Well I took the bite and upgraded from 13.2 all the way to 42.2 as Tumbleweed. For the most part it has gone well, or well enough. I have a few complaints about the look and feel; "Oxygen" isn't the same and the GTK3 took some tweaking to bring back the end arrows on the scroll bars. I haven't figured that for the rest of KDE. But a show-stopper is the printer. It worked fine and was set up with no problems in 13.2 but won't function in 42.2/Tumbleweed. The 5170DN is a postscript printer and I seem to recall reading that the new openSuse standard is for the print system to be PDF based not postscript based. I don't know how to get round that. Well OK I could if this was a pure UNIX SVR2 but it isn't, its CUPS. I also saw mention that the PPD/drivers were 32-bit. The 13.2 system was 64-bit but that worked. OK, so I put back the libstdc++6-32bit and restarted CUPS. Still no joy. I deleted the printers and reinstalled using YAST. This is a network connected printer. From within YAST the test page prints OK, but I then subsequently can't print from any application or use 'lp' to print any page as I once could. ----------------- Considering the postscript/PDF change I've considered :- a) use the print dialogue to save the page as a .ps in /tmp b) use netcat to squirt the .ps to port 515 of the printer. No, that can't be right, surely there's a handshake/dialogue/wrapper? ----------------- Have I been misled? Am I making some wrong assumptions? In the past CUPS and Yast have "just worked" and I've never had any problems. Perhaps I should have stuck with 13.2 despite the EOL. After all, it worked and I had no complaints. I'm not sure that I can roll back not that the various repositories have been deleted. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 28/02/17 08:18 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Anton Aylward [02-28-17 08:11]:

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Well I took the bite and upgraded from 13.2 all the way to 42.2 as Tumbleweed. For the most part it has gone well, or well enough.

how did you do that, Tw != 42.2, *completely* different! or does <user> = Tumbleweed.

If you're asking what repositories I used, then its a mix, as always. I have some of the KDE Framework and QT5, and those certainly are 422; some media specific. I've locked out some of the Gnome. And of course I have Packman as Tumbleweed but its a bit vacated at the moment :-) Simply put: not all the repositories I use have a "tumbleweed" option. But CUPS itself is from OpenSuse Factory Snapshot Ver 2.1.3 I also have CUPS-backends from same Do you want to ask that as a more specific question? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 28/02/17 08:40 AM, jdd wrote:

I don't know for your printer, but I just fixed over the phone a printer problem of a friend of mine (his was HP laser color), simply making use of the default cups postscript driver. The simpler the better :-) - on 42.2.

I agree with KISS :-) But I don't see a 'default' Postscript for this model. Where do I look for that? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 28/02/17 10:56 AM, jdd wrote:

postscript is postscript, not model specific

Well yes, within a 99% match.

O have two for your printer in my ppd folder (/usr/share/cups/model/OpenPrintingPPDs/postscript/)

I already have, therein Brother-HL-5170DN.Postscript-Brother.ppd.gz Brother-HL-5170DN.Postscript.ppd.gz but thank you anyway. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 28/02/17 08:50 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

It is either 42.2 or Tumbleweed. Both, impossible. So, which one do you have?

cat /etc/os-release or similar name.

# cat /etc/os-release NAME="openSUSE Tumbleweed" # VERSION="20170219" ID=opensuse ID_LIKE="suse" VERSION_ID="20170219" But as I said in my reply to Patrick, not all the repositories I use have a 'Tumbeweed' -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 28/02/17 09:26 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

You should use only Tumbleweed repos, none from 42.2.

Yah! Bull! I never did with any previous revision when people told me that. There are plenty of other repositories with specialized applications - my main one is photography - where the developers are way ahead of anything Suse offers!

You don't say anything about the cups service being running or not.

Rereading my OP I thought I made it clear that I was using CUPS. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 28/02/17 09:36 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

Yes do use all the repos you wish, but use the TW version.

... except where there isn't one ...

...

...

You don't say anything about the cups service being running or not. Rereading my OP I thought I made it clear that I was using CUPS. I repeat: IS THE SERVICE STARTED? IS IT RUNNING?

Yes. How else could I have printed the test page? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:

On 28/02/17 09:26 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

...

You should use only Tumbleweed repos, none from 42.2.

Yah! Bull! I never did with any previous revision when people told me that. There are plenty of other repositories with specialized applications - my main one is photography - where the developers are way ahead of anything Suse offers!

Then get them to add Tumbleweed as a build target. It's just a few clicks for them to do. If they have no Tumbleweed consumers they shouldn't build for Tumbleweed, but even one consumer (you) justifies it in my mind.

...

You don't say anything about the cups service being running or not.

Rereading my OP I thought I made it clear that I was using CUPS.

