* desktop to have its *own individual* Wallpaper! 8-) . Waahoo!

That's the *good* 'noos'.

The *bad* 'noos' is that it will take you to first attain a University degree with a major in non-creative thinking* *- otherwise known as *"fuzzy thinking"* - to be able to achieve this :-( .

DON"T attempt to do this unless you first practice on some test setup....

I have now miraculously achieved this feat 3 times (on my 6x KDE 4.4 (nee 4.3) Desktops) but I still do not quite know how I achieved this :-( .

(The whole is supposed to be quite "intuitive" - but typically only for those who bloody-well know what they are doing!

If you don't, then simply stick with KDE4.3 or earlier.)

I have 4.3 with individual wallpapers on each desktop. Yes, it wasn't straight forward...so maybe 4.4 is the same?

I cannot answer your question..... "Yes, it wasn't straight forward." The understatement of the decade, perhaps? :-D BC -- "Will the highways of the internet become more few?" George W Bush -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 12/02/10 18:56, Bob Williams wrote:

On Friday 12 Feb 2010 06:59:25 Basil Chupin wrote:

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If you install KDE4.4 you will be pleased to know that you are now able to set *each* desktop to have its *own individual* Wallpaper! 8-) . Waahoo!

That's the *good* 'noos'.

The *bad* 'noos' is that it will take you to first attain a University degree with a major in non-creative thinking* *- otherwise known as *"fuzzy thinking"* - to be able to achieve this :-( .

DON"T attempt to do this unless you first practice on some test setup....

I have now miraculously achieved this feat 3 times (on my 6x KDE 4.4 (nee 4.3) Desktops) but I still do not quite know how I achieved this :-( .

(The whole is supposed to be quite "intuitive" - but typically only for those who bloody-well know what they are doing!

If you don't, then simply stick with KDE4.3 or earlier.)

BC

How does it differ from the KDE 4.3 way of selecting a different activity for each desktop first?

Bob

Sorry, Bob, cannot answer as I could never work out how it could be done in 4.3 (even though I did try). But tomorrow, after I have had some sleep and refreshed my mind, I will set the Wallpaper for the remainder 3 Desktops so that they look like they did in KDE3 and will report on how I managed to do it (which is what Dotan also would like to know as part of trying to make it easier for NORMAL, OFF-THE-STREET, EVERYDAY, users to get it done :-) . (In the meantime, one could simply close one's eyes, left-click and right-click in a few places and, VOILA! you just might strike it lucky :-D . Intuition does not come into it. Fuzzy logic and sheer luck is what it is all about. And also being aware of what could suddenly be presented to you in SuSE/openSUSE nowadays also helps :-D .) BC -- "Will the highways of the internet become more few?" George W Bush -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 12/02/10 19:13, Dotan Cohen wrote:

On 12 February 2010 08:59, Basil Chupin wrote:

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If you install KDE4.4 you will be pleased to know that you are now able to set *each* desktop to have its *own individual* Wallpaper! 8-) . Waahoo!

That's the *good* 'noos'.

The *bad* 'noos' is that it will take you to first attain a University degree with a major in non-creative thinking* *- otherwise known as *"fuzzy thinking"* - to be able to achieve this :-( .

DON"T attempt to do this unless you first practice on some test setup....

I have now miraculously achieved this feat 3 times (on my 6x KDE 4.4 (nee 4.3) Desktops) but I still do not quite know how I achieved this :-( .

(The whole is supposed to be quite "intuitive" - but typically only for those who bloody-well know what they are doing!

If you don't, then simply stick with KDE4.3 or earlier.)

Basil, please please write in detail about your experience, including what you tired, what didn't work, and what could be improved. With your input this situation could be improved for KDE 4.5. Thanks.

