On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 09:37:53PM +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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We've mastered yesterday openSUSE 10.2 RC5 and declared it as goldmaster.

"RC5"??? I haven't been following 10.2 development very closely, and opensuse.org seems to show RC1 being the latest available to download. I can't even seem to find RC2-RC4.

RC2-RC5 have been done internally, due to the rapid pace of development, it's been practically impossible to release those RCs to the public.

The point is valid for ISO and Torrent distribution, however, not all RPM packages are updated, so factory should get it, does not it?

That's correct. However, it takes some time for factory to spread over the mirrors. Best, Christoph -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue December 5 2006 1:20 pm, Stan Glasoe skratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:

On Tuesday December 5 2006 12:04 pm, Bruce Smith wrote:

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We've mastered yesterday openSUSE 10.2 RC5 and declared it as goldmaster.

"RC5"??? I haven't been following 10.2 development very closely, and opensuse.org seems to show RC1 being the latest available to download. I can't even seem to find RC2-RC4.

- BS

Depends on the amount of time left between RC1 and Release Date as to how many other 'public' RC's we will see out here. Internally they do more RC's in the final weeks/days that we don't see out here. From what they've said in the past these are mostly cosmetic, last minute fixes that we hope don't impact us too much out here.

Stan

I want a box thank you.. so as not to have to chase off all over the place when one or another thing goes pop! haul out the disc reinstall whatever was there before the video/sound/hard drive/ and other assorted bits n bobs fry themselves. Since nothing ever is exactly the same issues as before.. install and update , but install via net and then update.. on one box at a time maybe.. -- j like the gecko behind the painting w/ hidden wisdom to impart. In a world that needs more dancing, she's a hula girl at heart. Photographs show she is lovely. Her bare feet are a work of art. her fragrance speaks of frangipani and, she's still a hula girl at heart. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 12/5/06, Doug McGarrett wrote:

Another posting from someone at SuSE suggests that there are still many bugs in 10.2, and that they will be squashed by 10.3, to be released next summer. I'll wait. Take note, Novell.

--doug

Can you please post links/sources? I have been looking forward t a 10.2 upgrade hoping to solve some issues I have with 10.1. I really don't want to wait until 10.3 final. -- "Develop success from failures. Discouragement and failure are two of the surest stepping stones to success." - Dale Carnegie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

D Gavrilovic wrote:

On 12/5/06, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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Another posting from someone at SuSE suggests that there are still many bugs in 10.2, and that they will be squashed by 10.3, to be released next summer. I'll wait. Take note, Novell.

--doug

Can you please post links/sources? I have been looking forward t a 10.2 upgrade hoping to solve some issues I have with 10.1. I really don't want to wait until 10.3 final.

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2006-12/msg00000.html -- In a period of great joy and pleasure you are comforted by the thought that tragedy is just around the corner. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 02:01:46PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

D Gavrilovic wrote:

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On 12/5/06, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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Another posting from someone at SuSE suggests that there are still many bugs in 10.2, and that they will be squashed by 10.3, to be released next summer. I'll wait. Take note, Novell.

--doug

Can you please post links/sources? I have been looking forward t a 10.2 upgrade hoping to solve some issues I have with 10.1. I really don't want to wait until 10.3 final.

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2006-12/msg00000.html

Every software has bugs ... :) I personally have already upgraded all my machines to 10.2 and am happy with it. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue December 5 2006 9:00 pm, D Gavrilovic skratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:

On 12/5/06, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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Another posting from someone at SuSE suggests that there are still many bugs in 10.2, and that they will be squashed by 10.3, to be released next summer. I'll wait. Take note, Novell.

--doug

Can you please post links/sources? I have been looking forward t a 10.2 upgrade hoping to solve some issues I have with 10.1. I really don't want to wait until 10.3 final.

te I've been playing w/ the 10.2 RC and most of my problems have to do w/ the insistence on no nongpl software. ( Barring the stuff Novell has licenses for ) I go to packman, find, say,lame for my architecture.. which OS is a tad behind on .. and install like cake, but not ONE peice of software will recognize it's there. At leasted the boxed set shouldn't do that or what in hell is all the sweat going on at Packman going for anyway??? they must have a couple of new lakes or rivers, given the work they have done. I updated all the required codecs for all kinds of items. Mainly Audio/Video things . but you would have to do that sooner or later. IF you want to get work done that doesn't include A/V , and you can play this is a sweet music, CDs, radio, oggs, and MP3s right off the install w/ o doing anything other than the original installation , you can. Just not w/ many of the programs you expect to use.For instance, all the music players will play Oggs ( better sound for the same file size BTW) but Real audio is the only one that will play mp3s . This is a sweet install and an even better looking desktop. Network management is easier,for casual users, and lots of little tweaks and tucks have been put into things.. I don't even need to have any sort of Word Proc. My stuff is usually happy on kedit. But, OO looks pretty enough , as someone else commented, to whistle at. I just don't have any use for it.. Those are my most annoying bugs. There are the usual annoyances at things not being where you think they should be.but largely, unless you have weird hardware, or underused , as 64bit seems to be , so far in the world. You won't find anything that should keep you from getting it. All new versions of things have bugs and snafus, thing w/ linux and especially Suse linux, is they get fixed quick! In fact Linux-Magazine has a special going if you make a $9 & change subscription trial now they will sent you two full dvds of 10.2 you won't do better than that for a test. But , I found the 10.1 didn't have 64 bit architecture on it.. so be warned :) 2dvds should cover just about everything tho. -- j -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Doug McGarrett writes:

