Hi It's a fact that sometimes some of the best sales people are the customers, At this point in time I would like more friends to go Linux, but all the problem I have would now never recommend SuSE, It all started through no fault of Suse, the mouse port on my computer packed up, then soon had other problems, I tried to change things in SAX then go and save, but then a message would come up nothing to save, So then I went though to Keyboard, monitor and saved that way, I could never find out how to do a mouse text in SAX, So then I booted up with CD#1 and went through the motion and ended up at one stage getting into a endless loop, then after "hoping" I fixed something it would only boot to "LI" not "LILO" Email, Netscape would send mail, but would shut down when I went to try and get mail, another Email program in Suse 6.4 would receive mail but would not send any mail. Printer, I was unable to set up my old "RELIABLE" dot matrix printer, Mandrake picked it up no problem Network, I was never able to see another computer from Linux but could easily go from windows into Suse & even more easily see Windows to Windows Their is other things that bug me, that really make a getting into Linux a pain in the neck, if we are going to recommend Linux to our friends they need to be listed to by the Linux distributors
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Hi It's a fact that sometimes some of the best sales people are the customers, At this point in time I would like more friends to go Linux, but all the problem I have would now never recommend SuSE,
It all started through no fault of Suse, the mouse port on my computer packed up, then soon had other problems, I tried to change things in SAX then go and save, but then a message would come up nothing to save, So
I did the other way round, though I still keeping Mandrake 7.1, but I don't think I will use it, at least for now. Why? simple, I found out that SuSE is very much more stable than LM7.1. :-) Bye now. Dennis @Singapore then
I went though to Keyboard, monitor and saved that way, I could never find out how to do a mouse text in SAX, So then I booted up with CD#1 and went through the motion and ended up at one stage getting into a endless loop, then after "hoping" I fixed something it would only boot to "LI" not "LILO"
Email, Netscape would send mail, but would shut down when I went to try and get mail, another Email program in Suse 6.4 would receive mail but would not send any mail.
Printer, I was unable to set up my old "RELIABLE" dot matrix printer, Mandrake picked it up no problem
Network, I was never able to see another computer from Linux but could easily go from windows into Suse & even more easily see Windows to Windows
Their is other things that bug me, that really make a getting into Linux a pain in the neck, if we are going to recommend Linux to our friends they need to be listed to by the Linux distributors
From Eric
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Eric Richards wrote:
Hi It's a fact that sometimes some of the best sales people are the customers, At this point in time I would like more friends to go Linux, but all the problem I have would now never recommend SuSE,
Personally, I think you are making a mistake, but that's your choice :-)
It all started through no fault of Suse, the mouse port on my computer packed up, then soon had other problems, I tried to change things in SAX then go and save, but then a message would come up nothing to save, So then I went though to Keyboard, monitor and saved that way, I could never find out how to do a mouse text in SAX, So then I booted up with CD#1 and went through the motion and ended up at one stage getting into a endless loop, then after "hoping" I fixed something it would only boot to "LI" not "LILO"
This isn't (usually) too hard to fix (the lilo bit), but I tend to use XF86Setup to set (or change) my mouse - just old-fashioned I guess.
Email, Netscape would send mail, but would shut down when I went to try and get mail, another Email program in Suse 6.4 would receive mail but would not send any mail.
Netscape has had a 'few' problems. I still use it, but I got the updated rpm from SuSE.