See my response to Bob. Will do so tomorrow. (As the Russian adage states, "The morning is wiser than the evening." :-) ) BC -- "Will the highways of the internet become more few?" George W Bush -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 12/02/10 19:13, Dotan Cohen wrote:

On 12 February 2010 08:59, Basil Chupin wrote:

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If you install KDE4.4 you will be pleased to know that you are now able to set *each* desktop to have its *own individual* Wallpaper! 8-) . Waahoo!

That's the *good* 'noos'.

The *bad* 'noos' is that it will take you to first attain a University degree with a major in non-creative thinking* *- otherwise known as *"fuzzy thinking"* - to be able to achieve this :-( .

DON"T attempt to do this unless you first practice on some test setup....

I have now miraculously achieved this feat 3 times (on my 6x KDE 4.4 (nee 4.3) Desktops) but I still do not quite know how I achieved this :-( .

(The whole is supposed to be quite "intuitive" - but typically only for those who bloody-well know what they are doing!

If you don't, then simply stick with KDE4.3 or earlier.)

Basil, please please write in detail about your experience, including what you tired, what didn't work, and what could be improved. With your input this situation could be improved for KDE 4.5. Thanks.

Dotan, Let me start my 'tomorrow's' (which is now actually 'today's' :-) ) report on the topic by stating that just a few minutes ago there was a power failure in my suburb. The computer went down. As a result, I lost the settings for the Desktops which I spoke about in the earlier post(s). Have to start again to get the settings I set hours ago :'( . Nice. Very nice - *NOT*! And I always believed that one did not have to reboot a Linux distro - like Windows needs to be - in order to retain any (altered settings). Come to think of it, when one runs zypper and it updates/upgrades your s/ware it almost always 'tells' you that there are running apps which you may want to restart, and to use 'ps' to see what they are. Isn't that the same as stating, "Reboot system" for the changes to come into effect? (Moving towards the Windows approach by stealth....... :-( ) BC -- "Will the highways of the internet become more few?" George W Bush -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Let me start my 'tomorrow's' (which is now actually 'today's' :-) ) report on the topic by stating that just a few minutes ago there was a power failure in my suburb. The computer went down. As a result, I lost the settings for the Desktops which I spoke about in the earlier post(s). Have to start again to get the settings I set hours ago :'( .

Some KDE applications' settings are saved on logout or when closing the app. However, so far as I know Plasma settings are stored when you set them. Which settings were lost?

And I always believed that one did not have to reboot a Linux distro - like Windows needs to be - in order to retain any (altered settings).

No difference here. Applications are free to do what they choose, and to save their settings when they choose.

Come to think of it, when one runs zypper and it updates/upgrades your s/ware it almost always 'tells' you that there are running apps which you may want to restart, and to use 'ps' to see what they are.

Isn't that the same as stating, "Reboot system" for the changes to come into effect?

Pretty much. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2/12/2010 12:13 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:

On 12 February 2010 08:59, Basil Chupin wrote:

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If you install KDE4.4 you will be pleased to know that you are now able to set *each* desktop to have its *own individual* Wallpaper! 8-) . Waahoo!

That's the *good* 'noos'.

The *bad* 'noos' is that it will take you to first attain a University degree with a major in non-creative thinking* *- otherwise known as *"fuzzy thinking"* - to be able to achieve this :-( .

DON"T attempt to do this unless you first practice on some test setup....

I have now miraculously achieved this feat 3 times (on my 6x KDE 4.4 (nee 4.3) Desktops) but I still do not quite know how I achieved this :-( .

(The whole is supposed to be quite "intuitive" - but typically only for those who bloody-well know what they are doing!

If you don't, then simply stick with KDE4.3 or earlier.)

Basil, please please write in detail about your experience, including what you tired, what didn't work, and what could be improved. With your input this situation could be improved for KDE 4.5. Thanks.

