[opensuse] HP only prints on HP paper
I have a deskjet F2280. Normal photocopy paper works fine. To get high quality prints, I have to use HP paper. It will not feed any other (I have tried kodak and epson which I'd like to use). Printer setup by yast. OS 11.2 with KDE 3.4.5 Is there any way I can fool it into thinking it's HP paper? Thanks L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 29/01/10 10:39, lynn wrote:
To get high quality prints, I have to use HP paper. It will not feed any other
I doubt that vendor lock-in has gone that far, there must be another problem in your printer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 14:39:59 PM +0100, lynn (lynn@steve-ss.com) wrote:
I have a deskjet F2280. Normal photocopy paper works fine. To get high quality prints, I have to use HP paper. It will not feed any other (I have tried kodak and epson which I'd like to use). Printer setup by yast. OS 11.2 with KDE 3.4.5 Is there any way I can fool it into thinking it's HP paper?
Sorry, I have no technical advice, but I would really like to have a confirmation about this: you are saying that the printer doesn't simply print bad, but that it physically refuses to take in other brands of paper? And is this documented somewhere online? I couldn't find any confirmation myself, but I would really like to know for sure (especially now that I'd need to buy a new printer...) TIA, Marco -- Enough with this "Free Software is communist" myth! Please! http://stop.zona-m.net/it/node/87 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 29 January 2010 14:39:59 lynn wrote:
I have a deskjet F2280. Normal photocopy paper works fine.
To get high quality prints, I have to use HP paper. It will not feed any other (I have tried kodak and epson which I'd like to use).
Printer setup by yast. OS 11.2 with KDE 3.4.5
Is there any way I can fool it into thinking it's HP paper?
Thanks L x
I couldn't find any confirmation myself, but I would really like to know for sure (especially now that I'd need to buy a new printer...) TIA, Marco The quality of the print with hp photo paper is excellent. It will not however feed any other brand of photo paper. THanks. L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 08:56:09 AM +0100, lynn (lynn@steve-ss.com) wrote:
The quality of the print with hp photo paper is excellent.
Lynn, thanks for the prompt answer, however my question was slightly different. What you say above is clear, but what I'm really looking for is some official source (press release, online HP manual, something like that) that explicitly says that this:
It will not however feed any other brand of photo paper.
is a "feature" of that printer. I'm asking not because I don't trust you, but because such sources would be important if one wanted to complain with consumer associations and similar. TIA, Marco -- OOo4Kids, the office suite for all children... and their parents: http://stop.zona-m.net/node/42 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 01/02/10 19:05, M. Fioretti wrote:
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 08:56:09 AM +0100, lynn (lynn@steve-ss.com) wrote:
The quality of the print with hp photo paper is excellent.
Lynn,
thanks for the prompt answer, however my question was slightly different. What you say above is clear, but what I'm really looking for is some official source (press release, online HP manual, something like that) that explicitly says that this:
It will not however feed any other brand of photo paper.
is a "feature" of that printer. I'm asking not because I don't trust you, but because such sources would be important if one wanted to complain with consumer associations and similar.
TIA, Marco
Why don't you go to the Hewlett Packard website and download the Full User Manual for the printer. It's all there if you bother to read it properly. BC -- "Christians have only one spouse. This is called monotony." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 19:36:03 PM +1100, Basil Chupin (blchupin@iinet.net.au) wrote:
Why don't you go to the Hewlett Packard website and download the Full User Manual for the printer. It's all there if you bother to read it properly.
Because: 1) I *had* done my homework before, and found: http://h20195.www2.hp.com/v2/GetPDF.aspx/c01469973.pdf http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01413585&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&product=3390947#N1422 2) those documents only say "Up to 4800 x 1200-optimised dpi colour when printing from a computer on select HP photo papers and 1200-input dpi." 3) what Lynn actually said twice in this thread before your remark is: "The quality of the print with hp photo paper is excellent. It will not however feed any other brand of photo paper" which is quite another issue, as I had already made clear. What the docs do say is that HP **only guarantees** that resolution with a certain paper, not that the hardware itself will just **refuse** to work with other paper at that quality. 4) Had I not asked, you would have missed an opportunity to show that you didn't bother to read the thread carefully. Marco -- Enough with this "Free Software is communist" myth! Please! http://stop.zona-m.net/node/87 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 01/02/10 20:14, M. Fioretti wrote:
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 19:36:03 PM +1100, Basil Chupin (blchupin@iinet.net.au) wrote:
Why don't you go to the Hewlett Packard website and download the Full User Manual for the printer. It's all there if you bother to read it properly.
Because:
1) I *had* done my homework before, and found:
http://h20195.www2.hp.com/v2/GetPDF.aspx/c01469973.pdf http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01413585&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&product=3390947#N1422
2) those documents only say "Up to 4800 x 1200-optimised dpi colour when printing from a computer on select HP photo papers and 1200-input dpi."
3) what Lynn actually said twice in this thread before your remark is:
"The quality of the print with hp photo paper is excellent. It will not however feed any other brand of photo paper"
which is quite another issue, as I had already made clear. What the docs do say is that HP **only guarantees** that resolution with a certain paper, not that the hardware itself will just **refuse** to work with other paper at that quality.
4) Had I not asked, you would have missed an opportunity to show that you didn't bother to read the thread carefully.
