hi all, the university i work at runs a network using windows NT server. each person's computer runs windows 95 (or possibly MacOS) and when you boot the computer, it automatically logs on using a program called LMSCRIPT.EXE. now i would like to use linux on my computer, but unfortunately, the computer support group has only one thing to say about that: "we don't support linux". my questions are the following: is it at all possible to log onto a windows NT server with linux (i guess it is... :-) how can i find out what requests/information to send and receive? as i said, the computer (un)support group has only one thing to say... i would appreciate any kind of tips or comments, even if it is just to say that i should not do it if the systems manager does not support it... TIA, joost -------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Joost Kremers, MA University of Nijmegen - The Netherlands Department of Languages and Cultures of the Middle-East PO Box 9103 6500 HD Nijmegen - The Netherlands phone: +31 24 3612996 fax: +31 24 3611972
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:51:40 +0100, Joost Kremers said: | is it at all possible to log onto a windows NT server with linux (i guess | it is... :-) Yes and no. The short answer is: You can't logon on a NT domain as you would do with a Windows PC. However you can mount NT shares as any other user, with the same privileges or restrictions. Example: I mount NT shares with the following command: # smbmount //uniweb/stpp /mnt/stpp -o uid=1444,username=cwnl-koos I run this command as root, the files will have uid 1444 (my unix userid) and the username to authenticate with is cwnl-koos (my domain userid) The long answer is: http://www.samba.org Good luck. -- ---------------------------------------------------- Koos Pol T: +31 20 3116122 Systems Administrator F: +31 20 3116200 Compuware Europe B.V. E: koos_pol@nl.compuware.com Amsterdam PGP public key available
At 13:08 19-2-01 +0100, you wrote:
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:51:40 +0100, Joost Kremers said:
| is it at all possible to log onto a windows NT server with linux (i guess | it is... :-)
Yes and no. The short answer is: You can't logon on a NT domain as you would do with a Windows PC. However you can mount NT shares as any other user, with the same privileges or restrictions.
well, i'm not really looking to do this anyway. what i need is to be able to access the internet and read my e-mail. (sorry if that wasn't clear from my question.) at home, i use a modem to dial up (to a different server, BTW) and before i have access, a login name and password have to be sent, plus some other things. at work, something similar is done, by this progam LMSCRIPT. when i try to ping some machine, i get "network is unreachable". AFAIK, the ethernet card is configured properly, so the problem seems to be that the ping is sent to a network that does not accept anything coming from my computer. i hope this makes things clearer? any help very much appreciated. bye, joost -------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Joost Kremers, MA University of Nijmegen - The Netherlands Department of Languages and Cultures of the Middle-East PO Box 9103 6500 HD Nijmegen - The Netherlands phone: +31 24 3612996 fax: +31 24 3611972
Joost Kremers wrote:
At 13:08 19-2-01 +0100, you wrote:
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:51:40 +0100, Joost Kremers said:
| is it at all possible to log onto a windows NT server with linux (i guess | it is... :-)
Yes and no. The short answer is: You can't logon on a NT domain as you would do with a Windows PC. However you can mount NT shares as any other user, with the same privileges or restrictions.
well, i'm not really looking to do this anyway. what i need is to be able to access the internet and read my e-mail. (sorry if that wasn't clear from my question.) at home, i use a modem to dial up (to a different server, BTW) and before i have access, a login name and password have to be sent, plus some other things. at work, something similar is done, by this progam LMSCRIPT.
when i try to ping some machine, i get "network is unreachable". AFAIK, the ethernet card is configured properly, so the problem seems to be that the ping is sent to a network that does not accept anything coming from my computer.
i hope this makes things clearer?
any help very much appreciated.
bye,
joost
-------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Joost Kremers, MA University of Nijmegen - The Netherlands Department of Languages and Cultures of the Middle-East PO Box 9103 6500 HD Nijmegen - The Netherlands phone: +31 24 3612996 fax: +31 24 3611972
OK, forget Samba then :-) They might be using CHAP or PAP authentication, I haven't setup a dial-up connection in years. Victor Cardona
On Monday 19 February 2001 06:51, Joost Kremers wrote:
hi all,
the university i work at runs a network using windows NT server. each person's computer runs windows 95 (or possibly MacOS) and when you boot the computer, it automatically logs on using a program called LMSCRIPT.EXE.
now i would like to use linux on my computer, but unfortunately, the computer support group has only one thing to say about that: "we don't support linux".
my questions are the following:
is it at all possible to log onto a windows NT server with linux (i guess it is... :-)
how can i find out what requests/information to send and receive? as i said, the computer (un)support group has only one thing to say...
i would appreciate any kind of tips or comments, even if it is just to say that i should not do it if the systems manager does not support it...