Wait, after two years of this nonsense you think it can be improved? It was suggested many many times to simply toss out this idea of activities and go back to allowing wallpapers on desktops as is done in ever other linux desktop manager. What makes you think the developers will listen NOW when they haven't paid a bit of attention for the last 4 releases? Dotan, your capacity for self delusion amazes me. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 00:01:58 on Saturday Saturday 13 February 2010, John Andersen wrote:

On 2/12/2010 12:13 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:

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On 12 February 2010 08:59, Basil Chupin wrote:

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If you install KDE4.4 you will be pleased to know that you are now able to set *each* desktop to have its *own individual* Wallpaper! 8-) . Waahoo!

That's the *good* 'noos'.

The *bad* 'noos' is that it will take you to first attain a University degree with a major in non-creative thinking* *- otherwise known as *"fuzzy thinking"* - to be able to achieve this :-( .

DON"T attempt to do this unless you first practice on some test setup....

I have now miraculously achieved this feat 3 times (on my 6x KDE 4.4 (nee 4.3) Desktops) but I still do not quite know how I achieved this :-( .

(The whole is supposed to be quite "intuitive" - but typically only for those who bloody-well know what they are doing!

If you don't, then simply stick with KDE4.3 or earlier.)

Basil, please please write in detail about your experience, including what you tired, what didn't work, and what could be improved. With your input this situation could be improved for KDE 4.5. Thanks.

Wait, after two years of this nonsense you think it can be improved?

It was suggested many many times to simply toss out this idea of activities and go back to allowing wallpapers on desktops as is done in ever other linux desktop manager.

What makes you think the developers will listen NOW when they haven't paid a bit of attention for the last 4 releases?

Dotan, your capacity for self delusion amazes me.

Out of curiosity... Does Novell ship kde4 with their enterprise product? If so, have paying customers rebelled? Or do most of them just ignore it and straightaway install Gnome? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 14/02/10 18:16, Dotan Cohen wrote:

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Basil, please please write in detail about your experience, including what you tired, what didn't work, and what could be improved. With your input this situation could be improved for KDE 4.5. Thanks.

Wait, after two years of this nonsense you think it can be improved?

It is being improved all the time.

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Dotan, your capacity for self delusion amazes me.

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You capacity for insulting those who try to help you amaze me.

Dotan, you are doing what some others are/have been doing when replying to posts: who the hell *ARE *you replying to? Who wrote the post you are replying to? Why can't your mail client show the original poster so that one can see who said what to whom? BC -- "If it weren't for electricity we'd be all watching televion by candlelight." George Gobel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 14/02/10 19:00, C wrote:

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 08:52, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Dotan, you are doing what some others are/have been doing when replying to posts: who the hell *ARE *you replying to?

Who wrote the post you are replying to? Why can't your mail client show the original poster so that one can see who said what to whom?

He was replying to John Anderson's email of 12 February.

It' s probably not a mail client problem so much as aggressive pruning. I've been asked to stop pruning so heavy myself here, and now I make an effort to retain the "who" part o the emails when I prune and chop for a reply.

C.

Nah, it's the mail client not being configured correctly. The only "message cop" who is always complaining about not pruning posts is Patrick, but his complaints have never mentioned the beginning of a reply which shows who the poster being replied to is. (I did mention you in one of my 'complaining' posts about this as you would remember :-) - but you have since reconfigured your mail client, as you can see above.) BC -- "If it weren't for electricity we'd be all watching televion by candlelight." George Gobel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

C wrote:

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 09:50, Basil Chupin wrote:

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(I did mention you in one of my 'complaining' posts about this as you would remember :-) - but you have since reconfigured your mail client, as you can see above.)

Nope, no reconfiguring at all... I simply am more careful with pruning posts.. as in I don't strip off the On <date>, and I delete the posters email address. It's all a manual process in Gmail... prob one of the worst email clients for mailing lists... but since i travel a lot, it's convenient for me.