Marco
Do you want help or do you want to get stroppy? http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?cc=uk&dlc=en&product=3390947&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_UKEN Read the bloody thing! I have an HP and I can print photos on any sort of paper - although I haven't tried toilet paper. HP will always promote their own paper but it doesn't mean you cannot use other brands. BC -- "Christians have only one spouse. This is called monotony." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 20:59:48 PM +1100, Basil Chupin (blchupin@iinet.net.au) wrote:
Do you want help or do you want to get stroppy?
Read the bloody thing!
Duh. It's great that you
have an HP and I can print photos on any sort of paper
but that's not what I asked, and frankly I don't really care. I was looking for an explicit answer to a single, **very, very specific question**. I haven't seen it yet, not even in the full user manual you provided, which I just checked. So let's stop here, especially because it isn't even really on topic. Marco -- If you died now, who would take care of your DIGITAL you? http://stop.zona-m.net/node/82 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 01 February 2010 12:22:10 M. Fioretti wrote:
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 20:59:48 PM +1100, Basil Chupin (blchupin@iinet.net.au) wrote:
Do you want help or do you want to get stroppy?
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?cc=uk&dlc=en&product=33 90947&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_UKEN
Read the bloody thing!
Duh. It's great that you
have an HP and I can print photos on any sort of paper
but that's not what I asked, and frankly I don't really care. I was looking for an explicit answer to a single, **very, very specific question**. I haven't seen it yet, not even in the full user manual you provided, which I just checked. So let's stop here, especially because it isn't even really on topic.
Marco
Well folks, I've tried rtfm several times and cannot get anything other than photocopy paper and HP photo paper to load. Does anyone know how to make other makes of photo paper load? HP F2280 with OS 11.2 updated yesterday. Thanks L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 09/02/10 15:17, lynn wrote:
Well folks, I've tried rtfm several times and cannot get anything other than photocopy paper and HP photo paper to load. Does anyone know how to make other makes of photo paper load?
HP F2280 with OS 11.2 updated yesterday.
Just had a look through this thread ... Lynn, can you explain exactly what you are trying to do when you are printing? I don't understand the context of your use of the word "load" Is the problem that the paper will not physically fit in the tray? If that's the case, check A4 vs letter and suchlike. Is the problem that the paper is not being fed correctly into the printer when it tries to start printing? Is the other brand photopaper sticky/have a different surface? Try feeding just one page in at a time. In printers with a front and rear tray (as I think yours does), sometimes photopaper only works in one of the trays. Try the paper in both. Of course, if it works from any other OS that rules out the above hardware issues. Is the problem that the printer hardware gives an error/doesnt print if your try and change the paper type on the software settings before you print? or that the software gives a printing error if you try and change the paper type on the software settings? If that's the case, try printing with your other brand photo paper but selecting the HP photo paper type. The reason this seems strange is that there is nothing to differentiate HP photo paper from other photo paper. If it physically fits in the tray (and is flexible like paper, and has approximately the right surface), I cannot see any way that a printer can detect its brand. If HP had invented a way to brand their paper invisibly I'm sure more people would know about this ... Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 16:37:36 PM +0000, Tejas Guruswamy (masterpatricko@gmail.com) wrote:
The reason this seems strange is that there is nothing to differentiate HP photo paper from other photo paper. If it physically fits in the tray (and is flexible like paper, and has approximately the right surface), I cannot see any way that a printer can detect its brand. If HP had invented a way to brand their paper invisibly I'm sure more people would know about this ...
From: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/18972-18972-236251-14438-33280... [HP Deskjet 6940 Printer] "Media sensor detects paper type and automatically sets print quality to ensure optimal results" So it does seem possible (especially when the same company makes both the sensor and the paper). Marco -- Mr Label's nightmare: what really, really scares him http://stop.zona-m.net/node/88 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2/9/2010 10:40 AM, M. Fioretti wrote:
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 16:37:36 PM +0000, Tejas Guruswamy (masterpatricko@gmail.com) wrote:
The reason this seems strange is that there is nothing to differentiate HP photo paper from other photo paper. If it physically fits in the tray (and is flexible like paper, and has approximately the right surface), I cannot see any way that a printer can detect its brand. If HP had invented a way to brand their paper invisibly I'm sure more people would know about this ...
From: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/18972-18972-236251-14438-33280...
[HP Deskjet 6940 Printer] "Media sensor detects paper type and automatically sets print quality to ensure optimal results"
So it does seem possible (especially when the same company makes both the sensor and the paper).
Marco
So, not a linux issue at all, and severely off topic. Die thread, Die. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 02/09/2010 01:40 PM, M. Fioretti pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 16:37:36 PM +0000, Tejas Guruswamy (masterpatricko@gmail.com) wrote:
The reason this seems strange is that there is nothing to differentiate HP photo paper from other photo paper. If it physically fits in the tray (and is flexible like paper, and has approximately the right surface), I cannot see any way that a printer can detect its brand. If HP had invented a way to brand their paper invisibly I'm sure more people would know about this ...
From: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/18972-18972-236251-14438-33280...
[HP Deskjet 6940 Printer] "Media sensor detects paper type and automatically sets print quality to ensure optimal results"
So it does seem possible (especially when the same company makes both the sensor and the paper).
