So, three days ago, after a while of being too busy to update, I fired up Yast's software update module. I just did an update on everything available, went through the conflict resolution windows (many fewer than I had expected) and started it going. Nine-point-something gigabytes. Makes sense, I haven't updated in a few months. Now I have Yast minimized. Really? Three days and 9 gigabytes is still going? Do I, perhaps, have a slow connection? No, I have the fastest DSL available for my area. Yeah, it should have finished on the first day. So why is it still going? Actually, it's not. Right now, it's paused because I got tired of hitting "OK" and then "Skip". I'll tell you my mistake. Yes, some of these that I need to skip come from Contrib and Packman and common and the like, but that would annoy me MUCH less if I had waited until it was finished to try KDE. I have not had one single time in the past year or more where the packages were not updated on the server while *I* was trying to download them. I've thought about this for a while, but since I'd always wait until my update was finished, I just didn't bother because at that point I could relax and didn't want to deal with it. But what if, in that R/I/A window, we could add an option to check for updates of to-be-installed packages on the servers that are having problems? It could then pop up another window telling you what was found and what else was needed and blah blah blah for your approval. (I always approve blah blah blah, personally.) Now, here's the thing. I have 11.0. Yes, I'm slow to upgrade. I go about every other version, so a few months from now, I'm updating to 11.2. So I'm betting (hoping) someone will tell me that something like this has been added since my version. So, I'm ready. Tell me. Allay my annoyances. Please. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 19/11/09 13:15, Constantinos Galilei wrote:
So, three days ago, after a while of being too busy to update, I fired up Yast's software update module. I just did an update on everything available, went through the conflict resolution windows (many fewer than I had expected) and started it going.
Nine-point-something gigabytes. Makes sense, I haven't updated in a few months.
9+GB sounds just a bit too much. Something not quite right here. [pruned]
Now, here's the thing. I have 11.0. Yes, I'm slow to upgrade. I go about every other version, so a few months from now, I'm updating to 11.2. So I'm betting (hoping) someone will tell me that something like this has been added since my version.
So, I'm ready. Tell me. Allay my annoyances. Please.
Firstly, we are now up to v11.2, which I am running, and do not remember how things work/ed in 11.0. However, while there have been improvements in YaST in 11.2 the RETRY - SKIP - ABORT is still there and, if you are using YaST, then you need to select the action. BUT, the much better way to go, at least in 11.2, is to use from the command line "zypper refresh" and "zypper dup (or up, depending)". When zypper dup, or up, starts it will automatically restart a download should you lose connection and it chooses an alternate site if it cannot download a file from the "first" one. About the only time you need to respond is during "zypper refresh" when it finds that some repository cannot be accessed for zypper to refresh, or when it has to import a key for the repo. (No doubt someone will correct me if I have misunderstood how zypper woks or what it does but I think I am at least broadly correct :-) - speaking from my own use it.) BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday November 18 2009 9:32:30 pm Basil Chupin wrote:
On 19/11/09 13:15, Constantinos Galilei wrote:
Nine-point-something gigabytes. Makes sense, I haven't updated in a few months.
9+GB sounds just a bit too much. Something not quite right here.
No, it's right. I have a lot from the games repo.
Now, here's the thing. I have 11.0. Yes, I'm slow to upgrade. I go about every other version, so a few months from now, I'm updating to 11.2. So I'm betting (hoping) someone will tell me that something like this has been added since my version.
So, I'm ready. Tell me. Allay my annoyances. Please.
Firstly, we are now up to v11.2, which I am running, and do not remember how things work/ed in 11.0.
Yes, 11.2 just came out. Exactly why I'm going to upgrade in a few months. :D
However, while there have been improvements in YaST in 11.2 the RETRY - SKIP - ABORT is still there and, if you are using YaST, then you need to select the action.
Can't they at least allow me to "Skip all" or something so I don't have to sit here forever? Even when I'm just updating KDE, I'll get halfway through it, and then most of the files will no longer download because they were updated on the server and the only way to avoid THAT hassle is with another hassle - aborting, waiting to make sure they get it all done, then start over again.
