[opensuse] flash is so not idiot-proof

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10 Jan 2012 10 Jan '12

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list-- a month or so back i had to install a special flash plugin because i had been getting random flashing white rectangles in the movie window -- part of that process involved blacklisting flash so an update would not replace that special version for a week or so now i have been unable to play any flash video from web sites i tried installing flash from Yast, and the first time it made me remove an X from the checkbox -- i *think* that removed the blacklist, but for all i know there are other remnants lying about somewhere i tried downloading the _tar.gz from adobe, which expands into several modules off usr/, and as root copied each one into its respective directory the adobe website assumes everyone is using either windows or mac or yum, whatever that is i tried installing gnash from yast so far nothing i have tried enables me to view flash content on the web suse: 11.4 kde: 4.7.2 firefox: 9.0.1 adblock plus 2.0.3 any help will be greatly appreciated sc -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Carl Hartung

10 Jan 10 Jan

01:59

On Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:45:08 -0600 sc wrote:

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yum, whatever that is

That's the CentOS front end to it's rpm system; comparable to zypper, I believe. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

02:05

On 2012/01/09 20:59 (GMT-0500) Carl Hartung composed:

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On Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:45:08 -0600 sc wrote:

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yum, whatever that is

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That's the CentOS front end to it's rpm system; comparable to zypper, I believe.

It's CentOS because CentOS is a derivative of RedHat/Fedora, originator of Yum. Yum & Zypper are not only front ends to RPM, as RPM can't fetch RPMs or manage repos, but also comprehensive package management, which RPM alone could never be. Anything Yum can install, Zypper can too, as long as it's somewhere Zypper can find. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carl Hartung

02:44

On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 21:05:44 -0500 Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2012/01/09 20:59 (GMT-0500) Carl Hartung composed:

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On Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:45:08 -0600 sc wrote:

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yum, whatever that is

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That's the CentOS front end to it's rpm system; comparable to zypper, I believe.

It's CentOS because CentOS is a derivative of RedHat/Fedora, originator of Yum. Yum & Zypper are not only front ends to RPM, as RPM can't fetch RPMs or manage repos, but also comprehensive package management, which RPM alone could never be. Anything Yum can install, Zypper can too, as long as it's somewhere Zypper can find.

Um, I /did/ write "comparable to", didn't I? And there is no single definition of "front end"... apt, smart, yum, zypper... even YaST qualify, don't they? In any case, I was only *briefly* responding to the OP's "whatever that is" comment. I omitted lots of things so as not to steer the discussion off-topic. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

sc

03:27

On Monday, January 09, 2012 20:44:46 Carl Hartung wrote:

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On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 21:05:44 -0500

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Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2012/01/09 20:59 (GMT-0500) Carl Hartung composed:

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On Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:45:08 -0600 sc wrote:

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yum, whatever that is

That's the CentOS front end to it's rpm system; comparable to zypper, I believe.

It's CentOS because CentOS is a derivative of RedHat/Fedora, originator of Yum. Yum & Zypper are not only front ends to RPM, as RPM can't fetch RPMs or manage repos, but also comprehensive package management, which RPM alone could never be. Anything Yum can install, Zypper can too, as long as it's somewhere Zypper can find.

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Um, I /did/ write "comparable to", didn't I? And there is no single definition of "front end"... apt, smart, yum, zypper... even YaST qualify, don't they? In any case, I was only *briefly* responding to the OP's "whatever that is" comment. I omitted lots of things so as not to steer the discussion off-topic.

in an attempt to get it back on-topic i'll mention another thing i tried which failed to get it working: i downloaded the rpm and ran rpm -i <module>, moving the module around until rpm could find it -- but still all embedded flash content gives the same "you need to install a flash player" message -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

zGreenfelder

03:40

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in an attempt to get it back on-topic i'll mention another thing i tried which failed to get it working: i downloaded the rpm and ran rpm -i <module>, moving the module around until rpm could find it -- but still all embedded flash content gives the same "you need to install a flash player" message

is this on a 64 or 32 bit OS? I seem to recall having to go through extra levels of pain for 64 bit with plugins although I don't rightly recall what it would have been just now, I might be of some more use tomorrow once I get back to the work machine where it was done. or perhaps adding some -- Even the Magic 8 ball has an opinion on email clients: Outlook not so good. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carl Hartung