You may want to consider using TBird or another real email client and IMAP to your gmail account.... -- Reappraisal, n.: An abrupt change of mind after being found out. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

C wrote:

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:43, Ed Greshko wrote:

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Nope, no reconfiguring at all... I simply am more careful with pruning posts.. as in I don't strip off the On <date>, and I delete the posters email address. It's all a manual process in Gmail... prob one of the worst email clients for mailing lists... but since i travel a lot, it's convenient for me.

You may want to consider using TBird or another real email client and IMAP to your gmail account....

I don't have convenient access to TBird all the time. When I'm on the road... when I'm traveling in Africa, I have Internet cafes if I'm lucky and the GMail web interface is the best balance. I can live with paying attention while trimming, and remembering to fix the To address with every reply I send.

I could use TBird while at home, but... TBird is already in use for my work email, and it receives/manages several hundred emails per day as it is... and I can shut it off on the weekends and evenings :-)

Ooos.. this got off on a tangent and is far away from the original thread... :-P

Sure has.... :-) And it also points out that not everyone carries a notebook with them when they travel. Something I shouldn't have assume.... :-( -- Where's the man could ease a heart Like a satin gown? -- Dorothy Parker, "The Satin Dress" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 14/02/10 21:38, C wrote:

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 09:50, Basil Chupin wrote:

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(I did mention you in one of my 'complaining' posts about this as you would remember :-) - but you have since reconfigured your mail client, as you can see above.)

Nope, no reconfiguring at all... I simply am more careful with pruning posts.. as in I don't strip off the On <date>, and I delete the posters email address. It's all a manual process in Gmail... prob one of the worst email clients for mailing lists... but since i travel a lot, it's convenient for me.

C.

Aaaaah.. "The old 'gmail' trick, eh Chief?" Sheesh, MS and Google have a LOT to answer for! BC -- "If it weren't for electricity we'd be all watching televion by candlelight." George Gobel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 15/02/10 00:40, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [02-14-10 03:54]:

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The only "message cop" who is always complaining about not pruning posts is Patrick, but his complaints have never mentioned the beginning of a reply which shows who the poster being replied to is.

It's ok, Basil. We realize that you are socially challenged.

Maybe other ways also, cannot see msg hdrs???

Very severely LOL! You're a gem, Patrick! :-D BC -- "If it weren't for electricity we'd be all watching televion by candlelight." George Gobel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 14/02/10 19:02, Dotan Cohen wrote:

On 14 February 2010 09:52, Basil Chupin <> wrote:

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Dotan, you are doing what some others are/have been doing when replying to posts: who the hell *ARE *you replying to?

Who wrote the post you are replying to? Why can't your mail client show the original poster so that one can see who said what to whom?

Some people have complained about posting with their email addresses intact. I was too lazy to just edit the email address, so I removed the entire credit line. I'll not be lazy in the future.

Ce`? The only complaints I have read (besides my own complaints :-) re above) is about over-long SIGNATURES (taglines) at the end of posts. The complaint about over-long taglines/signatures goes way to when the Usenet and AARNet started and Fidonet began. In Fidonet, each Sysop who ran a BBS had to pay out of his own pocket the 'phone call charges to collect the 'mail' for his/her BBS (Bulletin Board Service). In many cases this involved making long-distance telephone calls and calls often involved calling an oversea BBS "distribution" BBS. Such costs where not insignificant - I can tell you! (I ran 3 BBSs.) The messages - depending on the system - were transmitted "as they were", and the fastest modems at around that time ranged from, say, 300bps to 9600bps. Picking up a MB worth of messages at these speeds, and paying long distance call charges, was not a lot of fun. Having messages posted by users of BBS which contained unnecessary crap were not taken kindly by a Sysop (who paid the 'phone charges), and the Fidonet "ethical" rules re messages also covered this aspect of posting messages: do not have stooopid, long-winded, signature/taglines and always pruned your messages to only quote what you were replying to. These rules have been now carried over by the 'oldies' to what is happening on the Internet. Personally I do not have any problems with this because a waste of resources (by clogging up a system) is a waste of resources. And someone has to pay for the wasted resources...... BUT, not having the name of the poster at the start of a message to which one is replying is simply just a NO-NO. Simply, "Just not cricket, ol' boy!" :-) BC -- "If it weren't for electricity we'd be all watching televion by candlelight." George Gobel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 14/02/10 21:48, Dotan Cohen wrote:

