Re: [opensuse] 11.0 KDE 4 {first impressions}
I don't see the problem w/ including KDE 4 - there has to be users using it and submitting bugs for it to get any better. But for everyone complaining, consider this - at least openSUSE gives the option to install 3.5.9 - heck Fedora stuck users in KDE 4 with no other alternative other than GNOME (or smaller WM's), and their KDE 4 can't TOUCH our KDE 4 from a usability and stability standpoint. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 21 June 2008 15:34:38 Jayson Rowe wrote:
I don't see the problem w/ including KDE 4 - there has to be users using it and submitting bugs for it to get any better. But for everyone complaining, consider this - at least openSUSE gives the option to install 3.5.9 - heck Fedora stuck users in KDE 4 with no other alternative other than GNOME (or smaller WM's), and their KDE 4 can't TOUCH our KDE 4 from a usability and stability standpoint.
Fedora is a very much at the pointed end distro and do provide fixes. Any one that uses it should be very aware of that. Are suse going to provide fixes etc as they appear? Seems that the only option on 4.1 is a fresh install. Could also be that 4.1 will be available well before suse 11.1 comes out. I also understand that 4.1 final will follow rather quickly after 4.1. Put it all together and 4.0 doesn't seem to be a sensible option unless suse are going to fully support it and knowing KDE well it may turn out that the bug fixes and apps just dry up as all of the developers concentrate on 4.1 I have gained the impression that suse is the only major distribution going this way. Maybe the others are idiots. That's somewhat doubtful. John -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 21 June 2008 18:12:59 John wrote:
Seems that the only option on 4.1 is a fresh install.
Then you seem wrong. As I mentioned in an earlier mail, 4.1 will be a clean update to 4.0 without any need to reinstall anything. This can be tested today, since packages for the 4.1 beta are already available Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 21 June 2008 17:19:37 Anders Johansson wrote:
On Saturday 21 June 2008 18:12:59 John wrote:
Seems that the only option on 4.1 is a fresh install.
Then you seem wrong.
As I mentioned in an earlier mail, 4.1 will be a clean update to 4.0 without any need to reinstall anything. This can be tested today, since packages for the 4.1 beta are already available
Anders
Thanks Anders. I'm glad to here that. I miss understood the use of the word clean. I would have expected the words "just a simple update" John -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 21 June 2008 18:24:49 John wrote:
Thanks Anders. I'm glad to here that. I miss understood the use of the word clean. I would have expected the words "just a simple update"
Yeah, what I meant by "clean" was that there aren't any problems when you update, such as config changes or anything Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 21 June 2008 18:12:59 John wrote:
Are suse going to provide fixes etc as they appear?
[open]SUSE always had online updates for major problems besides security fixes within the 2 years support period (of course mostly within the first months). I guess you're confusing that with Fedora providing complete new versions for certain applications/system parts via online updates which openSUSE does not. Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jayson Rowe wrote:
I don't see the problem w/ including KDE 4 - there has to be users using it and submitting bugs for it to get any better.
Excuse me, but for a bug report.. you need a BUG. You can't write a bug report for the malfunctioning of code that doesn't even exist yet. KDE 4 is *NOT* buggy -- it's incomplete. For instance... many ears ago, BMW had a problem with transmissions which would slip from PARK into REVERSE. That's a bug. If the transmission doesn't even HAVE a Reverse gear, that's not a bug, that's an incomplete design. Two different things. We're not going to waste everyone's time telling the KDE devs that the code is incomplete ... they already freakin' know that.
But for everyone complaining, consider this - at least openSUSE gives the option to install 3.5.9 - heck Fedora stuck users in KDE 4 with no other alternative other than GNOME (or smaller WM's), and their KDE 4 can't TOUCH our KDE 4 from a usability and stability standpoint.
And Novell/SUSE gave KDE 4 top billing. Which was not only a mistake, but a STUPID mistake. And they did this even after being warned CONTINUOUSLY for several months. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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