03:47

On Mon, 9 Jan 2012 21:27:02 -0600 sc wrote:

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in an attempt to get it back on-topic i'll mention another thing i tried which failed to get it working: i downloaded the rpm and ran rpm -i <module>, moving the module around until rpm could find it -- but still all embedded flash content gives the same "you need to install a flash player" message

Sorry if this seems like a lot but there are a lot of unanswered questions, still: What does "about:plugins" in Firefox show is enabled for 'Shockwave Flash' content? What files are in /usr/lib{64}/browser-plugins/? What is the result of 'rpm -qa | grep flash'? What was the 'special version' you installed? Where did you get it and how, exactly, did you install it? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

sc

04:58

On Monday, January 09, 2012 21:47:31 Carl Hartung wrote:

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On Mon, 9 Jan 2012 21:27:02 -0600

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sc wrote:

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in an attempt to get it back on-topic i'll mention another thing i tried which failed to get it working: i downloaded the rpm and ran rpm -i <module>, moving the module around until rpm could find it -- but still all embedded flash content gives the same "you need to install a flash player" message

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Sorry if this seems like a lot but there are a lot of unanswered questions, still:

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What does "about:plugins" in Firefox show is enabled for 'Shockwave Flash' content?

about:plugins shows a big message that reads "No enabled plugins found" when i click the mozilla.org link to learn more about plugins there's a message there that firefox, for my safety, has disabled my outdated version of Flash and provides a link to the same adobe download page i've already downloaded from 10 or so times

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What files are in /usr/lib{64}/browser-plugins/?

/usr/lib/browser-plugins has nppdf.so /usr/lib64/browser-plugins has javaplugin.so libflashplayer.so libgnashplugin.so npwrapper.nppdf.so npwrapper.so packagekit-plugin.so skypebuttons.so which is probably the important one because this is a 64-bit box the owner and group of libflashplayer.so is root/root, with read/write/execute for owner and read/execute for everyone else

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What is the result of 'rpm -qa | grep flash'?

flash-player-11.1.102.55-0.6.1.x86_64

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What was the 'special version' you installed? Where did you get it and how, exactly, did you install it?

i truly wish i remembered -- it was something i learned on this list so maybe i can find it... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carl Hartung

05:18

On Mon, 9 Jan 2012 22:58:22 -0600 sc wrote: 8<---- snipped ----

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Sorry if this seems like a lot but there are a lot of unanswered questions, still:

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What does "about:plugins" in Firefox show is enabled for 'Shockwave Flash' content?

about:plugins shows a big message that reads "No enabled plugins found"

when i click the mozilla.org link to learn more about plugins there's a message there that firefox, for my safety, has disabled my outdated version of Flash and provides a link to the same adobe download page i've already downloaded from 10 or so times

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What files are in /usr/lib{64}/browser-plugins/?

/usr/lib/browser-plugins has nppdf.so

/usr/lib64/browser-plugins has

javaplugin.so libflashplayer.so libgnashplugin.so npwrapper.nppdf.so npwrapper.so packagekit-plugin.so skypebuttons.so

which is probably the important one because this is a 64-bit box

the owner and group of libflashplayer.so is root/root, with read/write/execute for owner and read/execute for everyone else

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What is the result of 'rpm -qa | grep flash'?

flash-player-11.1.102.55-0.6.1.x86_64

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What was the 'special version' you installed? Where did you get it and how, exactly, did you install it?

i truly wish i remembered -- it was something i learned on this list so maybe i can find it...

I think I may have spotted a problem, but to clarify things a bit, please close Firefox completely (Firefox -> File -> Quit will close all open Firefox windows,) navigate to your ~/.mozilla/firefox/??.default directory and delete the file "pluginreg.dat". Then re-launch Firefox and check 'about:plugins' again and report any changes. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Charles Philip Chan

03:48

New subject: [opensuse] Re: flash is so not idiot-proof

sc writes:

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but still all embedded flash content gives the same "you need to install a flash player" message

Try: (1) Uninstall the Flash package. (2) Delete any extra files with "flashplayer" in its name in "/usr/lib/browser-plugins" and "/usr/lib64/browser-plugins". (3) Reinstall Flash. Charles -- "If you want to travel around the world and be invited to speak at a lot of different places, just write a Unix operating system." (By Linus Torvalds)

sc

05:28

New subject: [solved] Re: [opensuse] Re: flash is so not idiot-proof

On Monday, January 09, 2012 21:48:30 Charles Philip Chan wrote:

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sc writes:

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but still all embedded flash content gives the same "you need to install a flash player" message

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Try:

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(1) Uninstall the Flash package.