TIA,
joost
Joost, One way we solve problems like this in the States is through the use of a good(sic) lawyer and a plea of 'justifiable homocide.' {;-)> What your really need to ask yourself is what does "logging into" the NT server really mean. I would guess NT may be giving you some or all of the following: 1) Shared drives. I don't know how the software is packaged, but somewhere in the SaMBa related packages there is someting called smb mount. The way I use it is mount -tsmbfs -ousername=myID //<NT server name>/<NT share name> /<mounts>/<server name>/<share name> a specific example is: mount -tsmbfs -ousername=hattons //sita/download /gs/sita/download Password: ****** I created /gs/sita/download for my own organization of files. I could have called it /amsterdam or anything else. The only thing to remember is that you can only mount one share on a given directory location at a time. 2) DHCP to get your IP Address and other internet configuration information shuch as DNS Server and router address. This can be done with Linux by installing the DHCP client. My experience was that it work without a problem when I tryed it. 3) Microsoft Excange mail. I can't say anything about that because I have never worked with Linux and Exchange. 4) print services. I do not have much experience with this, but there is something called smbprint (or a similar name) which some people use. I set my NT box up to pretend it is a Unix print server and pre-filter my print jobs on my Linux box. Unfortunately I don't think you will get much help with this from the University IT support. If you can tell us what you want from "loggin into NT" that may help us answer your question(s). I'd say start by installing DHCP to find out if you "magically" get an IP Address and router address. You will need to go into the network configuration in Yast and tell your network device to get its address dynamically. HTH, Steve
2) DHCP to get your IP Address and other internet configuration information shuch as DNS Server and router address. This can be done with Linux by installing the DHCP client. My experience was that it work without a
hi all, my sincere appologies for - yet - another mail, but steven asked a question i should have answered in my first posting... :-) what i mean with "logging onto NT" is indeed number 2: problem
when I tryed it.
printer services and accessing shared drives would also be nice, but i'll make that my next goal. first, i'd like to be able to read my e-mail!
If you can tell us what you want from "loggin into NT" that may help us answer your question(s). I'd say start by installing DHCP to find out if you "magically" get an IP Address and router address. You will need to go into the network configuration in Yast and tell your network device to get its address dynamically.
when i boot, linux (SuSE 6.4, BTW) says at a certain point: "starting service dhcp client for eth0". this takes a second, and then it says 'done'. but still, the network is unreachable.
One way we solve problems like this in the States is through the use of a good(sic) lawyer and a plea of 'justifiable homocide.' {;-)>
well, maybe i should try something else first... :-) thanks, joost -------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Joost Kremers, MA University of Nijmegen - The Netherlands Department of Languages and Cultures of the Middle-East PO Box 9103 6500 HD Nijmegen - The Netherlands phone: +31 24 3612996 fax: +31 24 3611972
On Monday 19 February 2001 09:01, Joost Kremers wrote:
hi all,
my sincere appologies for - yet - another mail, but steven asked a question i should have answered in my first posting... :-)
No problem!
"magically" get an IP Address and router address. You will need to go into the network configuration in Yast and tell your network device to get its address dynamically.
when i boot, linux (SuSE 6.4, BTW) says at a certain point: "starting service dhcp client for eth0". this takes a second, and then it says 'done'. but still, the network is unreachable.
One way we solve problems like this in the States is through the use of a good(sic) lawyer and a plea of 'justifiable homocide.' {;-)>
well, maybe i should try something else first... :-)
thanks,
joost
Joost, What does ifconfig tell you? Just open a console window and type ifconfig. You should see information about your network card Do you have a link light on your network card? # ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:50:DA:B9:E4:FD -------->inet addr:192.168.0.6 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::250:daff:feb9:e4fd/10 Scope:Link inet6 addr: fe80::50:dab9:e4fd/10 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:244938 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:140394 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:57 txqueuelen:100 Interrupt:15 Base address:0x6c00 Steve
hi again,
What does ifconfig tell you? Just open a console window and type ifconfig. You should see information about your network card Do you have a link light on your network card?
ifconfig gives me the following: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:90:27:30:39:5E UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 Interrupt:5 Base address:0x210 the link light on the network card is blinking happily... furthermore, the dhcp client drops the following messages in /var/log/messages: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 12 (the interval number varies) and a bit later: No DHCPOFFERS received guess that means no go... :-) something else i should have mentioned earlier: when i start windows, Microsoft Networking is started. that is how i get to the internet and my e-mail under windows. if i by-pass it, i have no access to the internet or to e-mail. thanks, joost -------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Joost Kremers, MA University of Nijmegen - The Netherlands Department of Languages and Cultures of the Middle-East PO Box 9103 6500 HD Nijmegen - The Netherlands phone: +31 24 3612996 fax: +31 24 3611972
Here is what my ifconfig gives for my DHCP connection to my ADSL service: root@JLKreps:/home/jerry > ifconfig <PRE> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:50:04:77:B8:2F inet addr:192.168.200.2 Bcast:192.168.200.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::50:477:b82f/10 Scope:Link inet6 addr: fe80::250:4ff:fe77:b82f/10 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST NOTRAILERS RUNNING MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:242189 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:202439 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 Interrupt:11 Base address:0xf480 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3924 Metric:1 RX packets:8089 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:8089 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 And the route command give: root@JLKreps:/home/jerry > route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.200.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 loopback * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo default 192.168.200.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 root@JLKreps:/home/jerry > </PRE> FYI, JLK On Monday 19 February 2001 09:19, Joost Kremers wrote:
hi again,
What does ifconfig tell you? Just open a console window and type ifconfig. You should see information about your network card Do you have a link light on your network card?
