[opensuse] first look at 11.4 - livecd
Trying very hard to put aside my anti kde4 prejudice and give 11.4 a fair chance. so i dl'd the kde live cd and booted from it. It seems that everything worked, but the striped screen with apparently different scale on adjascent stripes looks weird, is that supposed to be normal? Then I tried to click on some things like firefox and office, firefox seems to take for ever and a day to do anything. My cpu is a 2.4 ghz -4 core intel job and i have 8 gb of ram, the internet connection is thru roadrunner cable, so i am not used to watching the firefox ball bouncing up / down and leaving contrails on the screen if i move the mouse. Is this due to the nouvew (sp?) driver for the 8600 nvidia card? is the general rather serious sluggishness the result of that driver? if yes, is there a way to upgrade the driver in the livecd session? if yes, can someone please help? thanks in advance, d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:07,
Trying very hard to put aside my anti kde4 prejudice and give 11.4 a fair chance. so i dl'd the kde live cd and booted from it. It seems that everything worked, but the striped screen with apparently different scale on adjascent stripes looks weird, is that supposed to be normal?
It's just the wallpaper that was selected for the default in 11.4. Some people like it, others don't.. some think it looks weird, others think it's artistic. It's a matter of taste... it's not a defect in the desktop.
Then I tried to click on some things like firefox and office, firefox seems to take for ever and a day to do anything.
Well... you ARE running it as a LiveCD, of course it's slow. It won't matter what Window Manager, or what distro you're using, if it needs to load something off the CD it will be limited by the speed and performance of the CD drive. On my system, it's easily 10x (probably a lot more) or more slower running off CD than locally installed. You cannot judge performance of a distro based on how it runs while loading off CD (note, I said while loading off CD... some LiveCDs allow you to do performance enhancing things like set a toram boot option) Install it on a hard drive and you'll see a very significant difference in overall performance. On my 11.4/KDE4 install, Firefox is up and running in 1 second or so... maybe less (it doesn't get a chance to bounce the icon even once between me clicking on the icon and Firefox up and running)... it's hard to actually measure it.
gb of ram, the internet connection is thru roadrunner cable, so i am not used to watching the firefox ball bouncing up / down and leaving contrails on the screen if i move the mouse. Is this due to the nouvew (sp?) driver for the 8600 nvidia card? is the general rather serious sluggishness the result of that driver? if yes, is there a way to upgrade the driver in the livecd session? if yes, can someone please help? thanks in advance,
The nouveau driver actually works quite well for most everything except high end gaming. The artifacts... probably down to the fact it's a LiveCD you're running... I've seen the artifacts you're describing (usually on a LiveCD) - but not on a full install of 11.4/KDE4 regardless of the nouveau or nVidia proprietary driver. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
It seems that everything worked, but the striped screen with apparently different scale on adjascent stripes looks weird, is that supposed to be normal? I also don't care for that screen. It makes it look like your computer has a video problem. If they're going to use such horrible images, they should provide a means to easily change them to something sensible.
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On Thursday 31 Mar 2011, James Knott wrote:
If they're going to use such horrible images, they should provide a means to easily change them to something sensible.
So right clicking on the desktop to change the desktop settings is not an easy means to change the image? -- " '... but there is so much else behind what I say. It makes itself known to me so slowly, so incompletely! ...' " -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dylan wrote:
So right clicking on the desktop to change the desktop settings is not an easy means to change the image?
Can you do that during the boot sequence? That image also appears before you log on. It's just as ugly then as on the desktop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 31 March 2011 14:35:32 James Knott wrote:
Dylan wrote:
So right clicking on the desktop to change the desktop settings is not an easy means to change the image?
Can you do that during the boot sequence? That image also appears before you log on. It's just as ugly then as on the desktop.
Replace the bootsplash-branding-openSUSE and gfxboot-branding-openSUSE packages with their neutral bootsplash-branding-upstream and gfxboot-branding- upstream equivalents. You can also do this with kdebase4-workspace-branding-openSUSE, kdelibs4- branding-openSUSE and kdm-branding-openSUSE to get the default Horos theme from upstream KDE. And please consider helping in the artwork selection process next release, or recruiting someone arty who shares your tastes - obviously, if only twentysomething college students make and choose the artwork, go figure who the artwork will please... Will -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 31 March 2011 16:44:46 Will Stephenson wrote:
And please consider helping in the artwork selection process next release, or recruiting someone arty who shares your tastes - obviously, if only twentysomething college students make and choose the artwork, go figure who the artwork will please...
I like the openSUSE artwork starting from 11.2 (never seen previous rereases). I thought it was designed by professional designers. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 31 March 2011 14:56:48 Ilya Chernykh wrote:
On Thursday 31 March 2011 16:44:46 Will Stephenson wrote:
And please consider helping in the artwork selection process next release, or recruiting someone arty who shares your tastes - obviously, if only twentysomething college students make and choose the artwork, go figure who the artwork will please...
I like the openSUSE artwork starting from 11.2 (never seen previous rereases). I thought it was designed by professional designers.