Another posting from someone at SuSE suggests that there are still many bugs in 10.2, and that they will be squashed by 10.3, to be released next summer. I'll wait. Take note, Novell.

You misunderstood me. This is the general policy with each release. A perfect bugfree distribution will be ideal. There are two periods: * Before the goldmaster you fix all the bugs with priority on the critical ones and try to not break stuff. The earlier you report , the better is the chance to get it fixed. * after the goldmaster you fix only a few bugs via online update. The majority of the fixes will go into the next release... 10.3 will introduce its own share of new bugs - and new enhancements and fixes. I consider 10.2 a great distribution. My message was to tell people that we a) do fix some of the existing bugs via online update b) will not fix all bugs Hope this clarifies it, Andreas - aka someone at SUSE ;-) -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

On 2006-12-06 11:46, Jos van Kan wrote:

Doug McGarrett wrote:

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Another posting from someone at SuSE suggests that there are still many bugs in 10.2, and that they will be squashed by 10.3, to be released next summer. I'll wait. Take note, Novell.

Doug! You mean you aren't going to install 10.2? Noooooooooo.... I hope Suse will overcome that blow. ;-) Doug is going to be waiting for a very long time for a bug-free version of (fill in the blank) :-)

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At 07:50 PM 12/5/2006 -0900, John Andersen wrote:

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On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:48, jfweber@gilweber.com wrote:

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I want a box thank you.. so as not to have to chase off all over the place when one or another thing goes pop! haul out the disc reinstall whatever was there before the video/sound/hard drive/ and other assorted bits n bobs fry themselves.

Well, in the short run (before chirstmas - aledgedly) ye shall have a box. A green one op a blue one, - your choice.

Realistically, what's the difference between a downloaded gold master an a boxed master?

Ultimatly, with the increase in bandwidth, I suspect the day of the "boxed anything" is going away. Down load a cd's worth of stuff and install from that (which Gentoo has done for years as the default way of installing, but other distros support as well).

Chaseing all over is an excellent application of computers, and the net. They do it well. If ZMD keeps getting better I don't see the chaseing as the big problem.

That means the Distros need a new way to make money. Might be paying customers will get faster servers, or earlier access, or even actual tech support. I could see a distro supplying only initial releases and security patches to the general public, and inplace upgrades to paying customers, so that you don't have to wait for the next release to get something new/cool.

I can reach out from this chair and touch 4 boxed sets, and walk across the room to 3 more.

I don't mind paying for them.

But I don't mind paying a different way either.

Make me an offer! -- _____________________________________ John Andersen --

I want a box, too, with a real manual. For the price of a download, as it's going to be, I deserve a manual and real disks. I should find a manual on a d/l and print out several hundred pages on my printer? Not likely! If SuSE won't do it, somebody will. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2006-12-06 at 10:15 +0100, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

Perhaps a new business model is called for. So stop selling expensive boxes, just sell a small envelope with a DVD and a large poster, some stickers and whatever in, together with a thin "how to get started right now" manual.

I want manuals too. But I don't want the ordinary "simple" manual, "getting started" (whatever) that's usually in the box. I want a real thick brick filled with hi-tech details and how-tos. That's too expensive to print, of course. So, as a paying user, let me have the envelope and a voucher with a code on, to let me download/on-line read the real thick tech manual. Let that be what I pay for. And let me be able to pay for actual real support too.

I have seen news stand magazines that have been just this. A SUSE distro and a magazine to get you started. They are often on the news stands here when a new release is out. I do not know who actually releases them. It could be one of the European Linux mags that release a special item. These happen occasionally for various distros. I should buy one some time. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems AB Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday, 6. December 2006 05:50, John Andersen wrote:

Realistically, what's the difference between a downloaded gold master an a boxed master?

The boxed master is a DVD-9 containing more packages and translations. Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org