[opensuse] Thunderbird - losing email (archive stops 2010, inbox empty before 5/2011)
Guys, This is potentially critical and I hope it is just because I am doing something wrong in tbird 14. The server is postifx, the mta is dovecot, the mailbox is imap. I was searching for some critical emails from March and April 2011. Checking my inbox, there are no messages prior to 5/31/2011. WTF? So I then looked in the "archive" folder expecting to find them - nothing. There is nothing in "archive" since 12/12/2010. There is another folder called "Archive", but it has nothing in it. Checking the Settings -> Copies & Folders under Message Archives, I have the following: [x] Keep messages archives in: o "Archives" Folder on Rankin Law Firm Archive options... When archiving messages, place them in: o Yearly archived folders [x] Keep existing folder structure of archived messages Checking the actual mail files on the server in ~/Mail, I have an "archive" showing the date of "May 18 2011 archive". However, when I look at the archive in tbird there is nothing shown from 12/12/10 on and nothing in my inbox before 5/31/11. So where is all the mail from 12/12/10-5/31/11? I cannot express the enormity and implications of a potential loss like this. Apparently the mail is still in the "archive" file, but not displayed in the "archive" folder of tbird? How do I get the mail back? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/01/2012 12:19 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
Guys,
This is potentially critical and I hope it is just because I am doing something wrong in tbird 14. The server is postifx, the mta is dovecot, the mailbox is imap.
I was searching for some critical emails from March and April 2011. Checking my inbox, there are no messages prior to 5/31/2011. WTF? So I then looked in the "archive" folder expecting to find them - nothing. There is nothing in "archive" since 12/12/2010. There is another folder called "Archive", but it has nothing in it.
Checking the Settings -> Copies & Folders under Message Archives, I have the following:
[x] Keep messages archives in: o "Archives" Folder on Rankin Law Firm Archive options... When archiving messages, place them in: o Yearly archived folders [x] Keep existing folder structure of archived messages
Checking the actual mail files on the server in ~/Mail, I have an "archive" showing the date of "May 18 2011 archive". However, when I look at the archive in tbird there is nothing shown from 12/12/10 on and nothing in my inbox before 5/31/11. So where is all the mail from 12/12/10-5/31/11?
I cannot express the enormity and implications of a potential loss like this. Apparently the mail is still in the "archive" file, but not displayed in the "archive" folder of tbird?
How do I get the mail back?
Is there any way a hostname change could have caused tbird to lose messages when attempting to move to an archive? Also, I access this sever from several different computers. Looking at the thunderbird server settings, they are different. One install was configured to archive in 'archive' another was configured to archive in 'Archive'. Since this is imap, what would the server do when confronted with this difference? If it doesn't gracefully handle this somehow, then that is a huge data integrity bug. Also, I've never messed with the archive location, was there a tbird default change from 'Archive' to 'archive' at some point? I'll check, but if anybody knows, feel free to chime in. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
Also, I access this sever from several different computers. Looking at the thunderbird server settings, they are different. One install was configured to archive in 'archive' another was configured to archive in 'Archive'. Since this is imap, what would the server do when confronted with this difference?
Dovecot folder names are case-sensitive, so you ought to have two folders. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (22.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/03/2012 06:38 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
Also, I access this sever from several different computers. Looking at the thunderbird server settings, they are different. One install was configured to archive in 'archive' another was configured to archive in 'Archive'. Since this is imap, what would the server do when confronted with this difference?
Dovecot folder names are case-sensitive, so you ought to have two folders.