ifconfig gives me the following:
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:90:27:30:39:5E UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 Interrupt:5 Base address:0x210
the link light on the network card is blinking happily...
furthermore, the dhcp client drops the following messages in /var/log/messages:
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 12
(the interval number varies)
and a bit later:
No DHCPOFFERS received
guess that means no go... :-)
something else i should have mentioned earlier: when i start windows, Microsoft Networking is started. that is how i get to the internet and my e-mail under windows. if i by-pass it, i have no access to the internet or to e-mail.
thanks,
joost
-------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Joost Kremers, MA University of Nijmegen - The Netherlands Department of Languages and Cultures of the Middle-East PO Box 9103 6500 HD Nijmegen - The Netherlands phone: +31 24 3612996 fax: +31 24 3611972
-- Athiests believe they know there is no god. Agnostics know they believe there is no god. Thiests believe there is a god. Christians believe in God through His Son, Jesus Christ.
On Monday 19 February 2001 10:19, Joost Kremers wrote:
hi again,
What does ifconfig tell you? Just open a console window and type ifconfig. You should see information about your network card Do you have a link light on your network card?
ifconfig gives me the following:
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:90:27:30:39:5E UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 Interrupt:5 Base address:0x210
the link light on the network card is blinking happily...
furthermore, the dhcp client drops the following messages in /var/log/messages:
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 12
(the interval number varies)
and a bit later:
No DHCPOFFERS received
guess that means no go... :-)
something else i should have mentioned earlier: when i start windows, Microsoft Networking is started. that is how i get to the internet and my e-mail under windows. if i by-pass it, i have no access to the internet or to e-mail.
thanks,
joost
Joost, Sound's like it may be time to steal an IP Address. Do you have a system that is running 95 and works on the network? If so, go into a DOS window and type in ipconfig /all (I'm not sure about the /all ) and see if you can determine what IP address it's using, as well as the router. Take those and put them into your linux network configuration and shutdown the 95 box. Then try again. Hopefully they leave the IP Addresses fixed for each machine. Steve
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:19:08 +0100, Joost Kremers said: | furthermore, the dhcp client drops the following messages in | /var/log/messages: | | DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 12 | | (the interval number varies) | | and a bit later: | | No DHCPOFFERS received | | guess that means no go... :-) Are you running an older version of SuSE? It could be possible there is an incompat. problem with your dhcp client and the MS dhcp server. Check the homepage from the author and install the latest. | something else i should have mentioned earlier: when i start windows, | Microsoft Networking is started. that is how i get to the internet and my | e-mail under windows. if i by-pass it, i have no access to the internet or | to e-mail. As it should be. Good luck. -- ---------------------------------------------------- Koos Pol T: +31 20 3116122 Systems Administrator F: +31 20 3116200 Compuware Europe B.V. E: koos_pol@nl.compuware.com Amsterdam PGP public key available
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:01:24 +0100, Joost Kremers said: | first, i'd like to be able to read my e-mail! I suppose you site is running Exchange? In that case you need to have your Exchange admin turn on pop3 support. Now you can receive mail with any regular email client on any platforms. A lot of Exhange admins start wining when you ask for pop3 support. But it is really a highly standardized protocol. There is no need for an admin not to allow this. The only practical consequence for them is to setup a pop3 mail box for you in the Exchange server. -- ---------------------------------------------------- Koos Pol T: +31 20 3116122 Systems Administrator F: +31 20 3116200 Compuware Europe B.V. E: koos_pol@nl.compuware.com Amsterdam PGP public key available
Joost Kremers wrote:
hi all,
the university i work at runs a network using windows NT server. each person's computer runs windows 95 (or possibly MacOS) and when you boot the computer, it automatically logs on using a program called LMSCRIPT.EXE.
now i would like to use linux on my computer, but unfortunately, the computer support group has only one thing to say about that: "we don't support linux".
my questions are the following:
is it at all possible to log onto a windows NT server with linux (i guess it is... :-)
how can i find out what requests/information to send and receive? as i said, the computer (un)support group has only one thing to say...
i would appreciate any kind of tips or comments, even if it is just to say that i should not do it if the systems manager does not support it...
TIA,
joost
-------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Joost Kremers, MA University of Nijmegen - The Netherlands Department of Languages and Cultures of the Middle-East PO Box 9103 6500 HD Nijmegen - The Netherlands phone: +31 24 3612996 fax: +31 24 3611972
I would look into Samba. I comes with the SuSE CDs. You can find out more about it at http://www.samba.org. HTH, Victor Cardona
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