Marco
It says "paper type" _not_ manufacturer. Unless some new technology has been developed I doubt that the manufacturer of the paper can be detected and if it has people will start screaming anti-trust quicker than you can blink your eye. Didn't Lexmark lose a case where they required that only their brand of toner or ink could be used in their printers? -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2/9/2010 11:07 AM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
It says "paper type" _not_ manufacturer. Unless some new technology has been developed I doubt that the manufacturer of the paper can be detected
Really? You doubt that? A simple conductance test could server the purpose. Photo paper is different on each side. A simple comparison would do. Die Thread Die. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 02/09/2010 02:16 PM, John Andersen wrote:
On 2/9/2010 11:07 AM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
It says "paper type" _not_ manufacturer. Unless some new technology has been developed I doubt that the manufacturer of the paper can be detected
Really? You doubt that? A simple conductance test could server the purpose. Photo paper is different on each side. A simple comparison would do.
Many printers made today have 2 lasers or LEDs....normally 1 is blue and the other red. One reads the type of paper and often the size as well. This is 1 of the "complications" the community has in writing good Linux drivers for a number of printers, in particular when the maker doesn't want to give out the specs. for one of these newer printers. Fred -- "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the people to carry arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so."--Adolf Hitler -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 13 February 2010 11:09:48 am Fred A. Miller wrote:
On 02/09/2010 02:16 PM, John Andersen wrote:
On 2/9/2010 11:07 AM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
It says "paper type" _not_ manufacturer. Unless some new technology has been developed I doubt that the manufacturer of the paper can be detected
Really? You doubt that? A simple conductance test could server the purpose. Photo paper is different on each side. A simple comparison would do.
Many printers made today have 2 lasers or LEDs....normally 1 is blue and the other red. One reads the type of paper and often the size as well. This is 1 of the "complications" the community has in writing good Linux drivers for a number of printers, in particular when the maker doesn't want to give out the specs. for one of these newer printers.
Fred
Fred, actually they even go further. There was a show on the History Channel or national geographic's channel a couple of weeks ago about secret methods of tracking thing including printer where vendors can tell not only which printer printed it, but where the printer is located if was warranty registered. they said you need a special light, blue bulb I think to read it. Cookies on your computer are another one. My bank uses them to allow me to do only line banking. If I delete their cookies I have to answer security question to get back on. questions to -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On 02/09/2010 01:40 PM, M. Fioretti pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
From: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/18972-18972-236251-14438-33280...
[HP Deskjet 6940 Printer] "Media sensor detects paper type and automatically sets print quality to ensure optimal results"
So it does seem possible (especially when the same company makes both the sensor and the paper).
It says "paper type" _not_ manufacturer. Unless some new technology has been developed I doubt that the manufacturer of the paper can be detected and if it has people will start screaming anti-trust quicker than you can blink your eye.
It could be that the paper is not exactly the same. Different brands will make photo paper slightly different, enough for the sensor to not accept it. What about invisible marking in the HP paper? But in that case they should say clearly so in the manual. In the part you read before buying. I have an HP color laser printer, and it clearly warns about the quality of the paper and recommends hp paper (which I don't buy, they don't sell it on supermarkets). I haven't tried photo paper, though. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAktxw64ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9ULpACbB4MbDsxHCZDkjocq7lvb2zjv Ec0AniyJQ92uCCzaJ63lepsAhpIURfP3 =SUeJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 14:07 -0500, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 02/09/2010 01:40 PM, M. Fioretti pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 16:37:36 PM +0000, Tejas Guruswamy (masterpatricko@gmail.com) wrote:
The reason this seems strange is that there is nothing to differentiate HP photo paper from other photo paper. If it physically fits in the tray (and is flexible like paper, and has approximately the right surface), I cannot see any way that a printer can detect its brand. If HP had invented a way to brand their paper invisibly I'm sure more people would know about this ...
From: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/18972-18972-236251-14438-33280...
[HP Deskjet 6940 Printer] "Media sensor detects paper type and automatically sets print quality to ensure optimal results"
So it does seem possible (especially when the same company makes both the sensor and the paper).
Marco
It says "paper type" _not_ manufacturer. Unless some new technology has been developed I doubt that the manufacturer of the paper can be detected and if it has people will start screaming anti-trust quicker than you can blink your eye.
Perhaps their machines are preloaded with the brilliance ranges of HP Paper and stuff falling outside those ranges get's kicked down a notch in quality?
Didn't Lexmark lose a case where they required that only their brand of toner or ink could be used in their printers?
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On 10/02/10 11:03, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 14:07 -0500, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 02/09/2010 01:40 PM, M. Fioretti pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 16:37:36 PM +0000, Tejas Guruswamy (masterpatricko@gmail.com) wrote:
The reason this seems strange is that there is nothing to differentiate HP photo paper from other photo paper. If it physically fits in the tray (and is flexible like paper, and has approximately the right surface), I cannot see any way that a printer can detect its brand. If HP had invented a way to brand their paper invisibly I'm sure more people would know about this ...
From: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/18972-18972-236251-14438-33280...
[HP Deskjet 6940 Printer] "Media sensor detects paper type and automatically sets print quality to ensure optimal results"
So it does seem possible (especially when the same company makes both the sensor and the paper).
Marco
It says "paper type" _not_ manufacturer. Unless some new technology has been developed I doubt that the manufacturer of the paper can be detected and if it has people will start screaming anti-trust quicker than you can blink your eye.
Perhaps their machines are preloaded with the brilliance ranges of HP Paper and stuff falling outside those ranges get's kicked down a notch in quality?
Didn't Lexmark lose a case where they required that only their brand of toner or ink could be used in their printers?