I do, but 'Archives' has never been used: -rw------- 1 david david 326510205 May 18 2011 archive -rw------- 1 david david 534 Jun 22 2011 Archives It seems some default changed some where between May/June 2011. The only thing changing was the thunderbird version numbers. Looking at the upgrade history on thunderbird, I did a downgrade from 5.0 -> 3.1.11 on 6/29/11. I wonder if that screwed something up? [2010-04-22 22:19] installed thunderbird (3.0.4-1) [2010-07-11 04:05] upgraded thunderbird (3.0.4-1 -> 3.1-2) [2010-07-20 15:43] upgraded thunderbird (3.1-2 -> 3.1.1-1) [2010-08-09 02:27] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.1-1 -> 3.1.2-1) [2010-09-09 23:22] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.2-1 -> 3.1.3-1) [2010-09-18 17:57] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.3-1 -> 3.1.4-1) [2010-09-28 18:58] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.4-1 -> 3.1.4-2) [2010-10-19 18:21] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.4-2 -> 3.1.5-1) [2010-10-30 01:05] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.5-1 -> 3.1.6-1) [2010-12-09 16:46] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.6-1 -> 3.1.7-1) [2010-12-11 15:03] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.7-1 -> 3.1.7-2) [2010-12-31 15:01] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.7-2 -> 3.1.7-3) [2011-03-01 20:56] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.7-3 -> 3.1.8-1) [2011-03-07 15:01] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.8-1 -> 3.1.9-1) [2011-03-16 12:24] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.9-1 -> 3.1.9-2) [2011-04-29 14:44] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.9-2 -> 3.1.10-1) [2011-05-04 00:25] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.10-1 -> 3.1.10-2) [2011-06-05 17:13] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.10-2 -> 3.1.10-3) [2011-06-22 14:05] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.10-3 -> 3.1.11-1) [2011-06-29 08:26] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.11-1 -> 5.0-1) [2011-06-29 11:05] upgraded thunderbird (5.0-1 -> 3.1.11-1) [2011-06-30 15:43] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.11-1 -> 5.0-1) [2011-08-17 08:58] upgraded thunderbird (5.0-1 -> 6.0-1) [2011-08-31 10:29] upgraded thunderbird (6.0-1 -> 6.0.1-1) [2011-09-06 21:55] upgraded thunderbird (6.0.1-1 -> 6.0.2-1) [2011-09-28 01:01] upgraded thunderbird (6.0.2-1 -> 7.0-1) [2011-10-03 13:24] upgraded thunderbird (7.0-1 -> 7.0.1-1) [2011-11-08 15:51] upgraded thunderbird (7.0.1-1 -> 8.0-1) [2011-12-22 11:45] upgraded thunderbird (8.0-1 -> 9.0-1) [2011-12-24 22:17] upgraded thunderbird (9.0-1 -> 9.0.1-1) [2012-02-03 10:22] upgraded thunderbird (9.0.1-1 -> 10.0-0) [2012-02-07 09:48] upgraded thunderbird (10.0-0 -> 10.0-2) [2012-02-13 13:44] upgraded thunderbird (10.0-2 -> 10.0.1-1) [2012-02-17 11:54] upgraded thunderbird (10.0.1-1 -> 10.0.2-1) [2012-03-19 13:20] upgraded thunderbird (10.0.2-1 -> 11.0-1) [2012-04-05 14:44] upgraded thunderbird (11.0-1 -> 11.0.1-1) [2012-04-23 16:11] upgraded thunderbird (11.0.1-1 -> 11.0.1-2) [2012-04-26 09:00] upgraded thunderbird (11.0.1-2 -> 12.0-1) [2012-05-09 16:24] upgraded thunderbird (12.0-1 -> 12.0.1-1) [2012-06-14 13:39] upgraded thunderbird (12.0.1-1 -> 13.0-1) [2012-06-19 13:06] upgraded thunderbird (13.0-1 -> 13.0.1-1) [2012-07-20 11:15] upgraded thunderbird (13.0.1-1 -> 14.0-1) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
On 08/01/2012 12:19 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
How do I get the mail back?