On 14 February 2010 11:25, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Some people have complained about posting with their email addresses intact. I was too lazy to just edit the email address, so I removed the entire credit line. I'll not be lazy in the future.

Ce`?

The only complaints I have read (besides my own complaints :-) Â re above) is about over-long SIGNATURES (taglines) at the end of posts.

It might have been on another list.

Nope. Here, which is Patrick's most favourite haunting grounds :-D BC -- "If it weren't for electricity we'd be all watching televion by candlelight." George Gobel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 15/02/10 00:43, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [02-14-10 06:43]:

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Nope. Here, which is Patrick's most favourite haunting grounds :-D

That's two, care for a hat-trick?

And why not, I say? BC -- "If it weren't for electricity we'd be all watching televion by candlelight." George Gobel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 12/02/10 19:13, Dotan Cohen wrote:

On 12 February 2010 08:59, Basil Chupin wrote:

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If you install KDE4.4 you will be pleased to know that you are now able to set *each* desktop to have its *own individual* Wallpaper! 8-) . Waahoo!

That's the *good* 'noos'.

The *bad* 'noos' is that it will take you to first attain a University degree with a major in non-creative thinking* *- otherwise known as *"fuzzy thinking"* - to be able to achieve this :-( .

DON"T attempt to do this unless you first practice on some test setup....

I have now miraculously achieved this feat 3 times (on my 6x KDE 4.4 (nee 4.3) Desktops) but I still do not quite know how I achieved this :-( .

(The whole is supposed to be quite "intuitive" - but typically only for those who bloody-well know what they are doing!

If you don't, then simply stick with KDE4.3 or earlier.)

Basil, please please write in detail about your experience, including what you tired, what didn't work, and what could be improved. With your input this situation could be improved for KDE 4.5. Thanks.

OK, here it is. As you may remember back in KDE3 one right-clicked (R-C) on a desktop, selected Configure Desktop then selected in that menu each of your desktops one by one (if you had more than one - I have 6) and applied a separate Wallpaper of your choice to each desktop. You then clicked on OK (or was that Apply/OK?), the menu would close and each desktop now had a different wallpaper. In KDE44 you need to select a desktop showing in the Taskbar (bottom lefthand). Then you: * R-C on the desktop * left-click (L-C) on Desktop Activity Setting * select and apply a wallpaper to this desktop However, if this desktop is not the first one you started with (before you created your additional desktops) you will not have any icons for the applications you would normally run. To create those icons: * R-C on the desktop * L-C on Unlock Widgets * R-C and select on the menu Add Widgets * L-C on this and you will get at the BOTTOM of the screen a bank of icons showing the widgets which are available * find and DOUBLE L-C on the icon showing Desktop Folder - the Folder will appear on your desktop; but this folder will contain a representation of what you would see in Dolphin - which is not what you want * to get what you had in KDE3 you need to get the sidebar-menu for the folder by placing the cursor on the folder; then * L-C on the "spanner" in the sidebar-menu * from the menu which comes up, L-C on the Show Desktop Folder and the folder will change to what you had in KDE; however * this menu you have in front of you will, most likely, have the bottom covered by the band of widgets (at the bottom of you screen) - and the bottom of the menu has the OK button which you need to click on to "get it all together"[1] * L-C and HOLD on the top of the menu and drag it upwards to expose the OK button; click on OK and the bottom band of widgets will disappear and so will the menu * now you need to adjust the size of the Folder on the desktop or reposition if you want to * once this is done, R-C on the desktop and select Lock Widgets Done. Now, you need to do all this for each and every desktop you have created. Once you've done this several times it all becomes a piece of cake! :-) BC -- "Will the highways of the internet become more few?" George W Bush -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

OK, here it is.

