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Clint Tinsley

4 Jan 2006 4 Jan '06

13:34

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On Tuesday 03 January 2006 03:57 pm, Scott Jones wrote:

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Perhaps it was the first Novell release you used, however it was not the first release under the Novell banner. Novell purchased SUSE in January 2004, and the first Novell-branded SUSE release was 9.1 (http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2004/suse_archive/91.html).

Nope: My boxed set of 9.1 does not mention Novell at all. My 9.3 boxed set says Novell right on the box.

9.1 was already "In the can" and sent to duplication when the SuSE sale went down.

9.2 also has Novell on the box. Hope this ends the discussion.

9.1 was sold by Novell, 9.2 and later were branded by Novell.

Footnote to all this. I just logged into my SuSE 10 box and realized that Novell is not even on the login screen and it is only shown as a "A Novell Business" on the default wallpaper. And you all know what Novell did to WordPerfect after it bought it, took what it wanted (groupwise), and sold off what was left to Corel.

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Jan van Kollenburg

4 Jan 4 Jan

13:47

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2006/1/4, Clint Tinsley :

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Perhaps it was the first Novell release you used, however it was not

On Tuesday 03 January 2006 03:57 pm, Scott Jones wrote: the

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first release under the Novell banner. Novell purchased SUSE in January 2004, and the first Novell-branded SUSE release was 9.1 (http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2004/suse_archive/91.html ).

Nope: My boxed set of 9.1 does not mention Novell at all. My 9.3 boxed set says Novell right on the box.

9.1 was already "In the can" and sent to duplication when the SuSE sale went down.

9.2 also has Novell on the box. Hope this ends the discussion.

9.1 was sold by Novell, 9.2 and later were branded by Novell.

Footnote to all this. I just logged into my SuSE 10 box and realized that Novell is not even on the login screen and it is only shown as a "A Novell Business" on the default wallpaper. And you all know what Novell did to WordPerfect after it bought it, took what it wanted (groupwise), and sold off what was left to Corel.

That will NOT happen this time, because: - Novell has announced to not make Netware suitable anymore for the 64 bit processors, but only as a virtual machine on SUSE. - Thereby SUSE becomes the core of the Novell business. You might say that this time Novell is dropping Netware. They are certainly not dropping SUSE. SUSE has become the successor of Netware.

Jerry Feldman

14:15

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On Wednesday 04 January 2006 8:47 am, Jan van Kollenburg wrote:

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That will NOT happen this time, because: - Novell has announced to not make Netware suitable anymore for the 64 bit processors, but only as a virtual machine on SUSE. - Thereby SUSE becomes the core of the Novell business.

You might say that this time Novell is dropping Netware. They are certainly not dropping SUSE. SUSE has become the successor of Netware. One of the more recent issues has been the choice of desktops. While neither KDE nor GNOME is going away, Novell also owns Ximian. Executives at Novell have stated that KDE will remain the default desktop for SuSE xx (eg. SuSE 10.0, etc), but GNOME will become the default desktop for SuSE Enterprise Linux. Both are very good desktops, and certainly Window Maker, ICEWM, and other window managers will remain. Personally, I would like to see both GNOME and KDE continue to be improved as well as the X Window system. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9

Peter Van Lone

14:18

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On 1/4/06, Jan van Kollenburg wrote:

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2006/1/4, Clint Tinsley :

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Footnote to all this. I just logged into my SuSE 10 box and realized that Novell is not even on the login screen and it is only shown as a "A Novell Business" on the default wallpaper. And you all know what Novell did to WordPerfect after it bought it, took what it wanted (groupwise), and sold off what was left to Corel.

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That will NOT happen this time, because: - Novell has announced to not make Netware suitable anymore for the 64 bit processors, but only as a virtual machine on SUSE. - Thereby SUSE becomes the core of the Novell business.

You might say that this time Novell is dropping Netware. They are certainly not dropping SUSE. SUSE has become the successor of Netware.

I don't think it could be any more clear. Netware is effectively dead. Nobody inside Novell (except a sales rep that senses commision) wants to talk about "netware" ever. Some do still wish (as do I) that the core "NCP" services were going to continue, and that is what OES (linux) is about. Time will tell whether this will gain any legs. Personally, I think that netware and NSS and NCP should be open sourced as legacy .... THEN we would see more and more places hanging on to or even newly adopting some of this technology. SUSE it is, going forward. Peter

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