Printer, I was unable to set up my old "RELIABLE" dot matrix printer, Mandrake picked it up no problem
DM printers usually aren't any problem, but it doesn't hurt to read up on apsfilter :-)
Network, I was never able to see another computer from Linux but could easily go from windows into Suse & even more easily see Windows to Windows
Sounds like a configuration problem
Their is other things that bug me, that really make a getting into Linux a pain in the neck, if we are going to recommend Linux to our friends they need to be listed to by the Linux distributors
From Eric
Well Eric, I hope you enjoy Mandrake. Linux is still not a "one step
setup" system. But it is a hell of a lot better now, than it was a few
years (even a few months) ago. I've looked at a few different distro's
myself, but I always seem to return to SuSE. But my requirements, (and
experience), are probably different to yours. Who knows, you may be
back, but if not, just remember, HAVE FUN :-)
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On 27-Oct-00 Don Hansford wrote: # Eric Richards wrote: # # This isn't (usually) too hard to fix (the lilo bit), but I tend to use # XF86Setup to set (or change) my mouse - just old-fashioned I guess. But the results are far more predictable, which is why I do the same. # > Email, Netscape would send mail, but would shut down when I went to try and # > get mail, another Email program in Suse 6.4 would receive mail but would # > not send any mail. # # Netscape has had a 'few' problems. I still use it, but I got the updated # rpm from SuSE. Be warned that one of the things that can go very wrong is e-mail not being deleted properly. If you throw out a mail to the trash it can get _copied_ instead of being moved. Also emptying the trash file seems to be difficult for netscape. You may end up having 100+ MB of e-mail from netscape when you think it is just a few MB. "du -sh ~/nsmail" usually shows the problem. I'm using xfmail though. Like it, you may want to give it a try. # Well Eric, I hope you enjoy Mandrake. Linux is still not a "one step # setup" system. But it is a hell of a lot better now, than it was a few # years (even a few months) ago. I've looked at a few different distro's # myself, but I always seem to return to SuSE. But my requirements, (and # experience), are probably different to yours. Who knows, you may be # back, but if not, just remember, HAVE FUN :-) At work SuSE, at home Mac SO X. Hey don't yell that loud, it is a unix all the same (alright, the "other" free camp (BSD), but much of the thigs work much the same way). Maarten Sneep
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Don Hansford wrote:
Well Eric, I hope you enjoy Mandrake. Linux is still not a "one step setup" system. But it is a hell of a lot better now, than it was a few years (even a few months) ago. I've looked at a few different distro's myself, but I always seem to return to SuSE. But my requirements, (and experience), are probably different to yours. Who knows, you may be back, but if not, just remember, HAVE FUN :-)
I've actually been getting into Debian. Only on a Mac at the moment. I was completely fed up with LinuxPPC which promised easy install, but too much was broken. Now, *all* PPC distributions have bad reputations, basically because there isn't a large enough installed base to do the debugging. But at least with Debian they don't bull%$*& you. Debian is for the hard core - you don't expect it to be easy to set up and it isn't. I installed it some two weeks ago and still haven't got the system running like I want it (can't get innd to start and wwwoffle won't start properly on boot up - but I will sort this out, eventually. I also haven't figured out to patch the kernel to support nfs). It even took me a whole two days to find out why no one could log in via xdm (reason: Xauthority files weren't set up properly). Hey, but I expected it, and I still appreciate Debian's lack of bull. And unlike on LinuxPPC, emacs doesn't seg fault. Besides Debian has a package manager to die for. APT 4 FOREVER!! I do miss rc.config, though :-) Paul
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Don Hansford wrote:
Well Eric, I hope you enjoy Mandrake. Linux is still not a "one step setup" system. But it is a hell of a lot better now, than it was a few years (even a few months) ago. I've looked at a few different distro's myself, but I always seem to return to SuSE. But my requirements, (and experience), are probably different to yours. Who knows, you may be back, but if not, just remember, HAVE FUN :-)
I've actually been getting into Debian. Only on a Mac at the moment. I was completely fed up with LinuxPPC which promised easy install, but too much was broken. Now, *all* PPC distributions have bad reputations, basically because there isn't a large enough installed base to do the debugging. But at least with Debian they don't bull%$*& you. Debian is for the hard core - you don't expect it to be easy to set up and it isn't. I installed it some two weeks ago and still haven't got the system running like I want it (can't get innd to start and wwwoffle won't start properly
Why don't you try leafnode. I have it installed and it works great. There is no user authentication, but I just reject at my firewall any hosts I do not want to connect. From what I have read leafnode is not good for serving a large network, but for a small one its great.
on boot up - but I will sort this out, eventually. I also haven't figured out to patch the kernel to support nfs). It even took me a whole two days to find out why no one could log in via xdm (reason: Xauthority files weren't set up properly).
Hey, but I expected it, and I still appreciate Debian's lack of bull. And unlike on LinuxPPC, emacs doesn't seg fault.
Besides Debian has a package manager to die for. APT 4 FOREVER!!