Thanks!

As you may remember back in KDE3 one right-clicked (R-C) on a desktop, selected Configure Desktop then selected in that menu each of your desktops one by one (if you had more than one - I have 6) and applied a separate Wallpaper of your choice to each desktop. You then clicked on OK (or was that Apply/OK?), the menu would close and each desktop now had a different wallpaper.

In KDE44 you need to select a desktop showing in the Taskbar (bottom lefthand). Then you:

* R-C on the desktop

* left-click (L-C) on Desktop Activity Setting

* select and apply a wallpaper to this desktop

However, if this desktop is not the first one you started with (before you created your additional desktops) you will not have any icons for the applications you would normally run. To create those icons:

* R-C on the desktop

* L-C on Unlock Widgets

* R-C and select on the menu Add Widgets

* L-C on this and you will get at the BOTTOM of the screen a bank of icons showing the widgets which are available

* find and DOUBLE L-C on the icon showing Desktop Folder - the Folder will appear on your desktop; but this folder will contain a representation of what you would see in Dolphin - which is not what you want

* to get what you had in KDE3 you need to get the sidebar-menu for the folder by placing the cursor on the folder; then

* L-C on the "spanner" in the sidebar-menu

* from the menu which comes up, L-C on the Show Desktop Folder and the folder will change to what you had in KDE; however

* this menu you have in front of you will, most likely, have the bottom covered by the band of widgets (at the bottom of you screen) - and the bottom of the menu has the OK button which you need to click on to "get it all together"[1]

* L-C and HOLD on the top of the menu and drag it upwards to expose the OK button; click on OK and the bottom band of widgets will disappear and so will the menu

* now you need to adjust the size of the Folder on the desktop or reposition if you want to

* once this is done, R-C on the desktop and select Lock Widgets

Done.

Now, you need to do all this for each and every desktop you have created.

Once you've done this several times it all becomes a piece of cake! :-)

Instead of dragging the Desktop Folder widget across the whole deskto, you could get KDE 3 behaviour in KDE 4 with R-C on Desktop -> Activity -> Type: "Folder View" I see two issues: 1) In KDE 3, one did not have to switch to each desktop to change it's settings. In KDE 4, only the active desktop can be set. Please comment on this bug and add a screenshot of the KDE 3 settings dialogue showing the ability to switch desktops: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226760 2) You are confusing Desktops with Activities and rightfully so. The whole Activities thing was a mess. It really is a great idea for people who ignore desktops and use only Activities, but for those who are familiar with Desktops it gets confusing fast. Only one or the other should have been incorporated into KDE 4. Now the good news: Activities are likely to be dropped for KDE 4.5. the whole thing is being cleaned up. Do you give me permission to use your prior mail verbatim in order to make arguments? Can I contact you in the future? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Basil Chupin [02-14-10 02:59]:

Yep.

Ah Basil, 97 lines of quote for a three letter response after your rampage about long distance charges and "old-time" users. Pure hipocricy! message cop/rocket man -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin wrote:

On 12/02/10 19:13, Dotan Cohen wrote:

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On 12 February 2010 08:59, Basil Chupin wrote:

...

If you install KDE4.4 you will be pleased to know that you are now able to set *each* desktop to have its *own individual* Wallpaper! 8-) . Waahoo!

That's the *good* 'noos'.

The *bad* 'noos' is that it will take you to first attain a University degree with a major in non-creative thinking* *- otherwise known as *"fuzzy thinking"* - to be able to achieve this :-( .

DON"T attempt to do this unless you first practice on some test setup....

I have now miraculously achieved this feat 3 times (on my 6x KDE 4.4 (nee 4.3) Desktops) but I still do not quite know how I achieved this :-( .