Could be related:? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=541103 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=561165 Seems like there is a bug in Tbird not allowing selection of IMAP only folder that can hold messages and folders (from my quick skim). The tbird folks have not proven very IMAP friendly over the years... with defaults like downloading the IMAP store to local storage on windows to the user's "roaming profile", and then having most of their features only work for local content. They never got that many IMAP servers had search abilities that run quite a bit quicker than a javascript-searches--and that IMAP servers were really like file-systems -- not something to downloaded like POP mail that they predominantly dealt with... ---- I had mail loss problems -- had backups fortunately. Scary... Nightmare synchronizing old mail from backups to folders. I keep most of my archives read-only now... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 05.08.2012 03:43, schrieb Linda Walsh:
Seems like there is a bug in Tbird not allowing selection of IMAP only folder that can hold messages and folders (from my quick skim).
? I use IMAP folders which have messages and subfolders. Not sure what you mean.
The tbird folks have not proven very IMAP friendly over the years... with defaults like downloading the IMAP store to local storage on windows to the user's "roaming profile", and then having most of their features only work for local content.
Thunderbird is known to support IMAP very well compared to many other MUAs. The reason to download all mail by default is offline usability and local indexing
They never got that many IMAP servers had search abilities that run quite a bit quicker than a javascript-searches--and that IMAP servers were really like file-systems -- not something to downloaded like POP mail that they predominantly dealt with...
IMAP has search capabilities indeed. But how many do have full text search with an index by default? Perform a remote IMAP full text search on an IMAP server without a full text index and compare the speed with local TB search performance. That said if your personal IMAP server has a full text search index/engine feel free to disable the TB index and disable the fetching of all IMAP mail if you do not need it on the road. Not sure where there is _bad_ IMAP support involved here. I never had mail loss with Thunderbird (not caused by myself) since around 10 years with different IMAP servers. That does not mean that there might be some issue hiding somewhere in some situations where something could happen though. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 05.08.2012 03:43, schrieb Linda Walsh:
Seems like there is a bug in Tbird not allowing selection of IMAP only folder that can hold messages and folders (from my quick skim).
? I use IMAP folders which have messages and subfolders. Not sure what you mean.
The tbird folks have not proven very IMAP friendly over the years... with defaults like downloading the IMAP store to local storage on windows to the user's "roaming profile", and then having most of their features only work for local content.
Thunderbird is known to support IMAP very well compared to many other MUAs. The reason to download all mail by default is offline usability and local indexing
I would tend to agree with Linda that it is a poorly chosen default.
They never got that many IMAP servers had search abilities that run quite a bit quicker than a javascript-searches--and that IMAP servers were really like file-systems -- not something to downloaded like POP mail that they predominantly dealt with...
IMAP has search capabilities indeed. But how many do have full text search with an index by default?
Impossible to say - I guess the TB folks think it's unusual for a server to have. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (22.2°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-08-05 13:24, Per Jessen wrote:
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Thunderbird is known to support IMAP very well compared to many other MUAs. The reason to download all mail by default is offline usability and local indexing
I would tend to agree with Linda that it is a poorly chosen default.
It works well with remote server with slow links.
They never got that many IMAP servers had search abilities that run quite a bit quicker than a javascript-searches--and that IMAP servers were really like file-systems -- not something to downloaded like POP mail that they predominantly dealt with...
IMAP has search capabilities indeed. But how many do have full text search with an index by default?
Impossible to say - I guess the TB folks think it's unusual for a server to have.
I have attempted a few times searches using my local dovecot imap server. I had to kill Th. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAeX1cACgkQIvFNjefEBxrRdgCeOG5OeoyPXcSfVBf4qIroB0RS JWkAoKeiIOYoQ43GkppYFUGTYinba7nm =yop1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 05.08.2012 13:56, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2012-08-05 13:24, Per Jessen wrote:
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Thunderbird is known to support IMAP very well compared to many other MUAs. The reason to download all mail by default is offline usability and local indexing
I would tend to agree with Linda that it is a poorly chosen default.
It works well with remote server with slow links.
They never got that many IMAP servers had search abilities that run quite a bit quicker than a javascript-searches--and that IMAP servers were really like file-systems -- not something to downloaded like POP mail that they predominantly dealt with...