BUT, the much better way to go, at least in 11.2, is to use from the command line "zypper refresh" and "zypper dup (or up, depending)". When zypper dup, or up, starts it will automatically restart a download should you lose connection and it chooses an alternate site if it cannot download a file from the "first" one. About the only time you need to respond is during "zypper refresh" when it finds that some repository cannot be accessed for zypper to refresh, or when it has to import a key for the repo.
I love zypper. It just acts like I have a small portion of what I actually have installed. Similarly, there are things on the repos that zypper doesn't seem to be able to find. I'll open up Yast, look in the same repo, and right there is what I want. Yesterday, I tried zypper up amsn. It told me that package wasn't installed. rpm called it a liar. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 19/11/09 14:46, Constantinos Galilei wrote:
On Wednesday November 18 2009 9:32:30 pm Basil Chupin wrote:
On 19/11/09 13:15, Constantinos Galilei wrote:
Nine-point-something gigabytes. Makes sense, I haven't updated in a few months.
9+GB sounds just a bit too much. Something not quite right here.
No, it's right. I have a lot from the games repo.
OK.
Now, here's the thing. I have 11.0. Yes, I'm slow to upgrade. I go about every other version, so a few months from now, I'm updating to 11.2. So I'm betting (hoping) someone will tell me that something like this has been added since my version.
So, I'm ready. Tell me. Allay my annoyances. Please.
Firstly, we are now up to v11.2, which I am running, and do not remember how things work/ed in 11.0.
Yes, 11.2 just came out. Exactly why I'm going to upgrade in a few months. :D
Do it TOMORROW! :-) You won't be sorry.
However, while there have been improvements in YaST in 11.2 the RETRY - SKIP - ABORT is still there and, if you are using YaST, then you need to select the action.
Can't they at least allow me to "Skip all" or something so I don't have to sit here forever? Even when I'm just updating KDE, I'll get halfway through it, and then most of the files will no longer download because they were updated on the server and the only way to avoid THAT hassle is with another hassle - aborting, waiting to make sure they get it all done, then start over again.
Are they any "wish-for" in the (?)Bugzilla about this? If not why point this out in a bug report ('cause I cannot help :-) )?
BUT, the much better way to go, at least in 11.2, is to use from the command line "zypper refresh" and "zypper dup (or up, depending)". When zypper dup, or up, starts it will automatically restart a download should you lose connection and it chooses an alternate site if it cannot download a file from the "first" one. About the only time you need to respond is during "zypper refresh" when it finds that some repository cannot be accessed for zypper to refresh, or when it has to import a key for the repo.
I love zypper. It just acts like I have a small portion of what I actually have installed. Similarly, there are things on the repos that zypper doesn't seem to be able to find. I'll open up Yast, look in the same repo, and right there is what I want.
Yesterday, I tried zypper up amsn. It told me that package wasn't installed. rpm called it a liar.
I forgot to mention that you need to have your repos correctly selected, and have their priorities (over others) set correctly. zypper is not yet absolutely perfect. Only this morning the KDE Updater Applet (or whatever its called) "told" me that there were updates to my (11.2) system. So I go into the "zypper routine" and zypper downloaded a number of files. I then "told" the Applet to recheck for updates -- and it came back and showed that there WERE still updates to be done! In fact, there was only one, which appears to have been some security update, but, nevertheless, zypper did not pick it up (and therefore did not update it). Oh, there is also something called "aria2" which some people are rather fond of but I have never tried it. BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2009/11/19 15:30 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:
Constantinos Galilei wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
Constantinos Galilei wrote:
Now, here's the thing. I have 11.0. Yes, I'm slow to upgrade. I go about every other version, so a few months from now, I'm updating to 11.2. So I'm betting (hoping) someone will tell me that something like this has been added since my version.
So, I'm ready. Tell me. Allay my annoyances. Please.
I find 11.0's zypper quite adequate except when needing locks, which I can get by without by only updating what I know needs updating using zypper in instead of zypper up.
Firstly, we are now up to v11.2, which I am running, and do not remember how things work/ed in 11.0.
I do. I have lots of systems, with versions back to 8.1, and Factory on 7 systems. The only machine I run 24/7 runs 11.0, even though I built it after 11.1 was released. The system it replaced ran only 10.0 & 10.2. The current won't be getting 11.2 either. It may or may not be getting 11.3, though it may need to due to EOL on 11.0 happening well before 12.0 is out.
