Keith Warno writes:

Nutscrape Discombobulator, AKA Ballscratch vs Internut Exploder

Choose your poison.

Regarding Opera, well hey, it's kewl to see another option added to the list of disaster browsers. I have not used Opera myself so I can't say anything about its performance; all I know is it's commercial and strictly adheres to W3C standards. License fees are always frowned upon, and to pay for software to surf the web?!? Ya gotta be kidding. Regarding strict adherance to W3C standards, well hey, this is great for pages that haven't been written yet. But what about all the crappy pages already out there that aren't W3C compliant? Are they gonna be rewritten to be "best viewed with Opera"?

Well its performance is good, but I understand what you are saying. There is a browser tug of war being played by Microsloth and Nutscrape and each is trying to define there own standards. In my opinion I think they should just drop the W3C and go with something like flash (vectorable presentation). Flash has the ability to do far more than HTML (CSS, templates, javascript, HTML1, HTML2, HTML3, HTML4, etc, etc, etc), Without all of the inconsistencies. I'm no flash advocate I just enjoy a good site.

Probably not.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Marlin" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 9:30 AM Subject: [SLE] Save the Netscapes

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Hello everyone

I know this is off topic, but I urgently need help to prevent my company from dropping Netscape in favour of IE (horror)

Therefore I would like to ask if anyone knows websites that don't work

Guy Van Sanden writes: properly

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with IE or better even, don't work at all with it.

Unfortunately I think it will be much easier to find sites that Netscape crashes on. I know a lot of em. It really is painful to browse in Linux and kdm is not any better. I use lynx when I want stability.

Opera will be releasing a beta soon for linux (www.opera.com). I think this will be a good replacement for nutscrape.

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Also known bugs (preferably security) in the latest versions (4-5) would

be

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helpfull.

You can also mail me directly at my work: guy.vansanden@siemens.atea.be

Thaks for any help you can offer.

Kind regards

Guy

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Jack Barnett writes:

----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Marlin To: Keith Warno Cc: Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [SLE] Save the Netscapes

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Nutscrape Discombobulator, AKA Ballscratch vs Internut Exploder

Choose your poison.

Regarding Opera, well hey, it's kewl to see another option added to the

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of disaster browsers. I have not used Opera myself so I can't say anything about its performance; all I know is it's commercial and strictly adheres to W3C standards. License fees are always frowned upon, and to pay for software to surf the web?!? Ya gotta be kidding. Regarding strict adherance to W3C standards, well hey, this is great for pages that haven't been written yet. But what about all the crappy pages already out

Keith Warno writes: list there

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that aren't W3C compliant? Are they gonna be rewritten to be "best viewed with Opera"?

Well its performance is good, but I understand what you are saying. There is a browser tug of war being played by Microsloth and Nutscrape and each is trying to define there own standards. In my opinion I think they should just drop the W3C and go with something like flash (vectorable presentation). Flash has the ability to do far more than HTML (CSS, templates, javascript, HTML1, HTML2, HTML3, HTML4, etc, etc, etc), Without all of the inconsistencies. I'm no flash advocate I just enjoy a good site.

Flash is a "closed" standard though. With HTML, javascript, they are more "open" to the community. If someone finds a bug or would like to add something to HTML specs, there is a proctrocol and a way to go about it. If there is a bug in flash or you would like to add a fearture to it, you are at the mecry of macromedia.

I meant somebody going to the effort of coming out with a open vectorable presentation package like Flash. Something that encompasses all of the aspects of HTML in a nice neat package.

Plus HTML can be done by anyone in vi to create their personal or professinal web page, and they are free to do so. If you want to do

Keeping HTML is a must, obviously. It has its benefits. Webpages have evolved from information oriented to interactive/presentation oriented. HTML has tried to adapt, but interactive webpages were never a part of the original HTML standard. The whole premise of HTML is, you describe the page, but we are not going to tell you how it is has to look. That has changed somewhat with the advent of templates, but the problem is a company or person wants a web page to look a certain way on every browser, and that just isn't possible with HTML.

something with flash, you have to first find a platforms that it runs on without crashing every 7 minutes, then you have to pay a HUGE licensing fee if you are a commerical company, and for what? When people go to view the site in lynx, opera or a browser that doesn't have to flash plugin installed, it either crashes the browser, looks like junk or takes 30 minutes of the users time while they install a plugin just to view your site. If you used standard HTML they would be able to view the site without all this fuss of installing a plugin, broken up html and having to restart their web browser, with HTML, it is there and it works no matter what platform or browser you are using.

Go with something standard.

But back to the original post. IE has kept up where netscape has not. This is probably in a large part due to the vast staff of programmers Microsoft has at its disposal. I am just tired of every version of netscape crashing on me. It is wrought with memory leaks. I have had it consume (128 + 256) MBs of memory and bring linux to its knees, ugghhh.

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Probably not.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Marlin" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 9:30 AM Subject: [SLE] Save the Netscapes

Guy Van Sanden writes:

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Hello everyone

I know this is off topic, but I urgently need help to prevent my

...

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dropping Netscape in favour of IE (horror)

Therefore I would like to ask if anyone knows websites that don't work

from properly

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with IE or better even, don't work at all with it.

Unfortunately I think it will be much easier to find sites that Netscape crashes on. I know a lot of em. It really is painful to browse in Linux and kdm is not any better. I use lynx when I want stability.

Opera will be releasing a beta soon for linux (www.opera.com). I think

company this

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will be a good replacement for nutscrape.

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Also known bugs (preferably security) in the latest versions (4-5)

would be

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helpfull.

You can also mail me directly at my work: guy.vansanden@siemens.atea.be

Thaks for any help you can offer.

Kind regards

Guy

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