IMAP has search capabilities indeed. But how many do have full text search with an index by default?
Impossible to say - I guess the TB folks think it's unusual for a server to have.
I have attempted a few times searches using my local dovecot imap server. I had to kill Th.
I'm not sure what you have done. My Thunderbird can search via IMAP pretty fine. And my Dovecot having an FTS index it's also pretty fast but honestly I'm sure that FTS indexes in public IMAP services is not widespread at all. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 05.08.2012 13:56, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2012-08-05 13:24, Per Jessen wrote:
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Thunderbird is known to support IMAP very well compared to many other MUAs. The reason to download all mail by default is offline usability and local indexing
I would tend to agree with Linda that it is a poorly chosen default.
It works well with remote server with slow links.
They never got that many IMAP servers had search abilities that run quite a bit quicker than a javascript-searches--and that IMAP servers were really like file-systems -- not something to downloaded like POP mail that they predominantly dealt with...
IMAP has search capabilities indeed. But how many do have full text search with an index by default?
Impossible to say - I guess the TB folks think it's unusual for a server to have.
I have attempted a few times searches using my local dovecot imap server. I had to kill Th.
I'm not sure what you have done. My Thunderbird can search via IMAP pretty fine.
Ditto.
And my Dovecot having an FTS index it's also pretty fast but honestly I'm sure that FTS indexes in public IMAP services is not widespread at all.
I'm not sure public IMAP services are widespread either :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (23.2°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 05.08.2012 14:34, schrieb Per Jessen:
And my Dovecot having an FTS index it's also pretty fast but honestly I'm sure that FTS indexes in public IMAP services is not widespread at all.
I'm not sure public IMAP services are widespread either :-)
Probably wrong words. Public was not meant as free. But I was talking about IMAP services you get with your Internet account, hosting package and so on. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 05.08.2012 14:34, schrieb Per Jessen:
And my Dovecot having an FTS index it's also pretty fast but honestly I'm sure that FTS indexes in public IMAP services is not widespread at all.
I'm not sure public IMAP services are widespread either :-)
Probably wrong words. Public was not meant as free. But I was talking about IMAP services you get with your Internet account, hosting package and so on.
I would certainly expect an IMAP server for paying(=hosted) customers to include full-text indexing. I would be pleasantly surprised if the IMAP server from my access provider also had it. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (23.3°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 05.08.2012 14:44, schrieb Per Jessen:
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 05.08.2012 14:34, schrieb Per Jessen:
And my Dovecot having an FTS index it's also pretty fast but honestly I'm sure that FTS indexes in public IMAP services is not widespread at all.
I'm not sure public IMAP services are widespread either :-)
Probably wrong words. Public was not meant as free. But I was talking about IMAP services you get with your Internet account, hosting package and so on.
I would certainly expect an IMAP server for paying(=hosted) customers to include full-text indexing. I would be pleasantly surprised if the IMAP server from my access provider also had it.
Ok, I have some experience with big mail providers and let me tell you that most have no full text index. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 05.08.2012 14:44, schrieb Per Jessen:
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 05.08.2012 14:34, schrieb Per Jessen:
And my Dovecot having an FTS index it's also pretty fast but honestly I'm sure that FTS indexes in public IMAP services is not widespread at all.
I'm not sure public IMAP services are widespread either :-)
Probably wrong words. Public was not meant as free. But I was talking about IMAP services you get with your Internet account, hosting package and so on.
I would certainly expect an IMAP server for paying(=hosted) customers to include full-text indexing. I would be pleasantly surprised if the IMAP server from my access provider also had it.
Ok, I have some experience with big mail providers and let me tell you that most have no full text index.
Sure, I'll take your word for it - there are however many more smaller hosting services providers, and having a full-text index is or could be a selling point for them. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (24.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-08-05 14:03, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 05.08.2012 13:56, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
I have attempted a few times searches using my local dovecot imap server. I had to kill Th.
I'm not sure what you have done. My Thunderbird can search via IMAP pretty fine.