Yes, 11.2 just came out. Exactly why I'm going to upgrade in a few months. :D
Do it TOMORROW! :-)
You won't be sorry.
Unless he depends on any of the many KDE3 features missing from KDE4. At the rate it's going, KDE4 might just be suitable as a replacement for KDE3 by the time KDE5 is released. There is an unsupported optional KDE3 repo for 11.2, but I'm not confident it will remain working through the whole 11.2 lifecycle alongside KDE4's necessary inclusion of various bits to support the very presence of "unsupported" KDE3. If one is using the wrong video hardware, "upgrading" to 11.2 may constitute a painful regression. Check out support for the video chip before diving in to an "upgrade". Note this problem is an Xorg problem, not an openSUSE problem, meaning all recent distros work better on some video chips than on others. -- The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 1 Corinthians 7:3 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/19/2009 06:09 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2009/11/19 15:30 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:
Constantinos Galilei wrote:
Yes, 11.2 just came out. Exactly why I'm going to upgrade in a few months. :D
Do it TOMORROW! :-)
You won't be sorry.
Unless he depends on any of the many KDE3 features missing from KDE4. At the rate it's going, KDE4 might just be suitable as a replacement for KDE3 by the time KDE5 is released. There is an unsupported optional KDE3 repo for 11.2, but I'm not confident it will remain working through the whole 11.2 lifecycle alongside KDE4's necessary inclusion of various bits to support the very presence of "unsupported" KDE3.
If one is using the wrong video hardware, "upgrading" to 11.2 may constitute a painful regression. Check out support for the video chip before diving in to an "upgrade". Note this problem is an Xorg problem, not an openSUSE problem, meaning all recent distros work better on some video chips than on others.
Instead of upgrading, test it on another partition on the same computer. That's what I'm doing - see sig bewlow ;-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2-ex-factory "Emerald" GM) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksE/n0ACgkQU92UU+smfQXoyQCgkkA452F+rYHTVw3IGCrivtJK HA4AnjTXPMndQeo/OVXFRktTh9BiIkdY =lL8k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/19/2009 05:30 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 19/11/09 14:46, Constantinos Galilei wrote:
I love zypper. It just acts like I have a small portion of what I actually have installed. Similarly, there are things on the repos that zypper doesn't seem to be able to find. I'll open up Yast, look in the same repo, and right there is what I want.
Yesterday, I tried zypper up amsn. It told me that package wasn't installed. rpm called it a liar.
I forgot to mention that you need to have your repos correctly selected, and have their priorities (over others) set correctly.
zypper is not yet absolutely perfect.
zypper needs understanding. There is "update", there is "patch", there is "dup", and the meaning changed between 11.0 and 11.1.
Oh, there is also something called "aria2" which some people are rather fond of but I have never tried it.
Well, that cute thing is behing zypper ability to download from several servers at a time, bypasing problems with bad or stuck connections or mirrors. Not available for 11.0, experimental on 11.1 if you use an environment variable (ZYPP_ARIA2C=1), and perhaps used by default on 11.2 - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2-ex-factory "Emerald" GM) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksE/+8ACgkQU92UU+smfQVL9QCfTclRrJ4EuxgUPLqAFFWY3ZlA zF4AoIq9Qe3D/q6+F93mqZW6IvB3RBmU =7pM0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 19/11/09 19:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 11/19/2009 05:30 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 19/11/09 14:46, Constantinos Galilei wrote:
I love zypper. It just acts like I have a small portion of what I actually have installed. Similarly, there are things on the repos that zypper doesn't seem to be able to find. I'll open up Yast, look in the same repo, and right there is what I want.
Yesterday, I tried zypper up amsn. It told me that package wasn't installed. rpm called it a liar.
I forgot to mention that you need to have your repos correctly selected, and have their priorities (over others) set correctly.
zypper is not yet absolutely perfect.
zypper needs understanding. There is "update", there is "patch", there is "dup", and the meaning changed between 11.0 and 11.1.
Oh, there is also something called "aria2" which some people are rather fond of but I have never tried it.