Gentle Folk, Marco has once again sent out a furphy - and most have fallen for it. Lynn is asking about the F2280 Deskjet but Marco just has to quote (above) something which belongs to the 6940 Deskjet - and sends the hares running in all directions! I already provided some quotes from the F2280 printer in an earlier post. The answer to the question *IS* in the F2280 manual! If I can find the answer(s) so can everyone else -- and I don't own an F2280 (I have a Photosmart 8450). And I agree with John: this is NOT a SuSE problem - it is an HP problem and as I also already stated HP has a forum and a Service department - so take this non-discussion to HP. BC -- "Will the highways of the internet become more few?" George W Bush -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:30:14 AM +1100, Basil Chupin (blchupin@iinet.net.au) wrote:
Gentle Folk,
Marco has once again sent out a furphy - and most have fallen for it.
Tejas had asked a GENERAL question:
I cannot see any way that a printer can detect its brand
I just answered to that GENERAL question that, according to a link "it does seem possible", so the printer model that link is about is not really relevant.
I already provided some quotes from the F2280 printer in an earlier post. ...And I agree with John: this is NOT a SuSE problem
so did I in a previous post. The ONLY reason why I'm answering now is because you keep going personal, even after OTHERS (e.g. Bryan on Feb 1st) told you that all your quotes were IRRELEVANT, because they do NOT answer the one, very specific question I was asking. This thread should have died last week, we all agree on this, so please let's do it. I'm only asking that if you really feel any need to keep it going, please realize that it's not about "Marco and only Marco". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 10/02/10 21:30, M. Fioretti wrote:
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 11:30:14 AM +1100, Basil Chupin (blchupin@iinet.net.au) wrote:
Gentle Folk,
Marco has once again sent out a furphy - and most have fallen for it.
Tejas had asked a GENERAL question:
I cannot see any way that a printer can detect its brand
I just answered to that GENERAL question that,
Stating that, "From: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/18972-18972-236251-14438-33280... [HP Deskjet 6940 Printer] "Media sensor detects paper type and automatically sets print quality to ensure optimal results" So it does seem possible (especially when the same company makes both the sensor and the paper)." is *not *answering a "*GENERAL*" question. I could the same with quoting from the manual for my printer. The piece of equipment in question is the *F2280. *Have we got this clear? And as another person pointed out, "paper *TYPE*" - repeat, "*TYPE*, repeat, "*TYPE*" - and *not* paper *manufacturer*.
according to a link "it does seem possible", so the printer model that link is about is not really relevant.
What "*link*"? Please quote *exact* link, thank you.
I already provided some quotes from the F2280 printer in an earlier post. ...And I agree with John: this is NOT a SuSE problem
so did I in a previous post. The ONLY reason why I'm answering now is because you keep going personal, even after OTHERS (e.g. Bryan
Who?
on Feb 1st) told you that all your quotes were IRRELEVANT, because they do NOT answer the one, very specific question I was asking.
Ah, you really mean *Brian *(White), don't you? And as I responded to Brian, what I wrote answered your question(s) quite adequately. Even here you do not seem to understand what is written in the English language. Tell me *exactly*, according to *your* logic, where I did not address the question - that is to your way of thinking, 'IRRELEVANT' - of where one could find an "official" statement saying anything different to what an "official" product manual - like the one for the HP Deskjet F2280 - states, which is what your post was asking for? If you, or Lynn, cannot read the F2280 manual and understand what is written there then it is not mine or anyone else's problem who participates in this mail list.
This thread should have died last week, we all agree on this, so please let's do it. I'm only asking that if you really feel any need to keep it going, please realize that it's not about "Marco and only Marco".
I understand. But who keeps quoting irrelevant material? So why can't you simply read the F2280 manual and stop coming up here with "questions" which are not only answered in the manual but would also be answered in the HP forum or by the HP Support department (for example http://welcome.hp.com/country/uk/en/support.html)? BTW, Tejas asked Lynn some very succinct questions. They were very much spot on. What her answers will be depends on how much she understands the manual for her F2280. What you may contribute to what Tejas asked will be totally immaterial - unless you have read and understood the F2280 manual. (So far: Manual 10; Marco 0.) [At this point I must apologise to you, Marco, for earlier referring to you as 'Mauro' :-( . My wife (I am married to an Italian girl) has a cousin, Mauro C******i, who lives in Trieste, Italy, and I somehow used his name instead of yours in an earlier post. Mea culpa! :-( ] BC -- "Will the highways of the internet become more few?" George W Bush -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
BTW, Tejas asked Lynn some very succinct questions.
They were very much spot on.
Thank you.
What her answers will be depends on how much she understands the manual for her F2280.
What you may contribute to what Tejas asked will be totally immaterial - unless you have read and understood the F2280 manual. (So far: Manual 10; Marco 0.)
The manual is only available for windows. It refers to menu items which are not available in cups or via hp-install. I believe it maybe depends upon the cartridges that are installed. I have re- inked hp cartridges. I have ordered (at around 50 Euros a pair) original HP ink cartridges. Maybe there is the answer. I am a working girl with little time. Maybe someone could recomend a printer at around 60 Euros which just works. There are many printers here in Spain which do not come as a boxed set. The ink cartridges cost double the price of the printer. Maybe I should go off to the local supermarket (Carrefour), kill the thread and start again with a proper printer? ¿Que os parece? L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 15:55:21, lynn wrote:
I believe it maybe depends upon the cartridges that are installed. I have re- inked hp cartridges. I have ordered (at around 50 Euros a pair) original HP ink cartridges. Maybe there is the answer. I am a working girl with little time. Maybe someone could recomend a printer at around 60 Euros which just works. There are many printers here in Spain which do not come as a boxed set. The ink cartridges cost double the price of the printer.