I do miss rc.config, though :-)
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Jesse Marlin wrote:
Paul Talacko writes:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Don Hansford wrote:
Well Eric, I hope you enjoy Mandrake. Linux is still not a "one step setup" system. But it is a hell of a lot better now, than it was a few years (even a few months) ago. I've looked at a few different distro's myself, but I always seem to return to SuSE. But my requirements, (and experience), are probably different to yours. Who knows, you may be back, but if not, just remember, HAVE FUN :-)
I've actually been getting into Debian. Only on a Mac at the moment. I was completely fed up with LinuxPPC which promised easy install, but too much was broken. Now, *all* PPC distributions have bad reputations, basically because there isn't a large enough installed base to do the debugging. But at least with Debian they don't bull%$*& you. Debian is for the hard core - you don't expect it to be easy to set up and it isn't. I installed it some two weeks ago and still haven't got the system running like I want it (can't get innd to start and wwwoffle won't start properly
Why don't you try leafnode. I have it installed and it works great. There is no user authentication, but I just reject at my firewall any hosts I do not want to connect. From what I have read leafnode is not good for serving a large network, but for a small one its great.
Leafnode is great, but innd works really well with Demon internet.
on boot up - but I will sort this out, eventually. I also haven't figured out to patch the kernel to support nfs). It even took me a whole two days to find out why no one could log in via xdm (reason: Xauthority files weren't set up properly).
Hey, but I expected it, and I still appreciate Debian's lack of bull. And unlike on LinuxPPC, emacs doesn't seg fault.
Besides Debian has a package manager to die for. APT 4 FOREVER!!
I do miss rc.config, though :-)
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I've actually been getting into Debian. Only on a Mac at the moment. I was completely fed up with LinuxPPC which promised easy install, but too much was broken. Now, *all* PPC distributions have bad reputations, basically because there isn't a large enough installed base to do the debugging. But at least with Debian they don't bull%$*& you. Debian is for the hard core - you don't expect it to be easy to set up and it isn't. I installed it some two weeks ago and still haven't got the system running like I want it (can't get innd to start and wwwoffle won't start properly on boot up - but I will sort this out, eventually. I also haven't figured out to patch the kernel to support nfs). It even took me a whole two days to find out why no one could log in via xdm (reason: Xauthority files weren't set up properly).
Hey, but I expected it, and I still appreciate Debian's lack of bull. And unlike on LinuxPPC, emacs doesn't seg fault.
Besides Debian has a package manager to die for. APT 4 FOREVER!!
I do miss rc.config, though :-)
So why donŽt you try SuSE Linux for PowerPC? Runs on Apples and on IBM (e.g. RS6000). WeŽve quite a lot of Apple machines in our offices. Some people even have Powerbooks - running SuSE Linux, of course. Occasionally I misuse one of the G4Žs and boot into MacOS - to connect my digital camcorder via firewire. It just works, donŽt know if thereŽs something for Linux. I donŽt want to spend any time for researching this, just need the videos on harddisc... -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Michael Hasenstein wrote:
Paul Talacko wrote:
I've actually been getting into Debian. Only on a Mac at the moment. I was completely fed up with LinuxPPC which promised easy install, but too much was broken. Now, *all* PPC distributions have bad reputations, basically because there isn't a large enough installed base to do the debugging. But at least with Debian they don't bull%$*& you. Debian is for the hard core - you don't expect it to be easy to set up and it isn't. I installed it some two weeks ago and still haven't got the system running like I want it (can't get innd to start and wwwoffle won't start properly on boot up - but I will sort this out, eventually. I also haven't figured out to patch the kernel to support nfs). It even took me a whole two days to find out why no one could log in via xdm (reason: Xauthority files weren't set up properly).
Hey, but I expected it, and I still appreciate Debian's lack of bull. And unlike on LinuxPPC, emacs doesn't seg fault.
Besides Debian has a package manager to die for. APT 4 FOREVER!!
I do miss rc.config, though :-)
So why dont you try SuSE Linux for PowerPC? Runs on Apples and on IBM (e.g. RS6000). Weve quite a lot of Apple machines in our offices. Some people even have Powerbooks - running SuSE Linux, of course. Occasionally I misuse one of the G4s and boot into MacOS - to connect my digital camcorder via firewire. It just works, dont know if theres something for Linux. I dont want to spend any time for researching this, just need the videos on harddisc...
I didn't because a) I wanted to try a different distro, b) I didn't want to pay a full fee again for stuff that I had already, but in i386 form and c) I couldn't get any reviews of SuSE PPC, and d) Debian was a lot cheaper. After using Debian I quite like it -- and like I said...there's no bull.
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I didn't because a) I wanted to try a different distro, b) I didn't want to pay a full fee again for stuff that I had already, but in i386 form and c) I couldn't get any reviews of SuSE PPC, and d) Debian was a lot cheaper.
