Re: [opensuse] 42.2 Live DVD with KDE
First of all, thank you for all of your responses :) In reply to Richard Brown:
Do you realise that YOU are part of the openSUSE Team also? ;)
The 'open' in 'openSUSE' isn't just there for fun, it's really true - any and every contributor is part of the 'openSUSE Team'.
I have never thought of myself as a "contributor". Some days ago, I was just an openSUSE "user". Now that I said "I'm available, I'm here to help", I'm excited to think that I'm an openSUSE Team member! :-D
The reason we do not do official Leap Live media is because no one has been willing to do the work required to make it fully supportable.
I think Live media are important, I want to do that, now openSUSE has got me! ;-)
All of this work is you can do as part of the openSUSE Project, you do not need to go off and do it on your own.
It's just that I want to do things my way and then contribute back to openSUSE. I imagined working that way: let's say I finished that LiveDVD, it's working, it's functional. Then I would call the openSUSE Project, send my LiveDVD code, and say: "Do you want that? If you think that's useful for the Project, let's work on it to make it official (or integrate it into the existing official)". Maybe the openSUSE Team would add or remove some things, but my version of the LiveDVD would still be there on my website available for download, for those who think it would be more appropriate for their needs. Diversity also strengthens Linux :-) To illustrate what I say: the version of Wine available on the official Leap 42.1 repos is not the newest one. The openSUSE Team decided that was the best version to ship with Leap 42.1 and they did it. Personally, I think the best version of Wine to use is always the latest version, because Wine is kind of a reverse engineering, trial and error project, they evolve every day. So, I would distribute Leap 42.1 with the newest version taken from the Wine OBS project instead: https://github.com/kamarada/kiwi-config-Kamarada/commit/4ed4438409901f938d6f... And I would rebuild that Live image every month or so, to assure everyone downloading it would always use the latest packages available. Note that I include the Update repo on my config.xml file: https://github.com/kamarada/kiwi-config-Kamarada/commit/d58c37448adb521db433... And I always name my ISO images with the date they were built: https://sourceforge.net/projects/kamarada/files/distribution/leap/42.1/iso/o... https://sourceforge.net/projects/kamarada/files/distribution/leap/42.2-Alpha... I've been experimenting with openSUSE, KDE, OBS and KIWI for a while. In the past, I even thought about customizing the whole desktop appearance and launching kind of a spin-off of the openSUSE Linux distribution: https://github.com/kamarada/branding-Kamarada/commits/13.2 https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:kamarada:Playground/branding-Ka... https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=858812 I gave it away. It was much work to just one person. Besides that, openSUSE is already very beautiful and complete, there's no much to add. Since Leap 42.1, I decided to spread and contribute to it: https://kamarada.github.io/ But I still want to distribute it someway different than the original, mainly customizing the software selection and some settings, that's why I want to have my own LiveDVD. ^_^
I also know of others who are working on this for Leap 42.2 already.
I want to get in touch with them, let's work together! :-D
Your best bet would be to discuss your progress so far and what next steps on the correct mailinglist - that would be opensuse-factory@opensuse.org
I will do it.
I wrote a blog about this a few months back, might be good reading if you feel you need a little more direction about how to get started as an 'official' contributor - https://rootco.de/2016-04-03-opensuse-and-you/
Thank you for the direction, I'm going to read it!
Thanks for your work so far,
And thank you for the great distro I use for 4 years now! :-D Replying to the rest of you, I've seen you started a discussion about Live USB sticks being distributed (or not) in SUSE events. Well, I can't add much to that discussion, because I've never been to such events, but let me say the cheapest USB stick here in Brazil, which is already enough to store a Live persistent system, is 8GB and it's fairly easy to find by R$ 20,00 (something between $5 and $7). That's the price for the final consumer, which includes importation taxes (we don't make it here), public taxes (one of the higher, if not the highest, in the world) and, of course, the profit of the seller, distributor, manufacturer... so, I believe an USB stick is indeed a cheap technology. I cannot opine, however, if SUSE has conditions of distributing openSUSE in USB sticks during events. Thank you for your attention, Antonio Medeiros The Linux Kamarada Project -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Antonio, ---- Replying to the rest of you, I've seen you started a discussion about Live USB sticks being distributed (or not) in SUSE events. Well, I can't add much to that discussion, because I've never been to such events, but let me say the cheapest USB stick here in Brazil, which is already enough to store a Live persistent system, is 8GB and it's fairly easy to find by R$ 20,00 (something between $5 and $7). That's the price for the final consumer, which includes importation taxes (we don't make it here), public taxes (one of the higher, if not the highest, in the world) and, of course, the profit of the seller, distributor, manufacturer... so, I believe an USB stick is indeed a cheap technology. I cannot opine, however, if SUSE has conditions of distributing openSUSE in USB sticks during events. ---- About this point , I’m trying to find a cheap and good quality of USB vendor to do a quote. I’m working with Doug (Thanks a lot) to make openSUSE stuffs in Brazil with a “good price”, using local vendors, but we didn’t talk about USB sticks yet, so, I believe we can do this with your a openSUSE live image. Do you want make some presentation about your work with openSUSE’s livedvd? I can help you if you want. I think this could be a initial step to find more people to help. So, please contact me if you need any help here in Brazil. Congratz and good job! Best regards, AslanN�����r��y隊Z)z{.�ﮞ˛���m�)z{.��+�: �{Zr�az�'z��j)h���Ǿ� ޮ�^�ˬz��
On 08/28/2016 05:19 PM, Aslan Ramos wrote:
et me say the cheapest USB stick here in Brazil, which is already enough to store a Live persistent system, is 8GB and it's fairly easy to find by R$ 20,00 (something between $5 and $7). That's the price for the final consumer, which includes importation taxes (we don't make it here), public taxes (one of the higher, if not the highest, in the world) and, of course, the profit of the seller, distributor, manufacturer...