He saying there is a bug in CUPS where you enable it via Yast, but it doesn't run. He wants you to verify the service is actually running, as opposed to selected. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward composed on 2017-02-28 08:08 (UTC-0500):

Well I took the bite and upgraded from 13.2 all the way to 42.2 as Tumbleweed. For the most part it has gone well, or well enough.

In one jump from 13.2 to TW? Stopover in 42.2 on the way to TW? Offline, or with zypper?

I have a few complaints about the look and feel; "Oxygen" isn't the same and the GTK3 took some tweaking to bring back the end arrows on the scroll bars. I haven't figured that for the rest of KDE.

Please provide specifics for restoring the end arrows. Firefox 46 & up (built with GTK3) and SeaMonkey >2.40 are unusable here because those are missing.

But a show-stopper is the printer. It worked fine and was set up with no problems in 13.2 but won't function in 42.2/Tumbleweed.

The 5170DN is a postscript printer and I seem to recall reading that the new openSuse standard is for the print system to be PDF based not postscript based. I don't know how to get round that.

Well OK I could if this was a pure UNIX SVR2 but it isn't, its CUPS.

I also saw mention that the PPD/drivers were 32-bit. The 13.2 system was 64-bit but that worked. OK, so I put back the libstdc++6-32bit and restarted CUPS.

Still no joy.

I deleted the printers and reinstalled using YAST. This is a network connected printer. From within YAST the test page prints OK, but I then subsequently can't print from any application or use 'lp' to print any page as I once could.

----------------- Considering the postscript/PDF change I've considered :- a) use the print dialogue to save the page as a .ps in /tmp b) use netcat to squirt the .ps to port 515 of the printer.

No, that can't be right, surely there's a handshake/dialogue/wrapper? -----------------

Have I been misled? Am I making some wrong assumptions? In the past CUPS and Yast have "just worked" and I've never had any problems. Perhaps I should have stuck with 13.2 despite the EOL. After all, it worked and I had no complaints. I'm not sure that I can roll back not that the various repositories have been deleted.

I haven't tried printer setup on any 42.2 installations, and don't remember anything about printer setup on any of my TW installations, even if I did any. I don't print much. But ethernet printing works fine here on 42.1 with my HL-5470DN using the 32-bit software and instructions from Brother's web site: # rpm -qa | sort | egrep 'hl5|cups' cups-1.7.5-7.1.x86_64 cups-client-1.7.5-7.1.x86_64 cups-filters-1.0.58-12.1.x86_64 cups-filters-cups-browsed-1.0.58-12.1.x86_64 cups-filters-foomatic-rip-1.0.58-12.1.x86_64 cups-filters-ghostscript-1.0.58-12.1.x86_64 cups-libs-1.7.5-7.1.x86_64 cups-pk-helper-0.2.5-5.1.x86_64 cups-pk-helper-lang-0.2.5-5.1.noarch hl5470dwcupswrapper-3.0.0-1.i386 hl5470dwlpr-3.0.0-1.i386 python-cups-1.9.72-2.2.x86_64 python-cupshelpers-1.5.7-3.6.noarch python3-cups-1.9.72-3.2.x86_64 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward composed on 2017-02-28 10:50 (UTC-0500):

Felix Miata wrote:

...

Please provide specifics for restoring the end arrows. Firefox 46 & up (built with GTK3) and SeaMonkey >2.40 are unusable here because those are missing.

I found that with some (creative) googleing.

Add to the usedef/css:

"Usedef"?

$ cat ./.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css *{ -GtkScrollbar-has-backward-stepper: 1; -GtkScrollbar-has-forward-stepper: 1; -GtkRange-slider-width: 13; -GtkRange-stepper-size: 13; }

Merci beaucoup!

You'll need to restart FF/TB.

There are probably other places you can add that. YMMV but that seems global for GTK3.

"Global" would be someplace in /usr/local/ or /etc/ instead of ~/, easier to spread across a fleet of installations and users. It's what I would like but have had no luck locating. Any chance you can provide the URI that gave you your more localized answer?

The "*" is more global than any side panel etc etc etc.

I'm still trying to find out how to add it back to the KDE.

Why oh why do the developers think that taking them out somehow added to usability?