To b) You DONŽT have anything you pay for already. You DONŽT pay us money for the software. YOu pay us money for _making a distribution_, and this _service_ is NOT the same you paid for when you got the Intel edition. ItŽs a completely different job that our developers did. With Linux distributions you pay the money for the _service_ and not for the software. The latter is FREE. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
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Paul Talacko wrote:
I didn't because a) I wanted to try a different distro, b) I didn't want to pay a full fee again for stuff that I had already, but in i386 form and c) I couldn't get any reviews of SuSE PPC, and d) Debian was a lot cheaper.
To b) You DONT have anything you pay for already. You DONT pay us money for the software. YOu pay us money for _making a distribution_, and this _service_ is NOT the same you paid for when you got the Intel edition. Its a completely different job that our developers did.
With Linux distributions you pay the money for the _service_ and not for the software. The latter is FREE.
Point taken. Debian is still cheaper though.
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Not to be rude or anyting..but with Debian you do all the configs yourself. I have a Debain box here in my house..and the small price SuSE charges saves one from going crazy configing the box. Linux is all about configuration...and we try our best ;) * Paul Talacko (talacko@yarn.demon.co.uk) [001028 03:50]: -*-> Paul Talacko wrote: -*- -*-Point taken. Debian is still cheaper though. -- Benjamin Rosenberg The Linux Experts :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: SuSE Inc. Tel: +1-510-628-3380 ext:5086 580 Second St Suite 210 Fax: +1-510-835-3381 Suite 210 mailto:brosenb@suse.com Oakland CA 94607 U.S.A http://www.suse.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: If two men agree on everything, you may be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking. --LBJ "My opinions are not a reflection of the opinions of SuSE Inc." -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
I'd like to see these 'config myself' enthusiasts configure sendmail.cf ;-) A few probably could, but most could not. JLK On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
Not to be rude or anyting..but with Debian you do all the configs yourself. I have a Debain box here in my house..and the small price SuSE charges saves one from going crazy configing the box. Linux is all about configuration...and we try our best ;)
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Hi It's a fact that sometimes some of the best sales people are the
customers,
At this point in time I would like more friends to go Linux, but all the problem I have would now never recommend SuSE,
Personally, I think you are making a mistake, but that's your choice :-)
It all started through no fault of Suse, the mouse port on my computer packed up, then soon had other problems, I tried to change things in SAX then go and save, but then a message would come up nothing to save, So
Calmly considered, useful responses like this one are one of SuSE's best
features. Why can't my workplace and while I am dreaming, American
politics, work as smoothly as this list? Thanks Don.
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I went though to Keyboard, monitor and saved that way, I could never find out how to do a mouse text in SAX, So then I booted up with CD#1 and went through the motion and ended up at one stage getting into a endless loop, then after "hoping" I fixed something it would only boot to "LI" not "LILO"
This isn't (usually) too hard to fix (the lilo bit), but I tend to use XF86Setup to set (or change) my mouse - just old-fashioned I guess.
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Calmly considered, useful responses like this one are one of SuSE's best features. Why can't my workplace and while I am dreaming, American politics, work as smoothly as this list? Thanks Don.
Ed Scott
Maybe cos your workplace isn't in Australia, Mate! :-)
But politics, they're the same wherever you are! :-(
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Hi It's a fact that sometimes some of the best sales people are the customers, At this point in time I would like more friends to go Linux, but all the problem I have would now never recommend SuSE, ... ...
Eric, I come from Mandrake 7.0 (not 7.1). Ok, it's nice, I like it, as RH also; but they seems me less stable. I leave Mandrake when with an old video SiS6326 4mb well recognized by the system under Xfree3.3.6, the KDE it *freezes* randomly *without* any message log; must reset. The same configuration has run well on a FreeBSD3.4 environment (smoothly e quick) and now with SuSe 6.4 (smoothly, less quick, but in more more easy confortable way). Maybe it's the classic bad coincidence of hardware pieces.... To you the choice. Best Regards -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
are you sure its not user-error? ive been using suse for two years now and have had nothing but success running it on my laptop as well as in an enterprise level. if you think suse is bad, wait until you run something built on redhat. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Hello Linux folkz, I used and tested RedHat/Mandrake, Caldera, Slackware in High Tech manufacturing production environment under the high load. But what I finally found that neither one of these distros never came close to SuSE in terms of scalability and relialability. I assume that Linux is Linux no matter what distro you're using. But that software, configuration and script bindings that hold each distribution together do matter. From the engineering stand point of view SuSE is a superior distribution. SuSE is 60% - Linux, 40% - Great engineering (software and configuration), 0% - Hypes. Red Hat/Mandrake is about 60% - Linux, 10% - Somewhat engineering, 30% - Hypes and other marketing skim. I don't want to start any new distro war. I'm just expressing my own opinion based on practical implementation of Linux in manufacturing environment. Thanks. Alex -------------------
are you sure its not user-error? ive been using suse for two years now and have had nothing but success running it on my laptop as well as in an enterprise level. if you think suse is bad, wait until you run something built on redhat.