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(2) Delete any extra files with "flashplayer" in its name in "/usr/lib/browser-plugins" and "/usr/lib64/browser-plugins".

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(3) Reinstall Flash.

i'd like to thank everyone who tried to help it turns out i was led down the garden path by firefox itself -- when i upgraded to 9.0 from the suse repository it came up with a message telling me i should upgrade to the latest version from mozilla -- i did that, upgrading to 9.0.1 and that's when my problems began 9.0.1 won't run the latest flash plugin, or any other of my plugins i re-installed firefox 9.0 using yast and now about:plugins shows a slew of them, including the flash player, and i can again play flash video thanx again to all of you sc -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

05:37

New subject: [solved] Re: [opensuse] Re: flash is so not idiot-proof

On 10/01/12 16:28, sc wrote:

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On Monday, January 09, 2012 21:48:30 Charles Philip Chan wrote:

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sc writes:

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but still all embedded flash content gives the same "you need to install a flash player" message Try: (1) Uninstall the Flash package. (2) Delete any extra files with "flashplayer" in its name in "/usr/lib/browser-plugins" and "/usr/lib64/browser-plugins". (3) Reinstall Flash. i'd like to thank everyone who tried to help

it turns out i was led down the garden path by firefox itself -- when i upgraded to 9.0 from the suse repository it came up with a message telling me i should upgrade to the latest version from mozilla -- i did that, upgrading to 9.0.1 and that's when my problems began

9.0.1 won't run the latest flash plugin, or any other of my plugins

i re-installed firefox 9.0 using yast and now about:plugins shows a slew of them, including the flash player, and i can again play flash video

thanx again to all of you

sc

Most interesting....I am running Firefox 9.0.1, repeat 9.0.1, and everything is working AOK: all videos being displayed by Flash 11.1 with the greatest of ease. BC -- What religion were Adam and Eve? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carl Hartung

05:47

New subject: [solved] Re: [opensuse] Re: flash is so not idiot-proof

On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:37:11 +1100 Basil Chupin wrote: 8<---- snipped ----

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Most interesting....I am running Firefox 9.0.1, repeat 9.0.1, and everything is working AOK: all videos being displayed by Flash 11.1 with the greatest of ease.

BC

Could this be because you've installed one correctly packaged for the distribution and not followed a Firefox 'download latest version' link? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carl Hartung

06:18

New subject: [solved] Re: [opensuse] Re: flash is so not idiot-proof

On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 00:47:53 -0500 Carl Hartung wrote:

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On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:37:11 +1100 Basil Chupin wrote: 8<---- snipped ----

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Most interesting....I am running Firefox 9.0.1, repeat 9.0.1, and everything is working AOK: all videos being displayed by Flash 11.1 with the greatest of ease.

BC

Could this be because you've installed one correctly packaged for the distribution and not followed a Firefox 'download latest version' link?

This had to have been the difference, Basil. I'd neglected to add the upstream openSUSE 'Mozilla' repository, also. Like the OP, I only had an 'official' package for Firefox at 9.0 available. Once I added the upstream Mozilla repository for 11.4, the distribution I'm running: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/openSUSE_11.4 9.0.1 became available to install. I have just installed it and my plug-ins are working fine. That's the difference between installing a generic package from an outside source vs. installing one correctly packaged for your distribution. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

06:32

New subject: [solved] Re: [opensuse] Re: flash is so not idiot-proof

On 10/01/12 17:18, Carl Hartung wrote:

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On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 00:47:53 -0500 Carl Hartung wrote:

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Most interesting....I am running Firefox 9.0.1, repeat 9.0.1, and everything is working AOK: all videos being displayed by Flash 11.1 with the greatest of ease.

