[SLE] Disgruntled Customer
Hello, I have been using SuSE since 6.0. I upgraded to 6.2, and then 6.4. It seems to me, though, that getting the system usable, and maintaining current software is becoming more and more difficult with SuSE. Maybe it is just me, but I have noticed numerous postings where people have MAJOR problems using SuSE upgrades and patches, or basic Linux upgrades on a SuSE-installed system. Here are my examples: 1) Upgraded to Kernel 2.2.16, and the system was unusable. Why can't I upgrade to a new kernel downloaded from the internet? Every time (5 times now) I tried to put in a new kernel on a SuSE distro, it failed miserably. But, I was able to upgrade other Linux systems at work (RH and Debian) I had to fall back to the SuSE kernel. Is not linux linux? 2) Installed "Almost Everything" and Almost nothing works! Fresh, out of the box, ran an Almost Everything install on my test box, just for fun. Well, I was utterly amazed at how many things just do not work!. I try to open up Kgrabber, and it tells me I don't have this installed, or that installed, so it cannot function, and the program is just taking up space. Why would SuSE package and install software that can't work? 3) Decided to upgrade to XFree86 4.0. I downloaded the software from SuSE, and followed SuSE instructions EXACTLY, and it absolutely would not work. After several hours, I ftp'd via command line to XFree86.org, downloaded the precompiled binaries, followed THEIR instructions, and it worked perfectly. The only exception was the gray screen instead of background, and missing xsession file. Still have the background problem, but the xsession problem was the fault of SuSE erasing the file during install. 4) Did everyone see the post from the poor guy who upgraded apache, (again, a SuSE upgrade) and it now doesn't work? What is going on here? I cannot believe that SuSE is releasing 7.0 in 10 days, and their 6.4 is such a heap. Or maybe that is the plan..... Well, please, if anyone can shed some light on this stuff, I would appreciate it. I hope it is just me, cause then I can do something about it. Ron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
6.2 and 6.4 have worked very well for me. I have even managed to install kernel 2.2.16 on both systems. Victor On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 02:28:20PM -0700, Ron Heron wrote:
Hello, I have been using SuSE since 6.0. I upgraded to 6.2, and then 6.4. It seems to me, though, that getting the system usable, and maintaining current software is becoming more and more difficult with SuSE. Maybe it is just me, but I have noticed numerous postings where people have MAJOR problems using SuSE upgrades and patches, or basic Linux upgrades on a SuSE-installed system. Here are my examples:
1) Upgraded to Kernel 2.2.16, and the system was unusable. Why can't I upgrade to a new kernel downloaded from the internet? Every time (5 times now) I tried to put in a new kernel on a SuSE distro, it failed miserably. But, I was able to upgrade other Linux systems at work (RH and Debian) I had to fall back to the SuSE kernel. Is not linux linux?
2) Installed "Almost Everything" and Almost nothing works! Fresh, out of the box, ran an Almost Everything install on my test box, just for fun. Well, I was utterly amazed at how many things just do not work!. I try to open up Kgrabber, and it tells me I don't have this installed, or that installed, so it cannot function, and the program is just taking up space. Why would SuSE package and install software that can't work?
3) Decided to upgrade to XFree86 4.0. I downloaded the software from SuSE, and followed SuSE instructions EXACTLY, and it absolutely would not work. After several hours, I ftp'd via command line to XFree86.org, downloaded the precompiled binaries, followed THEIR instructions, and it worked perfectly. The only exception was the gray screen instead of background, and missing xsession file. Still have the background problem, but the xsession problem was the fault of SuSE erasing the file during install.
4) Did everyone see the post from the poor guy who upgraded apache, (again, a SuSE upgrade) and it now doesn't work?
What is going on here? I cannot believe that SuSE is releasing 7.0 in 10 days, and their 6.4 is such a heap. Or maybe that is the plan.....
Well, please, if anyone can shed some light on this stuff, I would appreciate it. I hope it is just me, cause then I can do something about it.
Ron
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Ron Heron wrote:
Hello, I have been using SuSE since 6.0. I upgraded to 6.2, and then 6.4. It seems to me, though, that getting the system usable, and maintaining current software is becoming more and more difficult with SuSE. Maybe it is just me, but I have noticed
I cannot agree.
numerous postings where people have MAJOR problems using SuSE upgrades and patches, or basic Linux
This is a ridiculous observation. Who else would post anything here?! This mailing list is for problems and their solutions.
upgrades on a SuSE-installed system. Here are my examples:
1) Upgraded to Kernel 2.2.16, and the system was unusable. Why can't I upgrade to a new kernel
a) That is hardly a SuSE problem if you choose to upgrade one of hte major components without knowing what you're doing. b) Correct, the stock 2.2.16 is next to unusable. This is why the SuSE 2.2.16 is a 2.2.16 + several MB of patches, for both stability and features.
downloaded from the internet? Every time (5 times now) I tried to put in a new kernel on a SuSE distro, it failed miserably. But, I was able to upgrade other Linux systems at work (RH and Debian) I had to fall back to the SuSE kernel. Is not linux linux?
It is, and I never had problems. Of course, one has to know what one is doing.
2) Installed "Almost Everything" and Almost nothing works! Fresh, out of the box, ran an Almost Everything install on my test box, just for fun. Well, I was utterly amazed at how many things just do not work!. I try to open up Kgrabber, and it tells me I don't have this installed, or that installed, so it cannot function, and the program is just taking up space. Why would SuSE package and install software that can't work?
??? Thanks for the detailed bug report.
3) Decided to upgrade to XFree86 4.0. I downloaded the software from SuSE, and followed SuSE instructions EXACTLY, and it absolutely would not work. After several hours, I ftp'd via command line to XFree86.org, downloaded the precompiled binaries, followed THEIR instructions, and it worked perfectly. The only exception was the gray screen instead of background, and missing xsession file. Still have the background problem, but the xsession problem was the fault of SuSE erasing the file during install.
I'd really love to stand behind you when you do this...
4) Did everyone see the post from the poor guy who upgraded apache, (again, a SuSE upgrade) and it now doesn't work?
There's ALWAYS someone where everything go wrong, and (almost) always it's NOT our fault.
What is going on here? I cannot believe that SuSE is releasing 7.0 in 10 days, and their 6.4 is such a heap. Or maybe that is the plan.....
All examples you described but one are YOUR problems, with stuff you downloaded. I've no idea what you do, but since I do this a lot and it always works immediately... (no comment)
Well, please, if anyone can shed some light on this stuff, I would appreciate it. I hope it is just me, cause then I can do something about it.
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On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 02:28:20PM -0700, Ron Heron wrote:
Hello, I have been using SuSE since 6.0. I upgraded to 6.2, and then 6.4. It seems to me, though, that getting the system usable, and maintaining current software is becoming more and more difficult with SuSE. Maybe it is just me, but I have noticed numerous postings where people have MAJOR problems using SuSE upgrades and patches, or basic Linux upgrades on a SuSE-installed system. Here are my examples:
1) Upgraded to Kernel 2.2.16, and the system was unusable. Why can't I upgrade to a new kernel downloaded from the internet? Every time (5 times now) I tried to put in a new kernel on a SuSE distro, it failed miserably. But, I was able to upgrade other Linux systems at work (RH and Debian) I had to fall back to the SuSE kernel. Is not linux linux?
I upgraded to 2.2.16 and even upgraded the network drivers entirely as a newcomer to Linux and everything works well. My investment was in time spent to understand what I was doing... and even there I was a bit fuzzy. gary PS: Haven't tried the up-grade packages tho...
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