Isn't newer always a better idea? :-p Have you tried clicking within the GTK3 scroll area yet? You might want this: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Ui.scrollToClick If you think missing arrows or spot sensitive scroll clicks are GTK3 regressions, try switching to and from a HiDPI display in KDE or TDE (all about shrunken UI fonts, and open or WONTFIX): https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757142 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=367499 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269274 https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1022830 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1420743 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 28/02/17 09:41 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

I haven't tried printer setup on any 42.2 installations, and don't remember anything about printer setup on any of my TW installations, even if I did any. I don't print much. But ethernet printing works fine here on 42.1 with my HL-5470DN using the 32-bit software and instructions from Brother's web site:

Its a nice printer. I got a great deal on refills and a new drum a couple of yeas back and am still working my way through the closet full of cartridges and the original drum is still doing fine. Brother makes good printers :-)

# rpm -qa | sort | egrep 'hl5|cups' cups-1.7.5-7.1.x86_64

cups-2.1.3-3.1.x86_64

cups-client-1.7.5-7.1.x86_64

cups-backends-1.1-4.2.noarch cups-client-2.1.3-3.1.x86_64

cups-filters-1.0.58-12.1.x86_64

cups-filters-1.13.3-1.1.x86_64

cups-filters-cups-browsed-1.0.58-12.1.x86_64

cups-filters-cups-browsed-1.13.3-1.1.x86_64

cups-filters-foomatic-rip-1.0.58-12.1.x86_64 cups-filters-ghostscript-1.0.58-12.1.x86_64

cups-filters-foomatic-rip-1.13.3-1.1.x86_64 cups-filters-ghostscript-1.13.3-1.1.x86_64

cups-libs-1.7.5-7.1.x86_64

cups-libs-2.1.3-3.1.x86_64 but also cups-pdf-3.0.0-1.1.x86_64

cups-pk-helper-0.2.5-5.1.x86_64 cups-pk-helper-lang-0.2.5-5.1.noarch

cups-pk-helper-0.2.6-1.5.x86_64 python3-cups-1.9.72-1.8.x86_64 python3-cupshelpers-1.5.7-9.4.noarch

hl5470dwcupswrapper-3.0.0-1.i386 hl5470dwlpr-3.0.0-1.i386

Where do those come from? The CD? Oh, right: http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadtop.aspx?c=us_ot&lang=en&prod=hl5170dn_all

python-cups-1.9.72-2.2.x86_64 python-cupshelpers-1.5.7-3.6.noarch python3-cups-1.9.72-3.2.x86_64

python3-cups-1.9.72-1.8.x86_64 python3-cupshelpers-1.5.7-9.4.noarch .... to be continued after experimentation ... -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 28/02/2017 à 20:43, Anton Aylward a écrit :

I chose socket:<ip address of printer on the LAN>

it's the best option. I don't remember if one need to add the :9100, only that one of the two options (adding or don't) prevent it to work

I think the problem lies in CUPS. My highly developed spider sense leads me to suspect that.

I always use localhost:6100 (cups) to make the config. I read at a moment here than the yast module is no more maintained and anyway it's worst than cups. I mean after having used the brother script you also can do some setups there jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward composed on 2017-02-28 14:43 (UTC-0500): ...

BUT, and this is a killing BUT .... the status says

Idle - "Waiting for printer to finish."...

Check if /etc/papersize exists. Try making one if it doesn't. Mine is 7 bytes containing letter\n. If using Plasma, check in systemsettings5 >> (region/locale) to see if (like KDE3) it has its own paper format setting somewhere set appropriately. I looked and don't see one, but I'm not sure the whole list of possibilities is populated. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 28/02/17 19:43, Anton Aylward wrote:

BUT, and this is a killing BUT .... the status says

Idle - "Waiting for printer to finish."

So I flutz around. Other than restarting CUPS or deleting the printer it insists on that and won't print any more. Not even if I set up another printer.

This is the standard state for my HP printer. Indeed, it seems normal for most of them. ime this is totally harmless - ymmv. Cheers, Wol -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2017-02-28 17:45, Anton Aylward wrote:

Its a nice printer. I got a great deal on refills and a new drum a couple of yeas back and am still working my way through the closet full of cartridges and the original drum is still doing fine. Brother makes good printers :-)

But little Linux support, as you can see. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2017-02-28 17:45, Anton Aylward wrote:

...

Its a nice printer. I got a great deal on refills and a new drum a couple of yeas back and am still working my way through the closet full of cartridges and the original drum is still doing fine. Brother makes good printers :-)

But little Linux support, as you can see.

I just bought one for a Windows/Mac shop. So far I'm not impressed in the Windows environment either. It does seem to work well with Macs. fyi: In Windows it is really slow and the duplex mode doesn't print with the text flipped on the long edge. Very annoying. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward composed on 2017-02-28 08:08 (UTC-0500): ...

The 5170DN is a postscript printer and I seem to recall reading that the new openSuse standard is for the print system to be PDF based not postscript based. I don't know how to get round that. ... I deleted the printers and reinstalled using YAST. This is a network connected printer. From within YAST the test page prints OK, but I then subsequently can't print from any application or use 'lp' to print any page as I once could. ..

I now remember having this same problem on multiple machines. Searching my email archive I see the thread with first of the following most likely to be of any potential use to you: https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2016-01/msg00318.html https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2016-01/msg00071.html https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2016-01/msg00119.html https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-06/msg00324.html -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org