BC Could this be because you've installed one correctly packaged for the distribution and not followed a Firefox 'download latest version'

On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:37:11 +1100 Basil Chupin wrote: 8<---- snipped ---- link? This had to have been the difference, Basil. I'd neglected to add the upstream openSUSE 'Mozilla' repository, also. Like the OP, I only had an 'official' package for Firefox at 9.0 available. Once I added the upstream Mozilla repository for 11.4, the distribution I'm running:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/openSUSE_11.4

9.0.1 became available to install. I have just installed it and my plug-ins are working fine.

That's the difference between installing a generic package from an outside source vs. installing one correctly packaged for your distribution.

Ah, I see. I automatically select the Mozilla repo after I do an install so that is why I have FF v9.0.1 as you mention. BC -- What religion were Adam and Eve? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

06:52

On 2012/01/10 01:18 (GMT-0500) Carl Hartung composed:

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Could this be because you've installed one correctly packaged for the distribution and not followed a Firefox 'download latest version' link?

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This had to have been the difference, Basil. I'd neglected to add the upstream openSUSE 'Mozilla' repository, also. Like the OP, I only had an 'official' package for Firefox at 9.0 available. Once I added the upstream Mozilla repository for 11.4, the distribution I'm running:

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http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/openSUSE_11.4

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9.0.1 became available to install. I have just installed it and my plug-ins are working fine.

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That's the difference between installing a generic package from an outside source vs. installing one correctly packaged for your distribution.

Lest anyone believe it dangerous or unwise to run anything but openSUSE packaged versions on 11.4 or any other openSUSE release, I've been running multiple versions for close to a decade. Virtually constantly I have open 9.0.1, 3.6.24 & 2.0.0.20, plus SeaMonkey 2.6.1 & 2.7beta<latest> simultaneously, with at least 80 tabs among them. Only 3.6.24 & 2.6.1 are "installed" from any openSUSE repo. The rest come from Mozilla.org mirrors ready to extract and run. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carl Hartung

11:44

On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 01:52:52 -0500 Felix Miata wrote: 8<---- snipped ----

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Lest anyone believe it dangerous or unwise to run anything but openSUSE packaged versions on 11.4 or any other openSUSE release, I've been running multiple versions for close to a decade. Virtually constantly I have open 9.0.1, 3.6.24 & 2.0.0.20, plus SeaMonkey 2.6.1 & 2.7beta<latest> simultaneously, with at least 80 tabs among them. Only 3.6.24 & 2.6.1 are "installed" from any openSUSE repo. The rest come from Mozilla.org mirrors ready to extract and run.

No one said it can't be done, Felix. That's not the point and you know it. Why do you keep dropping irrelevant side comments into my posts? It's getting very annoying. Please stop. Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

06:28

New subject: [solved] Re: [opensuse] Re: flash is so not idiot-proof

On 10/01/12 16:47, Carl Hartung wrote:

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On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:37:11 +1100 Basil Chupin wrote: 8<---- snipped ----

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Most interesting....I am running Firefox 9.0.1, repeat 9.0.1, and everything is working AOK: all videos being displayed by Flash 11.1 with the greatest of ease.

BC Could this be because you've installed one correctly packaged for the distribution and not followed a Firefox 'download latest version' link?

Well, now you have me...... :-) . The Software Manager shows that the URL for what I am running is www.mozilla.org. (I regularly have installed the Nighlty builds of FF and the only thing to watch out for there is that the symlink(s) point to the correct directory for the plugin - eg, flash. Get this wrong and no flashy-flashy :-( .) BC -- What religion were Adam and Eve? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carl Hartung

05:38

New subject: [solved] Re: [opensuse] Re: flash is so not idiot-proof

On Mon, 9 Jan 2012 23:28:03 -0600 sc wrote: 8<---- snipped ----

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i'd like to thank everyone who tried to help

it turns out i was led down the garden path by firefox itself -- when i upgraded to 9.0 from the suse repository it came up with a message telling me i should upgrade to the latest version from mozilla -- i did that, upgrading to 9.0.1 and that's when my problems began

9.0.1 won't run the latest flash plugin, or any other of my plugins

i re-installed firefox 9.0 using yast and now about:plugins shows a slew of them, including the flash player, and i can again play flash video

thanx again to all of you

sc

Nice job sticking with it and keeping your cool ;-) Congrats! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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