Linux DTP - PageStream update
Hi all,
Here is some more good news about the premier desktop publishing program
being ported to Linux x86. Looks like they are running a very nice
sale on it, which I hope will bring them many new customers. I have
used PageStream for the Amiga for many years and find it comparable too
or exceeding anything on the market today. I am certain the Linux
version will be a higher standard in DTP as well. Feel free to pass
the message to anyone or group you feel might be interested.
Patrick
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Subject: PageStream March Madness
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:35 EST
From: PageStream Sales
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 09:27:55PM -0500 or thereabouts, O'Smith wrote:
Hi all, Here is some more good news about the premier desktop publishing program
.......... deleted 103 lines............ And your reason for spamming this list? Congrats... you just made top billing in the bit-bucket. Gary
On Tuesday 25 March 2003 04:18, gary wrote:
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 09:27:55PM -0500 or thereabouts, O'Smith wrote:
Hi all, Here is some more good news about the premier desktop publishing program
.......... deleted 103 lines............
And your reason for spamming this list?
That wasn't spam, spam is mass mailing. A single mail cannot be spam. Off Topic maybe, but not spam.
On Monday 24 March 2003 10:34 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Tuesday 25 March 2003 04:18, gary wrote:
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 09:27:55PM -0500 or thereabouts, O'Smith wrote:
Hi all, Here is some more good news about the premier desktop publishing program
.......... deleted 103 lines............
And your reason for spamming this list?
That wasn't spam, spam is mass mailing. A single mail cannot be spam. Off Topic maybe, but not spam. =================
Yes, Gary, I should have probably listed it as OT, but failed to do so, probably because I had posted info about it earlier, notice the "update" in the title. If it is of no interest to you, then by all means use your delete key, but I suspect there are many here that have been interested in DTP for sometime. One of those things us Linux users were missing and something it needs to help establish it's position on the desktop. Bringing newsworthy info about new, important Linux programs to the attention of others is hardly spamming I think. Patrick -- --- KMail v1.5 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.1 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 11:31:46PM -0500 or thereabouts, O'Smith wrote:
On Monday 24 March 2003 10:34 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Tuesday 25 March 2003 04:18, gary wrote:
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 09:27:55PM -0500 or thereabouts, O'Smith wrote:
Hi all, Here is some more good news about the premier desktop publishing program .......... deleted 103 lines............ And your reason for spamming this list? That wasn't spam, spam is mass mailing. A single mail cannot be spam. Off Topic maybe, but not spam.
Hi Anders, rather then belabor the point, suffice to say, yes, a single mail can be spam... If a spammer just sends one spam to any list, say this list... which is composed of what, 4000 members at any given time... or any list, some have 1000s of people on them, and that one spam is seen/sent to 1000s of people on that list, according to your definition of spam, that is not spam, yet 1000s of people have seen it. Anyone sending spam to a list is mass mailing.
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Yes, Gary, I should have probably listed it as OT, but failed to do so, probably because I had posted info about it earlier, notice the means use your delete key, but I suspect there are many here that have been interested in DTP for sometime.
As I do with just about anything *nux.
One of those things us Linux users were missing and something it needs to help establish it's position on the desktop. Bringing newsworthy info about new, important Linux programs to the attention of others is hardly spamming I think.
Yes, I agree with you regarding the desktop... Perhaps a link would have been better than just supplying the entire email which contained mostly superfluous info... Suffice to say, thanks for replying Patrick.. Incidentally, I do a lot of desktop publishing <g> -- Gary
On Tuesday 25 March 2003 05:50, gary wrote:
Hi Anders, rather then belabor the point, suffice to say, yes, a single mail can be spam... If a spammer just sends one spam to any list, say this list... which is composed of what, 4000 members at any given time... or any list, some have 1000s of people on them, and that one spam is seen/sent to 1000s of people on that list, according to your definition of spam, that is not spam, yet 1000s of people have seen it. Anyone sending spam to a list is mass mailing.