Last time I tried was long ago. Ok, so I try a search in my local dovecot server for messages containing "ldap" in the subject line, and I get results very fast. Then I repeat the same search but in the body... I'm still waiting. The process "imap" is at 100% cpu. Disk activity is nil. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAeab0ACgkQIvFNjefEBxop/gCfYdmnQLbWPbyCMdNnz2ZM4w4d g9YAn3IcIFGqGV8x35q11Xzv4PCpADuo =47Pp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-08-05 14:40, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2012-08-05 14:03, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 05.08.2012 13:56, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
I have attempted a few times searches using my local dovecot imap server. I had to kill Th.
I'm not sure what you have done. My Thunderbird can search via IMAP pretty fine.
Last time I tried was long ago. Ok, so I try a search in my local dovecot server for messages containing "ldap" in the subject line, and I get results very fast. Then I repeat the same search but in the body... I'm still waiting. The process "imap" is at 100% cpu. Disk activity is nil.
And waiting... - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAebw8ACgkQIvFNjefEBxrr9gCfTC/d+nSSYppm9rbDQK3Wcrap mhUAnjEt6vrNE+jFO7wmd3KcnOofCFqQ =5eQU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-08-05 15:03, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2012-08-05 14:40, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2012-08-05 14:03, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 05.08.2012 13:56, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
I have attempted a few times searches using my local dovecot imap server. I had to kill Th.
I'm not sure what you have done. My Thunderbird can search via IMAP pretty fine.
Last time I tried was long ago. Ok, so I try a search in my local dovecot server for messages containing "ldap" in the subject line, and I get results very fast. Then I repeat the same search but in the body... I'm still waiting. The process "imap" is at 100% cpu. Disk activity is nil.
And waiting...
And waiting... One core at 100% with imap, another at 50% with thunderbird. The hard disk that contains the emails is almost idling, with some times going to 15 MB/s. And 'ldap' is a word happening thousands of times, as I have several years of suse lists stored - yet it finds none. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAec5UACgkQIvFNjefEBxpk9QCgroI+mZouzYZ34+I3byaKTwMm leoAoIUV43u078Z/M4dpAv0atbi9mVQR =Z+l1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2012-08-05 14:40, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2012-08-05 14:03, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 05.08.2012 13:56, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
I have attempted a few times searches using my local dovecot imap server. I had to kill Th.
I'm not sure what you have done. My Thunderbird can search via IMAP pretty fine.
Last time I tried was long ago. Ok, so I try a search in my local dovecot server for messages containing "ldap" in the subject line, and I get results very fast. Then I repeat the same search but in the body... I'm still waiting. The process "imap" is at 100% cpu. Disk activity is nil.
And waiting...
Your full-text index isn't working - a typical search should not take more than 2-3 seconds. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (24.2°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-08-05 15:33, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
And waiting...
Your full-text index isn't working - a typical search should not take more than 2-3 seconds.
Ok, so why doesn't Th. say that server side search is not available? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAedq8ACgkQIvFNjefEBxoZAgCgllMgMwbXiWjBHuyfn7vUeAOW 8IgAn0V4vnPOuHRTtYCujANsZq7VWbpO =uIQi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 05.08.2012 15:35, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2012-08-05 15:33, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
And waiting...
Your full-text index isn't working - a typical search should not take more than 2-3 seconds.
Ok, so why doesn't Th. say that server side search is not available?
Because it is available in theory. It's taking ages though. Dovecot can full text search your mailbox but it's more or less useless for big mailboxes. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2012-08-05 13:24, Per Jessen wrote:
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Thunderbird is known to support IMAP very well compared to many other MUAs. The reason to download all mail by default is offline usability and local indexing
I would tend to agree with Linda that it is a poorly chosen default.
It works well with remote server with slow links.
Perhaps slow links != most common connection to IMAP server. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (23.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-08-05 14:35, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
It works well with remote server with slow links.
Perhaps slow links != most common connection to IMAP server.
