[opensuse] OT: Things are getting interesting at Groklaw
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SOTL wrote:
I find the stories about MS stuffing the ISO ballot box to be more interesting, such as 37 identical letters sent to the Norwegian committee. Or how MS bought so many members on Sweden's committee etc. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 30. August 2007 03:44 schrieb James Knott:
SOTL wrote:
I find the stories about MS stuffing the ISO ballot box to be more interesting, such as 37 identical letters sent to the Norwegian committee. Or how MS bought so many members on Sweden's committee etc. It's not a secret that they do that, German DIN got sold out too, which makes me very sad about my country :(
For some German background infos from heise: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/94766 "As "bizzare" and "curious" describe insiders, while Microsoft welcomes this decision" Many of them works directly for Microsoft or for companies which works for/with microsoft (not to mention that two of them were from companies that develop an "Open-XML-Translator" for Microsoft). At the end only IBM, SUN, the foreign department and the inner department for no.IMHO it's especially interesting, that only the parties that are completly independent from microsoft voted for no. The German Telekom and Google, which wanted to participate(and guess what they would have voted for..), where cut out :/ Greetings Michael
On Thursday 30 August 2007 04:00, Michael Skiba wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 30. August 2007 03:44 schrieb James Knott:
SOTL wrote:
I find the stories about MS stuffing the ISO ballot box to be more interesting, such as 37 identical letters sent to the Norwegian committee. Or how MS bought so many members on Sweden's committee etc.
It's not a secret that they do that, German DIN got sold out too, which makes me very sad about my country :(
DIN was good, you're right, it's a pity.
For some German background infos from heise: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/94766 "As "bizzare" and "curious" describe insiders, while Microsoft welcomes this decision" Many of them works directly for Microsoft or for companies which works for/with microsoft (not to mention that two of them were from companies that develop an "Open-XML-Translator" for Microsoft). At the end only IBM, SUN, the foreign department and the inner department for no.IMHO it's especially interesting, that only the parties that are completly independent from microsoft voted for no.
The German Telekom and Google, which wanted to participate(and guess what they would have voted for..), where cut out :/
Greetings Michael
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Michael Skiba wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 30. August 2007 03:44 schrieb James Knott:
SOTL wrote:
I find the stories about MS stuffing the ISO ballot box to be more interesting, such as 37 identical letters sent to the Norwegian committee. Or how MS bought so many members on Sweden's committee etc.
It's not a secret that they do that, German DIN got sold out too, which makes me very sad about my country :(
For some German background infos from heise: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/94766 "As "bizzare" and "curious" describe insiders, while Microsoft welcomes this decision"
Hopefully, someone in ISO will recognize this farce for what it is and stop it. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 30. August 2007 13:11 schrieb James Knott:
For some German background infos from heise: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/94766 "As "bizzare" and "curious" describe insiders, while Microsoft welcomes this decision"
Hopefully, someone in ISO will recognize this farce for what it is and stop it. The problem is noone seems to care(or is happily willing to take an offer from microsoft " a new Office Suit["to test OOXML"]? Or yet a whole PC with Vista and Office software["to test OOXML"]?
Actually I don't think someone in the ISO who has the power to stop it, will interfere with it, I mean, hey everyone knows it, you can read it everywhere, another example is the sold sweden: http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2007/11650.html (German Again, sorry): It says that the swedish institude for standards(SIS), let in 23 companies in the last minute(which didn't show any interest in discussing about OOXML, no they just voted yes. Who wonders: they all where partners of Microsoft(execpt google, who voted No). How could this happen? Well fairly easy, you just have to pay 1.920€ to get a seat[17.000 Swedish Crowns] Just for the record: 34 parties took part in the vote: 25 Yes 6 No 3 abstentioned Beside: After the suddenly appeared microsoft partners the opponents where offered to leave the vote without paying the fee, if they wouldn't vote. Many of the (not microsoft) companies left immediately under protest, among others IBM. Btw. what have Brazil, China, India and South Africa in common? you know it ;) (they've other things do than care about M$ money) Greetings from a depressed Michael P.S.: Just google for it, there are enough English reports on it too :)
There is a petition you can sign...
http://www.noooxml.org/
On 8/30/07, Michael Skiba
Am Donnerstag, 30. August 2007 13:11 schrieb James Knott:
For some German background infos from heise: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/94766 "As "bizzare" and "curious" describe insiders, while Microsoft welcomes this decision"
Hopefully, someone in ISO will recognize this farce for what it is and stop it. The problem is noone seems to care(or is happily willing to take an offer from microsoft " a new Office Suit["to test OOXML"]? Or yet a whole PC with Vista and Office software["to test OOXML"]?
Actually I don't think someone in the ISO who has the power to stop it, will interfere with it, I mean, hey everyone knows it, you can read it everywhere, another example is the sold sweden: http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2007/11650.html (German Again, sorry):
It says that the swedish institude for standards(SIS), let in 23 companies in the last minute(which didn't show any interest in discussing about OOXML, no they just voted yes. Who wonders: they all where partners of Microsoft(execpt google, who voted No). How could this happen? Well fairly easy, you just have to pay 1.920€ to get a seat[17.000 Swedish Crowns]
Just for the record: 34 parties took part in the vote: 25 Yes 6 No 3 abstentioned
Beside: After the suddenly appeared microsoft partners the opponents where offered to leave the vote without paying the fee, if they wouldn't vote. Many of the (not microsoft) companies left immediately under protest, among others IBM.
Btw. what have Brazil, China, India and South Africa in common? you know it ;) (they've other things do than care about M$ money)
Greetings from a depressed Michael
P.S.: Just google for it, there are enough English reports on it too :)
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On Thu, 2007-08-30 at 14:11 +0200, Michael Skiba wrote:
P.S.: Just google for it, there are enough English reports on it too :)
If I read some of those reports correctly, Novell is one of the companies that are supporting Microsoft's efforts. Did I misunderstand? Or is there some reasonable explanation? Or should I be looking at Ubuntu again? Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 30. August 2007 22:06:07 schrieb Dave Howorth:
On Thu, 2007-08-30 at 14:11 +0200, Michael Skiba wrote:
P.S.: Just google for it, there are enough English reports on it too :)
If I read some of those reports correctly, Novell is one of the companies that are supporting Microsoft's efforts.
Did I misunderstand? Or is there some reasonable explanation? Or should I be looking at Ubuntu again?
Cheers, Dave
Unfortunately I don't know about that, but I message which made me happy: The very very strange behaviour in sweden caused this: http://vuorio.blogspot.com/2007/08/sis-retracts-its-ooxml-decision.html Greetings Michael
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