Well, that cute thing is behing zypper ability to download from several servers at a time, bypasing problems with bad or stuck connections or mirrors. Not available for 11.0, experimental on 11.1 if you use an environment variable (ZYPP_ARIA2C=1), and perhaps used by default on 11.2
Right. Which means that we need to wait for the better developed of airia2 at some later date - or switch to smart? BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/19/2009 10:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 19/11/09 19:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Oh, there is also something called "aria2" which some people are rather fond of but I have never tried it.
Well, that cute thing is behing zypper ability to download from several servers at a time, bypasing problems with bad or stuck connections or mirrors. Not available for 11.0, experimental on 11.1 if you use an environment variable (ZYPP_ARIA2C=1), and perhaps used by default on 11.2
Right. Which means that we need to wait for the better developed of airia2 at some later date - or switch to smart?
Why? What problem do you have with it now? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2-ex-factory "Emerald" GM) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksFEKUACgkQU92UU+smfQXLiwCfam24tFffqU5DL8h8rVNM09x6 908AmwShI+i70VXphmli+nLfiRQbITeK =TbyC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 19/11/09 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 11/19/2009 10:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 19/11/09 19:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Oh, there is also something called "aria2" which some people are rather fond of but I have never tried it.
Well, that cute thing is behing zypper ability to download from several servers at a time, bypasing problems with bad or stuck connections or mirrors. Not available for 11.0, experimental on 11.1 if you use an environment variable (ZYPP_ARIA2C=1), and perhaps used by default on 11.2
Right. Which means that we need to wait for the better developed of airia2 at some later date - or switch to smart?
Why? What problem do you have with it now?
None at all. I don't use it (nor smart). zypper has been pushed by oS as its file manager for, what, 2-3 years now, and when aria2 becomes the preferred choice - unless some other app. becomes "flavour of the month" - I'll just stay with zypper :-) . BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/19/2009 12:32 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 19/11/09 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 11/19/2009 10:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 19/11/09 19:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Oh, there is also something called "aria2" which some people are rather fond of but I have never tried it.
Well, that cute thing is behing zypper ability to download from several servers at a time, bypasing problems with bad or stuck connections or mirrors. Not available for 11.0, experimental on 11.1 if you use an environment variable (ZYPP_ARIA2C=1), and perhaps used by default on 11.2
Right. Which means that we need to wait for the better developed of airia2 at some later date - or switch to smart?
Why? What problem do you have with it now?
None at all. I don't use it (nor smart).
zypper has been pushed by oS as its file manager for, what, 2-3 years now, and when aria2 becomes the preferred choice - unless some other app. becomes "flavour of the month" - I'll just stay with zypper :-) .
Aria2 is not a package manager. It is the main downloader application/library used by zypper internally to download files. There is also a command line application, aria2c, which you can use for downloading the oS isos, using metalinks. It can download from several servers at the same time, and/or use torrent, and even correct a bad download retrieving the bad section instead of the entire file. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2-ex-factory "Emerald" GM) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksFQioACgkQU92UU+smfQVgxACfR6ZWJvctKZiqKT5tcdB7AFy8 fn4An2zk/ZD+nOlphXU7sUBrpu8bcCgQ =JOOd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 20/11/09 00:03, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 11/19/2009 12:32 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 19/11/09 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 11/19/2009 10:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 19/11/09 19:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Oh, there is also something called "aria2" which some people are rather fond of but I have never tried it.
Well, that cute thing is behing zypper ability to download from several servers at a time, bypasing problems with bad or stuck connections or mirrors. Not available for 11.0, experimental on 11.1 if you use an environment variable (ZYPP_ARIA2C=1), and perhaps used by default on 11.2
Right. Which means that we need to wait for the better developed of airia2 at some later date - or switch to smart?
Why? What problem do you have with it now?
None at all. I don't use it (nor smart).
zypper has been pushed by oS as its file manager for, what, 2-3 years now, and when aria2 becomes the preferred choice - unless some other app. becomes "flavour of the month" - I'll just stay with zypper :-) .
Aria2 is not a package manager. It is the main downloader application/library used by zypper internally to download files.
Must then have a look at it.
There is also a command line application, aria2c, which you can use for downloading the oS isos, using metalinks. It can download from several servers at the same time, and/or use torrent, and even correct a bad download retrieving the bad section instead of the entire file.
I use Down'EmAll, which is an extension for Firefox, for this purpose. BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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