Maybe I should go off to the local supermarket (Carrefour), kill the thread and start again with a proper printer? ¿Que os parece?
Me parece que... the cheaper the printer, the more expensive the ink, especially after a year or two. So, buy a really extremely cheap printer, use it until the ink is finished and buy the next one (if you want to support the climate change....), or spend some more money on it and buy a quality piece. Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Feb 10 16:29 Daniel Bauer wrote (shortened):
... buy a really extremely cheap printer, use it until the ink is finished and buy the next one (if you want to support the climate change....)
Additionally to the climate this ruins both the user and the manufacturer, see my other posting.
or spend some more money on it and buy a quality piece.
Additionally to the climate this saves money for both the user and the manufacturer. Any kind of extremely cheap stuff (regardless if it is a printer or anything else) is nothing else but a catastrophe. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 17:21:33 Johannes Meixner wrote:
Hello,
On Feb 10 16:29 Daniel Bauer wrote (shortened):
... buy a really extremely cheap printer, use it until the ink is finished and buy the next one (if you want to support the climate change....)
Additionally to the climate this ruins both the user and the manufacturer, see my other posting.
or spend some more money on it and buy a quality piece.
Additionally to the climate this saves money for both the user and the manufacturer.
Any kind of extremely cheap stuff (regardless if it is a printer or anything else) is nothing else but a catastrophe.
Kind Regards Johannes Meixner
Would you class a HP F2280 printer as 'extremely cheap stuff?'. The supermarket price is 66 euros. To repeat. How much does one have to spend on a printer that just works, and what is that printer? Love from Lynn x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* lynn
Would you class a HP F2280 printer as 'extremely cheap stuff?'.
The supermarket price is 66 euros.
Read this review and answer your own question: http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/review/printers_scanners/hp/deskjet_f2280/2538... -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Feb 10 18:53 lynn wrote (shortened):
Would you class a HP F2280 printer as 'extremely cheap stuff?'. The supermarket price is 66 euros.
I would not even buy a plain printer for 66 euros. But this piece of hardware pretends to be an all-in-one device. Actually it can be only a nothing-at-all device.
How much does one have to spend on a printer that just works, and what is that printer?
See http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Purchasing_a_Printer_and_Compatibility I understand that you like to get an exact advise to buy a particular model but I cannot provide this for two reasons: First we as Novell/Suse do not recommend particular printer manufactuerers or models, second the exact model depends very much on your particular needs. For some information you may have a look at http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2008-09/msg00090.html (the URLs therein are meanwhile outdated, HPLIP is now at http://hplipopensource.com) and http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2007-01/msg04214.html Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Feb 10 15:55 lynn wrote (shortened):
The ink cartridges cost double the price of the printer.
Have in mind that the ink or toner cartridges which are initially included when you buy a cheap printer are in most cases not completely full of ink or toner (more than likely the initial cartridges provide less than half of the ink/toner of replacement cartridges). Therefore when you like to know a reasonable price, calculate the price of the printer plus the price of at least one set of replacement cartridges. And when you compare prices of different models this way, pay attention how much ink/toner there is actually in the replacement cartridges. I think that regardless how you decide, you have to pay the actual price either way. Either you pay once for a solid printer or you have to pay again and again via the replacement cartridges. It is rumored that cheap printers are sold for a price which is less than the cost of production only to lure customers who then later have to pay the actual price via replacement cartridges - and of course then it makes sense when the manufacturers do whatever nasty trick to force the customer to buy only the original manufacturer's replacement cartridges... Have a look at http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Purchasing_a_Printer_and_Compatibility Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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I believe it maybe depends upon the cartridges that are installed. I have re- inked hp cartridges. I have ordered (at around 50 Euros a pair) original HP ink cartridges. Maybe there is the answer. I am a working girl with little time. Maybe someone could recomend a printer at around 60 Euros which just works. There are many printers here in Spain which do not come as a boxed set. The ink cartridges cost double the price of the printer.
As Johannes Meixner has said, cheap printers do not end being cheap, for many reasons. One is that ink cartridges tend to be costly and do not last. Some include a head assembly and are even more expensive. And, IMO, cheap printers do not work well with linux; I think they offload part of the work to the main cpu and thus need a special driver which they make only for windows. I had a canon bjc 4000 which I refilled myself, which was cheaper, but with the rahter big problem of having to clean the heads with alcohol after only abaout a week of not using it. When I had to print a CV on a hurry, the damned thing needed an hour or two of fidling and cleaning. So in the end I bought a color laser printer instead. I'm a happy user, my problems with the printer are over. At a price on euros, of course. The toner is expensive, but I believe the final price per page is better.
Maybe I should go off to the local supermarket (Carrefour), kill the thread and start again with a proper printer? ¿Que os parece?
Que si :-) Aunque no se que tendrán en el Carrefour :-p - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAktzFj0ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9Ue8QCffxGqU6OE6EGXa/KLxXHGbY4R QKEAn1hHgTiPIx0MGqUoLliKBi4IQImR =qly+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hello, On Feb 10 21:25 Carlos E. R. wrote (shortened):
... in the end I bought a color laser printer instead. I'm a happy user, my problems with the printer are over. At a price on euros, of course. The toner is expensive, but I believe the final price per page is better.