(The whole is supposed to be quite "intuitive" - but typically only for those who bloody-well know what they are doing!

If you don't, then simply stick with KDE4.3 or earlier.)

Basil, please please write in detail about your experience, including what you tired, what didn't work, and what could be improved. With your input this situation could be improved for KDE 4.5. Thanks.

OK, here it is.

As you may remember back in KDE3 one right-clicked (R-C) on a desktop, selected Configure Desktop then selected in that menu each of your desktops one by one (if you had more than one - I have 6) and applied a separate Wallpaper of your choice to each desktop. You then clicked on OK (or was that Apply/OK?), the menu would close and each desktop now had a different wallpaper.

In KDE44 you need to select a desktop showing in the Taskbar (bottom lefthand). Then you:

* R-C on the desktop

* left-click (L-C) on Desktop Activity Setting

* select and apply a wallpaper to this desktop

However, if this desktop is not the first one you started with (before you created your additional desktops) you will not have any icons for the applications you would normally run. To create those icons:

* R-C on the desktop

* L-C on Unlock Widgets

* R-C and select on the menu Add Widgets

* L-C on this and you will get at the BOTTOM of the screen a bank of icons showing the widgets which are available

* find and DOUBLE L-C on the icon showing Desktop Folder - the Folder will appear on your desktop; but this folder will contain a representation of what you would see in Dolphin - which is not what you want

* to get what you had in KDE3 you need to get the sidebar-menu for the folder by placing the cursor on the folder; then

* L-C on the "spanner" in the sidebar-menu

* from the menu which comes up, L-C on the Show Desktop Folder and the folder will change to what you had in KDE; however

* this menu you have in front of you will, most likely, have the bottom covered by the band of widgets (at the bottom of you screen) - and the bottom of the menu has the OK button which you need to click on to "get it all together"[1]

* L-C and HOLD on the top of the menu and drag it upwards to expose the OK button; click on OK and the bottom band of widgets will disappear and so will the menu

* now you need to adjust the size of the Folder on the desktop or reposition if you want to

* once this is done, R-C on the desktop and select Lock Widgets

Done.

Now, you need to do all this for each and every desktop you have created.

Once you've done this several times it all becomes a piece of cake! :-)

I know I should trim....but I wanted to illustrate that there is an alternative method that is much easier....but still maybe more time consuming than should be? 1. R-C on the Pager and pick "Pager Settings". 2. Pick "Configure Desktops" 3. Pick "Different activity for each desktop" 4. OK, OK 5. Proceed to configure each desktop as you wish with individual wallpapers and widgets. Ed P.S. It is possible that I've explained a process that isn't in line with what you've outlined. It was too complicated for me to parse. :-) :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 14 February 2010 05:46:23 Basil Chupin wrote:

On 14/02/10 21:41, Ed Greshko wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 12/02/10 19:13, Dotan Cohen wrote:

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On 12 February 2010 08:59, Basil Chupin wrote:

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If you install KDE4.4 you will be pleased to know that you are now able to set *each* desktop to have its *own individual* Wallpaper! 8-) . Waahoo!

That's the *good* 'noos'.

The *bad* 'noos' is that it will take you to first attain a University degree with a major in non-creative thinking* *- otherwise known as *"fuzzy thinking"* - to be able to achieve this :-( .

DON"T attempt to do this unless you first practice on some test setup....

I have now miraculously achieved this feat 3 times (on my 6x KDE 4.4 (nee 4.3) Desktops) but I still do not quite know how I achieved this :-( .

(The whole is supposed to be quite "intuitive" - but typically only for those who bloody-well know what they are doing!

If you don't, then simply stick with KDE4.3 or earlier.)

Basil, please please write in detail about your experience, including what you tired, what didn't work, and what could be improved. With your input this situation could be improved for KDE 4.5. Thanks.