Most of my mail accounts have imap. Gmail, Telefonica, Terra... only one "professional" account is on pop3. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAedHwACgkQIvFNjefEBxpYNwCdGbSF50OV1bqvmLJXAdJ/E0R0 VR4An1mCiXIYC3NQV74wZK75kSkpmyeT =4cxH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:24:10 +0200
Per Jessen
I would tend to agree with Linda that it is a poorly chosen default.
Default is for majority, or average, email users. Literally all in this discussion (subthread) don't belong to such profile (average email user has no above average computer skills) so there is no adequate personal experience from that standpoint. Also, most likely, none in a discussion has access to the statistical data about usage patterns, unlike Mozilla developers. So, how do we decide about default :) -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Rajko wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:24:10 +0200 Per Jessen
wrote: ...
I would tend to agree with Linda that it is a poorly chosen default.
Default is for majority, or average, email users.
Default, majority have POP3 accounts. No question. easily over 75% of the market. IMAP -- very rare -- as B.G., (b4google), free mail services didn't keep email on their servers. IMAP was designed for corporate use where roaming profiles would be a strongly possibility. The default to store a 6G IMAP store in a users ROAMING profile that gets uploaded and downloaded to the server (or sync'ed anyway) @ each login is one of the most self-serving and unthinking decisions mozilla has made. My searches in a large email box take about -- FULL text are faster on IMAP than it could be locally. on a 24MB email box -- <1 second, on a 49MB email box... 7 seconds. (Weird!?).... Most of my email boxes are <15MB. (using Dovecot). They want to cache it locally for speed?, but I have to pay for it everytime I login/out with with a ~10-12 minute wait/Gig added to my logout time (max, that I waited for was 50 minutes, and about 1-2 for login. But then -- it's great...one of the reasons I put email on the server was to save space on local desktop (smaller drives) -- server has large disks. Of course when I logout, I get my email store duplicated multiple times (the original), and my Domain login, and my local login (also has roaming profile).
Also, most likely, none in a discussion has access to the statistical data about usage patterns, unlike Mozilla developers.
--- Now days, the newer services off all, (you can use Google can't you?) but the majority of users with longer term ISP accounts are on POP.... from every user I've ever helped and every end-user account FAQ I ever read -- all were pop based. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 8/12/2012 6:06 PM, Linda Walsh wrote:
Now days, the newer services off all, (you can use Google can't you?) but the majority of users with longer term ISP accounts are on POP.... from every user I've ever helped and every end-user account FAQ I ever read -- all were pop based.
I wonder if you are taking into account all the corporate exchange out there as well as the stupendous number of gmail addresses and yahoo addresses. Gmail: 425 million as of June 28th, 2012 Yahoo! Mail was the second largest web-based email service with 310 million users as of October 2011, -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
On 8/12/2012 6:06 PM, Linda Walsh wrote:
Now days, the newer services off all, (you can use Google can't you?) but the majority of users with longer term ISP accounts are on POP.... from every user I've ever helped and every end-user account FAQ I ever read -- all were pop based.
I wonder if you are taking into account all the corporate exchange out there as well as the stupendous number of gmail addresses and yahoo addresses.
I did say Pre gmail.. No...did not include Corporate Exchange clients as openSuSE is not a corporate produce and TB doesn't (AFAIK) support exchange that I know of (I only see configs for POP/IMAP in mine).
Gmail: 425 million as of June 28th, 2012 Yahoo! Mail was the second largest web-based email service with 310
Neither of those are a protocol. Gmail supports POP3(S), IMAP(S), and webmail. Yahoo... webmail and POP3(S) that I'm aware of(my parents are saddled with a provider who uses yahoo mail and they don't have an imap option). If you have webmail...and use it that way, then talking about reading it through Thunderbird is a bit irrelevant, is it not? Or am I missing your point? In both of the above, if you use webmail, you use a browser and a local email client doesn't usually enter into it, so I'm not counting webmail access -- only those services used by the public / end-users that provide some email download service to a local client where the local client can store the messages (not and as "save as webpage...)... Does that clarify my statement? I will easily admit that webmail usage probably exceeds pop3 email usage these days, BUT, this is about Thunderbird and IMAP -- neither having to do with the webmail usage. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-08-01 19:19, David C. Rankin wrote:
Guys,
This is potentially critical and I hope it is just because I am doing something wrong in tbird 14. The server is postifx, the mta is dovecot, the mailbox is imap.