And don't forget to count the "price" for being "a happy user" and for having more time for whatever you like more than to fiddle about a piece of insufficient-by-design hardware! Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Maybe I should go off to the local supermarket (Carrefour), kill the thread and start again with a proper printer? ¿Que os parece?
Que si :-)
Aunque no se que tendrán en el Carrefour :-p
Venga. Al ataque entonces. Primera parada PC Box. L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Maybe I should go off to the local supermarket (Carrefour), kill the thread and start again with a proper printer? ¿Que os parece?
Que si :-)
Aunque no se que tendrán en el Carrefour :-p
Venga. Al ataque entonces. Primera parada PC Box.
:-) I got my HP directly from HP, via internet. I could not find the model I wanted on the shops, too new or something. And it was cheaper this way; the toner cartridge are cheaper on other places, however. Ah, forgot to say: the big disadvantage of laser color is that they are big. But if you are in Barcelona, that is a big city, you should have much more resources than I have "en provincias". - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkt0biMACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UdJACgmGpojroQdEVDwDCIpOaNJq2X bj8An1yHcnMGZv2mhHstHC74Z65YpaP/ =Uj9g -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 02/09/2010 02:07 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 02/09/2010 01:40 PM, M. Fioretti pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 16:37:36 PM +0000, Tejas Guruswamy (masterpatricko@gmail.com) wrote:
The reason this seems strange is that there is nothing to differentiate HP photo paper from other photo paper. If it physically fits in the tray (and is flexible like paper, and has approximately the right surface), I cannot see any way that a printer can detect its brand. If HP had invented a way to brand their paper invisibly I'm sure more people would know about this ...
From: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/18972-18972-236251-14438-33280...
[HP Deskjet 6940 Printer] "Media sensor detects paper type and automatically sets print quality to ensure optimal results"
So it does seem possible (especially when the same company makes both the sensor and the paper).
Marco
It says "paper type" _not_ manufacturer. Unless some new technology has been developed I doubt that the manufacturer of the paper can be detected and if it has people will start screaming anti-trust quicker than you can blink your eye.
Didn't Lexmark lose a case where they required that only their brand of toner or ink could be used in their printers?
Yes......IF I remember correctly, that suite was over a laser printer or printers.....awhile ago. Fred -- "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the people to carry arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so."--Adolf Hitler -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Feb 9 19:40 M. Fioretti wrote:
From: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/18972-18972-236251-14438-33280...
[HP Deskjet 6940 Printer] "Media sensor detects paper type and automatically sets print quality to ensure optimal results"
As far as I know the sensor detects basically the light reflection and if it detects a certain amount of glossiness the sensor-magic assumes it is photo paper. I.e. if the non-HP photo paper is matt, the sensor-magic might fail to detect it as photo paper.
So it does seem possible (especially when the same company makes both the sensor and the paper).
For now I think this is conspiracy theory. In any case, remember what I already wrote here on 2 Feb: ----------------------------------------------------------------- Regarding the question if certain HP printers may not feed non-HP paper for whatever special print mode, best ask HP directly for example via http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/support.html provided you use the HPLIP driver. To make sure you use the HPLIP driver, set up a print queue by HP's own setup tool "hp-setup". To do this, best run "hp-setup" directly as root. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 02/09/2010 11:37 AM, Tejas Guruswamy wrote: [snip]
Is the problem that the printer hardware gives an error/doesnt print if your try and change the paper type on the software settings before you print? or that the software gives a printing error if you try and change the paper type on the software settings? If that's the case, try printing with your other brand photo paper but selecting the HP photo paper type.
The reason this seems strange is that there is nothing to differentiate HP photo paper from other photo paper. If it physically fits in the tray (and is flexible like paper, and has approximately the right surface), I cannot see any way that a printer can detect its brand. If HP had invented a way to brand their paper invisibly I'm sure more people would know about this ...
Regards, Tejas
They do, or so it would seem....photo paper anyway. Look at the back of HP photo paper and notice the bar code. I don't know of any printer that reads it, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening and I/we don't know it. Fred -- "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the people to carry arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so."--Adolf Hitler -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 02/09/2010 10:17 AM, lynn wrote:
On Monday 01 February 2010 12:22:10 M. Fioretti wrote:
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 20:59:48 PM +1100, Basil Chupin (blchupin@iinet.net.au)
wrote:
Do you want help or do you want to get stroppy?
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?cc=uk&dlc=en&product=33 90947&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_UKEN
Read the bloody thing!
Duh. It's great that you
have an HP and I can print photos on any sort of paper
but that's not what I asked, and frankly I don't really care. I was looking for an explicit answer to a single, **very, very specific question**. I haven't seen it yet, not even in the full user manual you provided, which I just checked. So let's stop here, especially because it isn't even really on topic.
Marco
Well folks, I've tried rtfm several times and cannot get anything other than photocopy paper and HP photo paper to load. Does anyone know how to make other makes of photo paper load?
HP F2280 with OS 11.2 updated yesterday.