<dict spam> 4. To bombard a newsgroup with multiple copies of a message. This is more specifically called `EMP', Excessive Multi-Posting. 5. To mass-mail unrequested identical or nearly-identical email messages, particularly those containing advertising. Especially used when the mail addresses have been culled from network traffic or databases without the consent of the recipients. Synonyms include {UCE}, {UBE}. </dict> Your definition of spam comes dangerously close to including every single mail on a mailing list. I would say (possibly multiple) unwarranted advertising by an unidentified (unidentifiable) person, not a single mail by a list regular. I say "possibly multiple", because I wouldn't call a single mail from, say, The Kompany announcing a new product spam. Multiple such mails would fall in that category.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 05:59:14AM +0100 or thereabouts, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Tuesday 25 March 2003 05:50, gary wrote:
Hi Anders, rather then belabor the point, suffice to say, yes, a single mail can be spam... If a spammer just sends one spam to any list, say this list... which is composed of what, 4000 members at any given time... or any list, some have 1000s of people on them, and that one spam is seen/sent to 1000s of people on that list, according to your definition of spam, that is not spam, yet 1000s of people have seen it. Anyone sending spam to a list is mass mailing.
<dict spam> recipients. Synonyms include {UCE}, {UBE}. </dict>
Your definition of spam comes dangerously close to including every single mail on a mailing list.
hardly.
I say "possibly multiple", because I wouldn't call a single mail from, say, The Kompany announcing a new product spam. Multiple such mails would fall in that category.
Well if I received any announcement from the Kompany, at this particular time, regarding a new product, I would consider it spam. Why, in order to receive "announcements," I would have to opt-in to get that info.. If I opted to receive that info, yes, I agree with you, it would not be spam ... the difference here is an opt-in option. I do not opt-in for the Kompany, so any received mail from them would be considered unsolicited spam, and I would block their IP addresses in my own rblsmtp or DNS blacklist. -- Gary
On Tuesday 25 March 2003 06:46, gary wrote:
<dict spam> recipients. Synonyms include {UCE}, {UBE}. </dict>
Interesting and very unethical snip. I did *not* write that, so please don't claim that I did. If you snip things out of the middle of things I write, make clear what you snip
Your definition of spam comes dangerously close to including every single mail on a mailing list.
hardly.
Saying it won't make it so. You haven't opted in to mail from me either, so is this spam?
I say "possibly multiple", because I wouldn't call a single mail from, say, The Kompany announcing a new product spam. Multiple such mails would fall in that category.
Well if I received any announcement from the Kompany, at this particular time, regarding a new product, I would consider it spam.
Cheshire cat. You can call it spam but it's not the accepted definition.
Why, in order to receive "announcements," I would have to opt-in to get that info.. If I opted to receive that info, yes, I agree with you, it would not be spam ... the difference here is an opt-in option.
No, the issue here is the definition of spam. A single mail from a representative of the kompany would be off topic and possibly wrong (though informative), but it wouldn't be spam. also, opt-in refers to mail sent directly to you, not through mailing lists you voluntarily signed up to.
I do not opt-in for the Kompany, so any received mail from them would be considered unsolicited spam, and I would block their IP addresses in my own rblsmtp or DNS blacklist.
That is your option, but I'm not sure how that would help, considering that mail coming to you through SLE is sent from lists.suse.com, so blocking the kompany's IP would achieve exactly nothing.
On Monday 24 March 2003 11:31 pm, Patrick wrote:
I suspect there are many here that have been interested in DTP for sometime. One of those things us Linux users were missing and something it needs to help establish it's position on the desktop. Bringing newsworthy info about new, important Linux programs to the attention of others is hardly spamming I think.
I agree. I for one have been very interested in this since first hearing about it on this list. Some people like to call any topic they personally are not interested in "spam." They purposely use the word spam to make it sound like the person posting it did something terrible. Well, I am confident most people here have enough sense to recognize whether any given post is spam or not. *************************************** Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.1 KDE 2.2.1 Kmail 1.3.1 Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net ***************************************
On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 19:34, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Tuesday 25 March 2003 04:18, gary wrote:
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 09:27:55PM -0500 or thereabouts, O'Smith wrote:
Hi all, Here is some more good news about the premier desktop publishing program
.......... deleted 103 lines............
And your reason for spamming this list?
That wasn't spam, spam is mass mailing. A single mail cannot be spam. Off Topic maybe, but not spam.
Exactly. Actually saw someone post this not so long ago, but I personally have no need for a DTP program, but thats just my needs. And something like this doesn't always get reported. Actually remember when some mentioned games on here a couple or so years ago, and quite a few jumped up with surprise :). So going OT is good in that sense. Matt
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