MTA is postfix, dovecot is the imap/pop server.
I was searching for some critical emails from March and April 2011. Checking my inbox, there are no messages prior to 5/31/2011. WTF? So I then looked in the "archive" folder expecting to find them - nothing. There is nothing in "archive" since 12/12/2010. There is another folder called "Archive", but it has nothing in it.
The emails were stored in thunderbird own storage, or in dovecot's imap folders? In the second case, verify with another MUA. In the first case, browse the files with midnight commander. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAZuqgACgkQIvFNjefEBxpOawCdGWX8q/Ywo2/Jl8quM6Mznzy6 h1EAnR6YNuYYqkm7z2r+y0n95OGHx9BD =O+uG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/01/2012 06:24 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The emails were stored in thunderbird own storage, or in dovecot's imap folders? In the second case, verify with another MUA. In the first case, browse the files with midnight commander.
Carlos,
I think I'm hosed. The emails are stored in dovecot. The last archived message
in the 'archive' file is 12/12/10, the file date on the file is 5/18/11, eg:
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X-Keywords: NonJunk
Repository 'Main Update Repository' is invalid.
File /repodata/repomd.xml not found on media:
http://download.opensuse.org/update/10.3/
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Disabling repository 'Main Update Repository' because of the above error.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-08-02 02:58, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 08/01/2012 06:24 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The first message in /var/spool/mail is from May 31, 2011, so the messages between 12/10/10 and 5/31/11 are completely missing. That makes no sense. They were there, now they are just gone. I am suspicious that our rapid version race may have introduced a bug between ver. 3 and 14 that is quietly being swept under the rug...
I'm going to make another backup... - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAaO+AACgkQIvFNjefEBxo96wCfV6MyvWxdQKsEn74w/y7cHtAn UygAn0ATDgXP4PKzOfwBc/rrXLvtZTeG =9z83 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
Guys,
This is potentially critical and I hope it is just because I am doing something wrong in tbird 14. The server is postifx, the mta is dovecot, the mailbox is imap.
I was searching for some critical emails from March and April 2011. Checking my inbox, there are no messages prior to 5/31/2011. WTF? So I then looked in the "archive" folder expecting to find them - nothing. There is nothing in "archive" since 12/12/2010. There is another folder called "Archive", but it has nothing in it.
Checking the Settings -> Copies & Folders under Message Archives, I have the following:
[x] Keep messages archives in: o "Archives" Folder on Rankin Law Firm Archive options... When archiving messages, place them in: o Yearly archived folders [x] Keep existing folder structure of archived messages
Checking the actual mail files on the server in ~/Mail, I have an "archive" showing the date of "May 18 2011 archive". However, when I look at the archive in tbird there is nothing shown from 12/12/10 on and nothing in my inbox before 5/31/11. So where is all the mail from 12/12/10-5/31/11?
I cannot express the enormity and implications of a potential loss like this. Apparently the mail is still in the "archive" file, but not displayed in the "archive" folder of tbird?
How do I get the mail back?
I don't think it's a problem with either Thunderbird or Dovecot. My email goes back to 2001, when I first started using Linux as my main system. I currently use Dovecot, but started out with UoW IMAP. Given it appears this is for business use, I hope you have maintained backups. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/02/2012 07:30 AM, James Knott wrote:
I don't think it's a problem with either Thunderbird or Dovecot. My email goes back to 2001, when I first started using Linux as my main system. I currently use Dovecot, but started out with UoW IMAP.