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Howdy, I have come home to SuSE after getting my feet wet with other distros for some time and I thought I would throw down my two pennies for what it's worth. I do find that Linux is Linux to a large degree but what separates the distros is harder to explain which is why we have the long thread. I found RedHat comforting in the fact that I find it the most used. Most of us I would guess have tried it or use it in some fashion. But when sitting at the machine, I find it unresponsive, quirky, overloaded with software (not to mention Mandrake), a little cold and in general a little shaky. This was MY experience with it (you mileage may vary). On the same machine, I find SuSE tight, manageable, friendly, streamlined, green, understanding and in general... solid. Being a life-long Mac fan, I find SuSE the most Mac like of any distro (pause for boos). Sorry if that offends... In parting I will just say that Linux, like most things, is a prime example of the old saying "the right tool for the right job". Whatever works for you is what is best. Spunk -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
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On Monday 30 October 2000 15:22, Alex Daniloff wrote:
Hello Linux folkz, I used and tested RedHat/Mandrake, Caldera, Slackware in High Tech manufacturing production environment under the high load. But what I finally found that neither one of these distros never came close to SuSE in terms of scalability and relialability. I assume that Linux is Linux no matter what distro you're using. But that software, configuration and script bindings that hold each distribution together do matter. From the engineering stand point of view SuSE is a superior distribution. SuSE is 60% - Linux, 40% - Great engineering (software and configuration), 0% - Hypes. Red Hat/Mandrake is about 60% - Linux, 10% - Somewhat engineering, 30% - Hypes and other marketing skim. I don't want to start any new distro war. I'm just expressing my own opinion based on practical implementation of Linux in manufacturing environment. Thanks. Alex
I'll second that, Alex!!! I've tried RH6.2, Mandrake 7.0 and 7.1. RH has too many bugs. Mandrake, once you get past the pretty installer, is RH, but just cleaned up a bit. Now, any of these distros is better than any version of windows! JLK
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are you sure its not user-error? ive been using suse for two years
now
and have had nothing but success running it on my laptop as well as
in
an enterprise level. if you think suse is bad, wait until you run something built on redhat.
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I agreed with you Alex. I also tried RH, LM, Corel, Caldera, Storm, Turbo, etc...although not in highload environment, but I like to stress them and see the response. For example, I tried MTVP for VCD playback, SuSE is so far the only one gives smooth playback without crash or any problem. It is at time difficult to put other software on SuSE machine as most of them are written for RH, but as far as I can, I will try to overcome that with all the help here. :-) Have a nice day. Dennis @Singapore
Hello Linux folkz, I used and tested RedHat/Mandrake, Caldera, Slackware in High Tech manufacturing production environment under the high load. But what I finally found that neither one of these distros never came close to SuSE in terms of scalability and relialability. I assume that Linux is Linux no matter what distro you're using. But that software, configuration and script bindings that hold each distribution together do matter. From the engineering stand point of view SuSE is a superior distribution. SuSE is 60% - Linux, 40% - Great engineering (software and configuration), 0% - Hypes. Red Hat/Mandrake is about 60% - Linux, 10% - Somewhat engineering, 30% - Hypes and other marketing skim. I don't want to start any new distro war. I'm just expressing my own opinion based on practical implementation of Linux in manufacturing environment. Thanks. Alex
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are you sure its not user-error? ive been using suse for two years now and have had nothing but success running it on my laptop as well as in an enterprise level. if you think suse is bad, wait until you run something built on redhat.
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alex＠daniloff.com -
brosenb＠suse.com -
dlbt＠pacific.net.sg -
donh＠halenet.com.au -
e.richards＠free.net.nz -
edscott＠worldnet.att.net -
jerrykreps＠jlkreps.net -
jlm＠compgen.com -
mha＠suse.com -
paul＠yarn.demon.co.uk -
poggif＠casaccia.enea.it -
rodney＠linux.fau.edu -
sneep＠nat.vu.nl -
spunk＠mac.com -
talacko＠yarn.demon.co.uk -
zentara＠gypsyfarm.com