OK, here it is.

As you may remember back in KDE3 one right-clicked (R-C) on a desktop, selected Configure Desktop then selected in that menu each of your desktops one by one (if you had more than one - I have 6) and applied a separate Wallpaper of your choice to each desktop. You then clicked on OK (or was that Apply/OK?), the menu would close and each desktop now had a different wallpaper.

In KDE44 you need to select a desktop showing in the Taskbar (bottom lefthand). Then you:

* R-C on the desktop

* left-click (L-C) on Desktop Activity Setting

* select and apply a wallpaper to this desktop

However, if this desktop is not the first one you started with (before you created your additional desktops) you will not have any icons for the applications you would normally run. To create those icons:

* R-C on the desktop

* L-C on Unlock Widgets

* R-C and select on the menu Add Widgets

* L-C on this and you will get at the BOTTOM of the screen a bank of icons showing the widgets which are available

* find and DOUBLE L-C on the icon showing Desktop Folder - the Folder will appear on your desktop; but this folder will contain a representation of what you would see in Dolphin - which is not what you want

* to get what you had in KDE3 you need to get the sidebar-menu for the folder by placing the cursor on the folder; then

* L-C on the "spanner" in the sidebar-menu

* from the menu which comes up, L-C on the Show Desktop Folder and the folder will change to what you had in KDE; however

* this menu you have in front of you will, most likely, have the bottom covered by the band of widgets (at the bottom of you screen) - and the bottom of the menu has the OK button which you need to click on to "get it all together"[1]

* L-C and HOLD on the top of the menu and drag it upwards to expose the OK button; click on OK and the bottom band of widgets will disappear and so will the menu

* now you need to adjust the size of the Folder on the desktop or reposition if you want to

* once this is done, R-C on the desktop and select Lock Widgets

Done.

Now, you need to do all this for each and every desktop you have created.

Once you've done this several times it all becomes a piece of cake! :-)

I know I should trim....but I wanted to illustrate that there is an alternative method that is much easier....but still maybe more time consuming than should be?

1. R-C on the Pager and pick "Pager Settings".

2. Pick "Configure Desktops"

3. Pick "Different activity for each desktop"

4. OK, OK

5. Proceed to configure each desktop as you wish with individual wallpapers and widgets.

Ed

P.S. It is possible that I've explained a process that isn't in line with what you've outlined. It was too complicated for me to parse. :-) :-)

No doubt you may very well be correct. All I was relating what worked for me.

I will try the next time what you just suggested - and others could also try, of course.

But the least that you and I have done is to make people aware that having different wallpapers for each desktop is possible to achieve after KDE3.

Well limit the target group to those: - that didn't read previously published information on the topic, and - looking for "WARNING!" +"Good News!", to fix software problem, - use Google (Yahoo has 1st result on a 3rd page) Both terms are more often associated with anything, but software.

(All we now have to do is to wait for all the accolades and the $$$ contributions to roll in! :-D )

BC

:) And a good news is, I finally decided that the best way to answer emails is to adjust style to the email I'm answering to. When one makes me scroll long to find "+1", "yes", "no" at the end, why should I disturb that. Developing muscles in a index finger is for some the only physical activity they get, why should I prevent that? I can add couple of paragraphs of related thoughts to make reading interesting and next quote longer. Maybe adding some space to make clear distinction between paragraphs, or think of minor related excerpts from "War and Peace" from Tolstoy, as courtesy. Maybe not "War and Peace", it will be hard to find related stuff; you know how big it is. If someone messes quotes answering in a different way then previous emails, what can I do, adjust to the style and answer the same way. Unconventional interpretation of the "same way" as a "difference" to other posts, should not disturb anyone. When someone doesn't find conventions as satisfactory solution, why make him unhappy applying conventional way to communicate. Expected is boring, give some guesswork to those gray cells. It helps against senility. :) Have a fun. -- Regards Rajko, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org