Thanks L x
Lynn, just to put the paper issue to rest, at least as to what HP says, the following is from HP. There's NO limitation listed telling the user to use only HP paper, therefore, the printer SHOULD feed any paper withing the weight limits listed. If it doesn't, I think I'd declare a warranty issue. Media sizes supported A4 (210 x 297 mm), A5 (148 x 210 mm), A6 (105 x 148 mm), B5/JIS (182 × 257 mm), B5/ISO (176 x 250 mm), C6 (114 x 162 mm), DL (110 x 220 mm), 130 x 180 mm, 100 x 150 mm Media types supported Paper (plain, inkjet, photo), envelopes, transparencies, labels, cards, HP premium media, iron-on transfers Recommended media weight A4: 70 to 90 g/m², HP envelopes: 70 to 90 g/m², HP cards: up to 200 g/m², HP photo paper: up to 280 g/m² http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/au/en/ho/WF06b/18972-18972-238444-410635-4106... Fred -- "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the people to carry arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so."--Adolf Hitler -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 01/02/10 20:14, M. Fioretti wrote:
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 19:36:03 PM +1100, Basil Chupin (blchupin@iinet.net.au) wrote:
Why don't you go to the Hewlett Packard website and download the Full User Manual for the printer. It's all there if you bother to read it properly.
Because:
1) I *had* done my homework before, and found:
http://h20195.www2.hp.com/v2/GetPDF.aspx/c01469973.pdf http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01413585&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&product=3390947#N1422
2) those documents only say "Up to 4800 x 1200-optimised dpi colour when printing from a computer on select HP photo papers and 1200-input dpi."
3) what Lynn actually said twice in this thread before your remark is:
"The quality of the print with hp photo paper is excellent. It will not however feed any other brand of photo paper"
which is quite another issue, as I had already made clear. What the docs do say is that HP **only guarantees** that resolution with a certain paper, not that the hardware itself will just **refuse** to work with other paper at that quality.
4) Had I not asked, you would have missed an opportunity to show that you didn't bother to read the thread carefully.
Marco
Do you want help or do you want to get stroppy?
Read the bloody thing!
I have an HP and I can print photos on any sort of paper - although I haven't tried toilet paper.
HP will always promote their own paper but it doesn't mean you cannot use other brands.
BC
The PDF M. Fioretti referenced is the same one you referenced. So, he has read it, and does not find anything in there that says the printer will not function at all with any other brand of paper. So at this point it's kind of dumb to just say "read the manual" and point at the same manual he already claimed to read. If you believe this document supports the claim that the printer will only work with HP paper, I would like to see a pointer to exactly what part(s), because I have looked over the document and I see no such statement or implication. If you believe this document does not support that claim, then I would like to know what was the point of your last post, since you seemed to be objecting to what M. Fioretti said, yet saying only the same thing yourself. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 01/02/10 22:34, Brian K. White wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 01/02/10 20:14, M. Fioretti wrote:
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 19:36:03 PM +1100, Basil Chupin (blchupin@iinet.net.au) wrote:
Why don't you go to the Hewlett Packard website and download the Full User Manual for the printer. It's all there if you bother to read it properly.
Because:
1) I *had* done my homework before, and found:
http://h20195.www2.hp.com/v2/GetPDF.aspx/c01469973.pdf
2) those documents only say "Up to 4800 x 1200-optimised dpi colour when printing from a computer on select HP photo papers and 1200-input dpi."
3) what Lynn actually said twice in this thread before your remark is:
"The quality of the print with hp photo paper is excellent. It will not however feed any other brand of photo paper"
which is quite another issue, as I had already made clear. What the docs do say is that HP **only guarantees** that resolution with a certain paper, not that the hardware itself will just **refuse** to work with other paper at that quality.
4) Had I not asked, you would have missed an opportunity to show that you didn't bother to read the thread carefully.
Marco
Do you want help or do you want to get stroppy?
Read the bloody thing!
I have an HP and I can print photos on any sort of paper - although I haven't tried toilet paper.
HP will always promote their own paper but it doesn't mean you cannot use other brands.
BC
The PDF M. Fioretti referenced is the same one you referenced. So, he has read it, and does not find anything in there that says the printer will not function at all with any other brand of paper.
So at this point it's kind of dumb to just say "read the manual" and point at the same manual he already claimed to read.
If you believe this document supports the claim that the printer will only work with HP paper, I would like to see a pointer to exactly what part(s), because I have looked over the document and I see no such statement or implication.
If you believe this document does not support that claim, then I would like to know what was the point of your last post, since you seemed to be objecting to what M. Fioretti said, yet saying only the same thing yourself.
I guess that I will just have to go back to school and relearn the English language, and brush up on my Logical Analysis. To quote Mauro: QUOTE Lynn, thanks for the prompt answer, however my question was slightly different. What you say above is clear, but what I'm really looking for is some official source (press release, online HP manual, something like that) that explicitly says that this:
It will not however feed any other brand of photo paper.
is a "feature" of that printer. UNQUOTE Let's go over this again. "...but what I'm really looking for is some *official source* (press release, online *HP manual*, something like that) that explicitly says...." Now, how can one find an "official source....like..HP Manual" which will state anything else than what the official Manual now states?! Where will you ever find an "official" manual which will contradict what an "official" manual states?
From the manual:
"The HP Deskjet F2200 All-in-One series is a versatile device that enables easy-to-use copying, scanning, and printing. Copy The HP All-in-One allows you to produce high-quality color and black-and-white copies on a variety of paper types. You can enlarge or reduce the size of an original to fit a specific paper size, adjust the copy quality, and make high-quality copies of photos." "On a variety of paper types". Are we OK on this so far, folks? And also: "NOTE: The HP All-in-One cannot automatically detect the paper type. For best results, set the paper type to transparency film in the software before printing onto transparency film." Ah, "the HP...cannot *automatically* detect all the paper type". So what does one have to do to make it accept other types? No gold stars for coming up with the answer, but "RTFM" comes to mind. Ah, and here is another gem: "In the Print Quality drop-down list, select the appropriate quality setting for your project. NOTE: To view the maximum dpi that the product will print, click Resolution. In the Paper Type drop-down list, select the type of paper that you have loaded." The other thing in all this, of course, is that HP has not only a Support department but also a forum where users ask questions and have them answered - just like openSUSE. Got a problem which you think is an HP product related, go ask there. PAX. BC -- "Christians have only one spouse. This is called monotony."UNQUOTE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 01 February 2010 10:14:17 M. Fioretti wrote:
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 19:36:03 PM +1100, Basil Chupin (blchupin@iinet.net.au) wrote:
Why don't you go to the Hewlett Packard website and download the Full User Manual for the printer. It's all there if you bother to read it properly.