Given it appears this is for business use, I hope you have maintained backups.
Thankfully Yes -- but not needed, The answer in this case is 'good filtering and bad memory....' The confirmation provided by grep: grep Date: * | grep 2011 > ../tmp/mdates.txt grep "Jan\|Feb\|Mar\|Apr" mdates.txt case:Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 15:57:49 -0600 case:Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 23:25:28 -0600 <snip> case:Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 08:28:41 -0600 <snip> copier-Sharp-ARM355N:Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 10:00:16 -0600 <snip> dcr:Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:23:10 -0600 dcr:Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 21:15:01 -0600 <snip> Drafts:Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 15:37:14 -0600 Drafts:Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:24:53 -0500 <snip> ecommerce:Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:59:51 -0700 (PDT) fax:Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:03:33 -0500 <snip> federal_court:Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:32:14 -0600 federal_court:Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:14:13 -0600 federal_court:Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 15:26:32 -0600 federal_court:Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:16:41 -0500 <snip> ... It appears that archive did what it was supposed to do (as far a saving messages from the inbox). However it did NOT save them in yearly folders as set in the settings tab. That threw me off and focused my attention on the archive situation. The missing email that was not in either the inbox or archive had been filtered into numerous folders... So, yes, I get to wear the pointed circular cap while sitting turned facing the corner for the next few hours.... (which is much better than the alternative... ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/10/12 19:59, David C. Rankin pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
It appears that archive did what it was supposed to do (as far a saving messages from the inbox). However it did NOT save them in yearly folders as set in the settings tab. That threw me off and focused my attention on the archive situation. The missing email that was not in either the inbox or archive had been filtered into numerous folders... So, yes, I get to wear the pointed circular cap while sitting turned facing the corner for the next few hours.... (which is much better than the alternative... ;-)
If you have a corner office with a view it won't be too bad. :-) -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 8/1/2012 1:19 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
I was searching for some critical emails from March and April 2011. Checking my inbox, there are no messages prior to 5/31/2011. WTF? So I then looked in the "archive" folder expecting to find them - nothing. There is nothing in "archive" since 12/12/2010. There is another folder called "Archive", but it has nothing in it. I have been following this thread and am interested since I use Thunderbird both at home and work. Most of the time I use pop so I don't have a lot of experience with imap. I set up imap for my wife just so she can get e-mail on her phone and at home.
It may be a totally different issue but I can't help but wonder if what you are seeing is related to the problem that I have seen a few times with Thunderbird and pop. Messages would not show in Tbird but they are in the mail file. The problem that I had was the X-Mozilla-Status tag getting a bad value that would cause messages to be hidden. I wrote my own program to go through a mail file, resetting all the X-Mozilla-Status tags. Damon Register -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/08/12 07:39, Damon Register wrote:
On 8/1/2012 1:19 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
I was searching for some critical emails from March and April 2011. Checking my inbox, there are no messages prior to 5/31/2011. WTF? So I then looked in the "archive" folder expecting to find them - nothing. There is nothing in "archive" since 12/12/2010. There is another folder called "Archive", but it has nothing in it. I have been following this thread and am interested since I use Thunderbird both at home and work. Most of the time I use pop so I don't have a lot of experience with imap. I set up imap for my wife just so she can get e-mail on her phone and at home.
It may be a totally different issue but I can't help but wonder if what you are seeing is related to the problem that I have seen a few times with Thunderbird and pop. Messages would not show in Tbird but they are in the mail file. The problem that I had was the X-Mozilla-Status tag getting a bad value that would cause messages to be hidden. I wrote my own program to go through a mail file, resetting all the X-Mozilla-Status tags.
Damon Register
Doesn't the "Rebuild [folder] Indexes" option work? BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.8.4 & kernel 3.5.0-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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Basil Chupin
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Carlos E. R.
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Damon Register
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David C. Rankin
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James Knott
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John Andersen
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Ken Schneider - openSUSE
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Linda Walsh
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Per Jessen
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Rajko
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Wolfgang Rosenauer