RE: [SLE] Windowmaker, KDE or something else?
-----Original Message----- From: zentara [mailto:zentara@zentara.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 12:17 PM
Oh. That was going to be my next question. I'd need to find replacements for Konq (which works well for me, though I'm not married to it... :-),
Mozilla
Actually, I was using Konq for local filesystem browsing, and either Mozilla or Opera for Web stuff.
for KMail (which works
Sylpheed
What do you like about it?
for KSnapshot (well, I could go back to XV, which is nearly ten years old and does just as good a job...),
If you just want to view, try "Quick Image Viewer", it's only 39k stripped and is very fast to load pictures. http://www.klografx.net/qiv/
Nope. I need flexible capture of windows and regions, etc. GIMP is capable, but it's a bit much to run it for just that... (swatting flies with sledgehammers...)
is the use of leaner window managers mostly an advantage for people using old systems with limited resources?
Of course, I can't even run KDE on my old laptop. You also get more direct control over what is happening in X. Even on a fast system, your X will be "peppier" with Blackbox or fvwm2. If something "hangs" in X, I just kill off the xterm I started it with, and go on my merry way. I don't need to fight with the KDE servers.
Oh. So you are you: a) avoiding GUI apps? b) using GUI apps but starting each one from command line, in a separate xterm (rather than from a desktop icon or from a toolbar menu)? Do you just have a mess of xterm windows open (and minimized?) each having served for nothing but to start one app? Does that effectively isolate each app from all others?
For my work, I'm using OpenOffice and Gimp, mostly, and those would not be affected, would they?
They run fine without KDE.
Heh... didn't think there'd be a problem, but my entire experience with Linux has been people telling me (some of) what's wrong with the way I did something, or my choice of tool to do it. :-) While we're on the topic, does GNOME 2 suffer from the same degree of interdependency as does KDE and its apps? Is it just as easy in GNOME 2 to have one misbehaving app drag down a bunch of others... a la Windoze? I seem to recall that I was using ICEWM last year in my fling with GNOME. WAHHH! I want everything! I want my eye-candy AND I want my apps to work reliably! Waaahhh! ... Ahem! Coff, coff. Kevin visibly recovers himself, though too late to retain much dignity... Cheers, /kevin
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:14:47 -0400 KMcLauchlan@chrysalis-its.com wrote:
From: zentara [mailto:zentara@zentara.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 12:17 PM
Sylpheed
What do you like about it?
Fast, and does GPG (although I never need it :-)) It also displays photo attachments automatically. It has nice filters. I don't need anything more. It's the 1 app that opens so fast, that I don't have time to minimze the xterm used to open it. And all it takes to minimize an xterm is alt-F4. :-)
for KSnapshot (well, I could go back to XV, which is nearly ten years old and does just as good a job...),
If you just want to view, try "Quick Image Viewer", it's only 39k stripped and is very fast to load pictures. http://www.klografx.net/qiv/
Nope. I need flexible capture of windows and regions, etc. GIMP is capable, but it's a bit much to run it for just that... (swatting flies with sledgehammers...)
I use qiv when I just want to glance at something, and when I want to capture something, I use "import", it will grap anything you want. If it gets really complicated, like resizing, or effects, then I start Gimp.
Oh. So you are you:
a) avoiding GUI apps?
No, I use GUI apps, I just want to be in control of them.
b) using GUI apps but starting each one from command line, in a separate xterm (rather than from a desktop icon or from a toolbar menu)? Do you just have a mess of xterm windows open (and minimized?) each having served for nothing but to start one app? Does that effectively isolate each app from all others?
For me it does, it gives me a convenient place to kill anything that starts acting weird, without the need for finding a pid and kill -9 'ing it. Occaisionally I get some gui app that wants to drag down the whole desktop, but I just kill the xterm I started it with, and presto, it's done.
While we're on the topic, does GNOME 2 suffer from the same degree of interdependency as does KDE and its apps? Is it just as easy in GNOME 2 to have one misbehaving app drag down a bunch of others... a la Windoze?
Never messed with Gnome2.
WAHHH! I want everything! I want my eye-candy AND I want my apps to work reliably! Waaahhh! ... Ahem! Coff, coff. Kevin visibly recovers himself, though too late to retain much dignity...
Yeah, for me it came down to the point where I was just tired of spending most of the time tweaking the interface, and tracing down problems. So I switched to a simple method, which remains the same after every upgrade. Once you get used to it, it becomes second nature. You open an xterm, type in a program name, alt-f4 to minimize the xterm, as fast as clicking on an iconbar in some fancy WM. I do it sub-conciously now. :-) I'll send you a jpg of my fvwm2 desktop if you want to see it's simplicity. :-) -- use Perl; #powerful programmable prestidigitation
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