I worked my way though university vacations so as to fund the studies, and a most part of that was working in retail stores. I'm sure many here have similar experiences, and further, have extended something similar into their adult life. I did observe that the store had to "pay the rent", as well as my wages and a dividend to the investors. I saw retail mark-up that varied between 100% and 1,000% depending on (a) popularity of the item, a trade-off between "all the market could bear" and "competition"[1] on the one hand and 9B0 how quickly the item moved though the sales pipeline. Despite what the business schools and text-books say, there was a lot of intuition involved. As Aslan point out, there is a pipeline before the item gets to the stores. That too involves storage space, handling equipment, wages of the people involved. Not just the importer's warehouse, but the shipping containers and handling. All in all it means that for the $7 he pays the FOB manufacturer is around $10 or less. Even so, what's the minimum quality needed for marketing material? Remember, I started talking about this from a marketing POV and some of those 2G sticks from 5 years ago are dying. A Kingston or SansDisk is one thing; "yer bog standard bit of junk" for marketing is another. I see 64G sticks advertised on eBay for about C$7. Are they really re-branded 8G devices that a proper scan with F3 -- http://oss.digirati.com.br/f3/ -- will uncover? BTDT, yes, but also got some 32G and 64G chips for my phone and camera that were good deals. YMMV. At least eBay offers a guarantee in the face of fly-by-night vendors. All the same, while a reasonable size USB is nice for experimenting with LiveLinux I use the more proven technology of 5G DVDs for my weekly backups. Adequate Quality DVDs for this purpose are around $0.05 each retail. Yes higher quality ones are 10x or 20x that. Again YMMV. So we have classes of usage: marketing, distribution, experimentation, backup. perhaps when QA and familiarity has driven the price of good devices down those boundaries will blur and become irrelevant. [1] I suggest you look up the term "Oligopoly" -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday 28 August 2016 14:19:01 Linux Kamarada wrote:
[…] But I still want to distribute it someway different than the original, mainly customizing the software selection and some settings, that's why I want to have my own LiveDVD. ^_^
I also know of others who are working on this for Leap 42.2 already.
I want to get in touch with them, let's work together! :-D
Also see https://en.opensuse.org/Derivatives#Other_community_live_CDs especially the link to "openSUSE Leap 42.1 live cds". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, people! I have good and bad news today. The latest release of my Live image is based on Leap 42.2 Beta 1:
- Download of ISO image: https://sourceforge.net/projects/kamarada/files/latest/download
- KIWI source: https://github.com/kamarada/kiwi-config-Kamarada/tree/42.2
I've got to solve one of its issues:
3) LiveDVD asks for root password although it is empty (a Live media I've made previously for Leap 42.1 was not affected by that issue)
A Brazilian guy who is subscribed to this mailing list suggested me taking a look at the openSUSE Tumbleweed LiveDVD. I inspected its KIWI source: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/openSUSE:Factory:Live/kiwi-config-op... And I found a command that was missing in my config.sh script. Detailed info about the issue and its solution you can find here: https://github.com/kamarada/kiwi-config-Kamarada/issues/3 The other 2 issues are still open, though. Richard Brown:
Your best bet would be to discuss your progress so far and what next steps on the correct mailinglist - that would be opensuse-factory@opensuse.org
I will do it.
I subscribed to the openSUSE Factory mailing list and mailed them: https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2016-09/msg00066.html But nobody has answered me there yet :( Oliver Kurz:
I also know of others who are working on this for Leap 42.2 already.
I want to get in touch with them, let's work together! :-D
Also see https://en.opensuse.org/Derivatives#Other_community_live_CDs especially the link to "openSUSE Leap 42.1 live cds".
Thank you for that link. I downloaded all of those Live images, tried them on VirtualBox, and guess what? I found out that my issues are not only mine. Let's recap them: https://github.com/kamarada/kiwi-config-Kamarada/issues
1) I'm unable to ping, when I try to do so I get the following error message:
ping: error while loading shared libraries: libcap.so.2: cannot stat shared object: Permission denied
Also suffer from that issue: - openSUSE Argon (as of 30-Aug-2016) - GeckoLinux Plasma Stable - Lietukas On the other hand, I can successfully ping using any of these: - GNOME:Next - openSUSE Krypton (as of 31-Aug-2016) - Marble in a Box - Gears on Gallium - KDE 5 by kolAflash I will study their sources to try to understand why some can ping and why some cannot. Also, I will get in touch with their developers to see if we can work around that issue together.
2) Live system loses keyboard configuration after initial setup, it looks like YaST Firstboot does not store the keyboard layout I select
Among those images, KDE 5 by kolAflash and Lietukas were the only ones to use YaST Firstboot. Using both, if I select Portuguese (Brazilian) as both my language and keyboard layout, the translation is applied, but the keyboard layout is not. I reported that issue in detail to the YaST Firstboot project at GitHub some time ago, but nobody has answered me yet: https://github.com/yast/yast-firstboot/issues/33 Maybe should I report that issue in another place? Any help would be really appreciated. Thank you once more! Antonio The Linux Kamarada Project https://kamarada.github.io/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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