It was, up until 11.3 when Jimmac left Novell, leaving the openSUSE BU without a fulltime icons and wallpaper employee. 11.4's artwork was designed by Ivan Cukic who is, as far as I know, a twentysomething IT student and Nepomuk (boo! ;)) and Plasma Activities (wassatforthen? ;)) hacker, who happens to make very nice wallpapers on the side. Will -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 15:04, Will Stephenson wrote:
On Thursday 31 March 2011 14:56:48 Ilya Chernykh wrote:
On Thursday 31 March 2011 16:44:46 Will Stephenson wrote:
And please consider helping in the artwork selection process next release, or recruiting someone arty who shares your tastes - obviously, if only twentysomething college students make and choose the artwork, go figure who the artwork will please...
I like the openSUSE artwork starting from 11.2 (never seen previous rereases). I thought it was designed by professional designers.
It was, up until 11.3 when Jimmac left Novell, leaving the openSUSE BU without a fulltime icons and wallpaper employee. 11.4's artwork was designed by Ivan Cukic who is, as far as I know, a twentysomething IT student and Nepomuk (boo! ;)) and Plasma Activities (wassatforthen? ;)) hacker, who happens to make very nice wallpapers on the side.
Choosing a default walpaper and other artwork is a thankless job. One group of people will like it or be OK with it, and the next will find it "ugly". I don't think there is any true pleasing everyone. The current default is OK, but I can see the point that some people have with it being odd. At first glance you could be forgiven for thinking "what's wrong with the display?" :-) It is unique an different, and there's nothing wrong with that. it's part of the openSUSE identity... being different. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 03/31/2011 08:29 AM, Dylan pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Thursday 31 Mar 2011, James Knott wrote:
If they're going to use such horrible images, they should provide a means to easily change them to something sensible.
So right clicking on the desktop to change the desktop settings is not an easy means to change the image?
To change the login splash screen used when you login open the personal settings app and go to Workspace Appearance and Behavior-->Workspace Appearance-->Splash Screen And change it to whatever else you want. I think the login manager is when you can change the theme for the screen where you enter your login info. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 14:20, James Knott wrote:
kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
It seems that everything worked, but the striped screen with apparently different scale on adjascent stripes looks weird, is that supposed to be normal?
I also don't care for that screen. It makes it look like your computer has a video problem. If they're going to use such horrible images, they should provide a means to easily change them to something sensible.
Ummm.. right click on the desktop and change it... same basic steps in Gnome and KDE to change it. It's not that hard regardless of what window manager you use. If you don't like the default wallpaper, then get involved in the next release, and suggest s better one to the art team. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
2011/3/31 James Knott
kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
It seems that everything worked, but the striped screen with apparently different scale on adjascent stripes looks weird, is that supposed to be normal?
I also don't care for that screen. It makes it look like your computer has a video problem.
My girlfriend does also not like that theme/background even if it is only on *my* laptop. I get only a slide shock for half a second when I tested 11.4 in a milestone but get used to that look.
If they're going to use such horrible images, they should provide a means to easily change them to something sensible.
With GNOME and openSUSE 11.4 I am able to right-click on the desktop, click in the appearing window on "Choose Desktop Background" and choose between 16 different images to use as a desktop background. A click further are other images provided on http://art.gnome.org/backgrounds/ from The GNOME Project. I have not jet tried there but I guess it would be not so much more difficult with KDE and openSUSE 11.4. Regards Martin (pistazienfresser) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:57:13 +0530, pistazienfresser
If they're going to use such horrible images, they should provide a means to easily change them to something sensible. With GNOME and openSUSE 11.4 I am able to right-click on the desktop, click in the appearing window on "Choose Desktop Background" and choose between 16 different images to use as a desktop background. A click further are other images provided on http://art.gnome.org/backgrounds/ from The GNOME Project. I have not jet tried there but I guess it would be not so much more difficult with KDE and openSUSE 11.4.
or choose / create your own image. (i know it works in KDE, and strongly suspect it does in GNOME, too.) -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 31 March 2011 03:27:13 am pistazienfresser wrote:
2011/3/31 James Knott
kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
It seems that everything worked, but the striped screen with apparently different scale on adjascent stripes looks weird, is that supposed to be normal?
I also don't care for that screen. It makes it look like your computer has a video problem.
My girlfriend does also not like that theme/background even if it is only on *my* laptop. I get only a slide shock for half a second when I tested 11.4 in a milestone but get used to that look.
If they're going to use such horrible images, they should provide a means to easily change them to something sensible.
With GNOME and openSUSE 11.4 I am able to right-click on the desktop, click in the appearing window on "Choose Desktop Background" and choose between 16 different images to use as a desktop background. A click further are other images provided on http://art.gnome.org/backgrounds/ from The GNOME Project.
I have not jet tried there but I guess it would be not so much more difficult with KDE and openSUSE 11.4.
Regards Martin (pistazienfresser)
Thanks for the help all:) re wallpaper, the question was asked because it was not clear if the image was distorted by a bad driver or artwork, there are many threads in this forum about video problems and my first impression was that the driver was borked. Thanks Will for explaining that the image was the choice of a twenty something hacker, my 22 year old son would probably pick an even more radical image, just to shock the old man:) but my speed question remains. I have 8gb ram. It would be nice if the live cd could see and use that space, actually I am surprised that it does not. Is there a way to tell the livecd to use my ram in some way? perhaps the next livecd will have that capability:) d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 16:07, wrote:
but my speed question remains. I have 8gb ram. It would be nice if the live cd could see and use that space, actually I am surprised that it does not. Is there a way to tell the livecd to use my ram in some way? perhaps the next livecd will have that capability:)
This was raised as an OpenFate request: https://features.opensuse.org/311011 C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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