Because:
1) I *had* done my homework before, and found:
http://h20195.www2.hp.com/v2/GetPDF.aspx/c01469973.pdf
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01413585&lc=en&dlc=en &cc=us&product=3390947#N1422
2) those documents only say "Up to 4800 x 1200-optimised dpi colour when printing from a computer on select HP photo papers and 1200-input dpi."
3) what Lynn actually said twice in this thread before your remark is:
"The quality of the print with hp photo paper is excellent. It will not however feed any other brand of photo paper"
which is quite another issue, as I had already made clear. What the docs do say is that HP **only guarantees** that resolution with a certain paper, not that the hardware itself will just **refuse** to work with other paper at that quality.
4) Had I not asked, you would have missed an opportunity to show that you didn't bother to read the thread carefully.
Marco
It turns out to be the driver. HPLIP does indeed only recognise HP photo paper. The CUPS driver I just installed instead of the HP driver works fine on any type of paper, photo or not with 11.3. But I must say that the Yast printer installation dialogue is very difficult to understand. But for 60 Euros the HP2200 produces superb quality. A4 prints on any photo paper. L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-07-25 13:03, lynn wrote: ...
It turns out to be the driver. HPLIP does indeed only recognise HP photo paper. The CUPS driver I just installed instead of the HP driver works fine on any type of paper, photo or not with 11.3. But I must say that the Yast printer installation dialogue is very difficult to understand. But for 60 Euros the HP2200 produces superb quality. A4 prints on any photo paper.
Wow....! Yes, I remember this thread, thank you for reporting back. So, the hplip thing only recognizes hp photo paper, and the cups driver recognizes paper of any brand and quality? Wow. What a surprise... The Spanish expression would be "barren para casa", don't know exactly how to translate. They want the beans home, perhaps. Me, I have an HP printer. I do have hplip installed, but I use the cups driver. I think. I have several drivers installed: I usually use the PS driver, but if the image is too big for the printer memory I switch to the hpijs or pcl3 versions. Never had a problem, but I have always preferred cups drivers for my printers, if available. I do my shopping carefully O;-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxMIRgACgkQU92UU+smfQXdaACfUYenTl86/GOq3j4YtI1pyI5j WAsAniRHam9XRKlko8DCC+N+0aaZN6/G =DEt0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 25 July 2010 13:33:44 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2010-07-25 13:03, lynn wrote:
...
It turns out to be the driver. HPLIP does indeed only recognise HP photo paper. The CUPS driver I just installed instead of the HP driver works fine on any type of paper, photo or not with 11.3. But I must say that the Yast printer installation dialogue is very difficult to understand. But for 60 Euros the HP2200 produces superb quality. A4 prints on any photo paper.
Wow....!
Yes, I remember this thread, thank you for reporting back.
So, the hplip thing only recognizes hp photo paper, and the cups driver recognizes paper of any brand and quality?
Wow.
What a surprise... The Spanish expression would be "barren para casa", don't know exactly how to translate. They want the beans home, perhaps.
Me, I have an HP printer. I do have hplip installed, but I use the cups driver. I think. I have several drivers installed: I usually use the PS driver, but if the image is too big for the printer memory I switch to the hpijs or pcl3 versions. Never had a problem, but I have always preferred cups drivers for my printers, if available.
I do my shopping carefully O;-)
Hola Carlos Mal de muchos, consuelo de tontos me suena tambien. ¡But they made me feel that it was just me being stupid! Besos L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Friday 29 January 2010 14:39:59 lynn wrote:
I have a deskjet F2280. Normal photocopy paper works fine.
To get high quality prints, I have to use HP paper. It will not feed any other (I have tried kodak and epson which I'd like to use).
Printer setup by yast. OS 11.2 with KDE 3.4.5
More specific information is needed: Which exact driver you use (see the YaST dialogs)? Which exact print job option settings do you use for high quality prints? Prefereably do test-prints via command line so that you know the exact job option settings. If you test printing with whatever kind of document from whatever kind of application program via whatever kind of desktop environment, the root cause of the issue could be everywhere in this huge stack of software magic. Print a PostScript file, for example the YaST test page /usr/share/YaST2/data/testprint.ps using a command like lp -d queue -o option1=valueA -o option2=valueN file Run lpoptions -p queue -l to get your particular driver-specific options. The output has the following syntax: option1/translation-string1: valueA valueB ... option2/translation-string2: valueM valueN ... The value of the default setting is marked with an asterisk '*' preceding the actual value e.g. '*valueB'. Regarding the question if certain HP printers may not feed non-HP paper for whatever special print mode, best ask HP directly for example via http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/support.html provided you use the HPLIP driver. To make sure you use the HPLIP driver, set up a print queue by HP's own setup tool "hp-setup". To do this, best run "hp-setup" directly as root. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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