<rant> Metacity SUX!! Where the hell does one change the font colors? I find nothing more enjoyable then trying to use evolution with white fonts on a white background. I believe this happened when a used the gtk config gui in XFCE, which didn't give white on white. Why these settings would translate over to GNOME is beyond be (besides the technical reasons of an obvious shared file/resource). I mean where is it written that settings one makes in one gui translates to all gtk based gui's? You might think that Gnome could be setup without effecting XFCE, BB, Enlightenment, etc -et al. BUT Nooooo! I miss Sawfish. After perusing Google for an answer (and Gnomes documentation has got to be the most obtuse and useless outside of the documentation for sound in linux) I came across quite a few mail threads on "brainstorm", apperently where gnome devs converse, and found something to the effect that having a setting for colors and fonts and/or both (e.g setting the colors of the fonts?) was a bad idea over the concept of the metacity theme manager and using that to set things up. Ok, fine! BUT Where the F**K is the settings of fonts, colors, or god forbid... FONT COLORS. I give full acknowledgement to the improvements in speed and functionality in this latest edition of Gnome. However, it still IMHO is not very well design in some very obvious places. This isn't a SuSE issue alone, RH's default Gnome setup is just as idiotic and useless. I really get peaved at the Idea of have Gnome pushed as the default desktop gui, especially in the corporate environment when someone has to jump through 59 hoops, take 4 years of programming, and be well versed in gtk coding in order to do something as simple as set the color of the fonts. Oh, but I can choose a camouflage background for Nautilus -- ya, that's freaking fantastic!... Nice "feature". I surely hope the guys at Ximian have done a better job at making the Gnome Desktop more user friendly and accessible - if not I can see a lot of user angst and bad press if SuSE begins to sell the Desktop edition to companies in any great volume. The various office workers that are confronted with such a braindead set of config options will surely drive the IT and management up the wall with the amount of negative complaints regarding how unfriendly the interface is. No offense to any gtk/gnome2 devs, I know you work hard at your passion, but I'd really like to know who's decision it was to go with the half-bake configurator call metacity. If I wasn't so tolerant I might say something like "he should be slapped". But that would be anitsocial and incite a flame war now, wouldn't it? <end rant> Curtis.
I can totally picture Gilbert Godfried, or how ever you spell his name, ranting. This was rather funny. Not to you of course, but to me. I especially like the, "Oh, but I can choose a camouflage background for Nautilus -- ya, that's freaking fantastic!... Nice "feature"." I could totally picture Gilbert ranting. I'm still smiling. Thanks for the laugh. I'm sure it's not a laughing matter to you. But I did want to let you know that you brought a smile to someone. I've had a rough night. Tom On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 23:06, Curtis Rey wrote:
<rant>
Metacity SUX!!
Where the hell does one change the font colors? I find nothing more enjoyable then trying to use evolution with white fonts on a white background. I believe this happened when a used the gtk config gui in XFCE, which didn't give white on white. Why these settings would translate over to GNOME is beyond be (besides the technical reasons of an obvious shared file/resource). I mean where is it written that settings one makes in one gui translates to all gtk based gui's? You might think that Gnome could be setup without effecting XFCE, BB, Enlightenment, etc -et al. BUT Nooooo!
I miss Sawfish. After perusing Google for an answer (and Gnomes documentation has got to be the most obtuse and useless outside of the documentation for sound in linux) I came across quite a few mail threads on "brainstorm", apperently where gnome devs converse, and found something to the effect that having a setting for colors and fonts and/or both (e.g setting the colors of the fonts?) was a bad idea over the concept of the metacity theme manager and using that to set things up. Ok, fine! BUT Where the F**K is the settings of fonts, colors, or god forbid... FONT COLORS.
I give full acknowledgement to the improvements in speed and functionality in this latest edition of Gnome. However, it still IMHO is not very well design in some very obvious places. This isn't a SuSE issue alone, RH's default Gnome setup is just as idiotic and useless. I really get peaved at the Idea of have Gnome pushed as the default desktop gui, especially in the corporate environment when someone has to jump through 59 hoops, take 4 years of programming, and be well versed in gtk coding in order to do something as simple as set the color of the fonts. Oh, but I can choose a camouflage background for Nautilus -- ya, that's freaking fantastic!... Nice "feature".
I surely hope the guys at Ximian have done a better job at making the Gnome Desktop more user friendly and accessible - if not I can see a lot of user angst and bad press if SuSE begins to sell the Desktop edition to companies in any great volume. The various office workers that are confronted with such a braindead set of config options will surely drive the IT and management up the wall with the amount of negative complaints regarding how unfriendly the interface is.
No offense to any gtk/gnome2 devs, I know you work hard at your passion, but I'd really like to know who's decision it was to go with the half-bake configurator call metacity. If I wasn't so tolerant I might say something like "he should be slapped". But that would be anitsocial and incite a flame war now, wouldn't it?
<end rant>
Curtis.
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On Thursday 12 June 2003 21:34, Tom Nielsen wrote:
I can totally picture Gilbert Godfried, or how ever you spell his name, ranting. This was rather funny. Not to you of course, but to me. I especially like the, "Oh, but I can choose a camouflage background for Nautilus -- ya, that's freaking fantastic!... Nice "feature"." I could totally picture Gilbert ranting. I'm still smiling.
Thanks for the laugh. I'm sure it's not a laughing matter to you. But I did want to let you know that you brought a smile to someone. I've had a rough night.
Tom
On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 23:06, Curtis Rey wrote:
<rant>
Metacity SUX!!
Where the hell does one change the font colors? I find nothing more enjoyable then trying to use evolution with white fonts on a white background. I believe this happened when a used the gtk config gui in XFCE, which didn't give white on white. Why these settings would translate over to GNOME is beyond be (besides the technical reasons of an obvious shared file/resource). I mean where is it written that settings one makes in one gui translates to all gtk based gui's? You might think that Gnome could be setup without effecting XFCE, BB, Enlightenment, etc -et al. BUT Nooooo!
I miss Sawfish. After perusing Google for an answer (and Gnomes documentation has got to be the most obtuse and useless outside of the documentation for sound in linux) I came across quite a few mail threads on "brainstorm", apperently where gnome devs converse, and found something to the effect that having a setting for colors and fonts and/or both (e.g setting the colors of the fonts?) was a bad idea over the concept of the metacity theme manager and using that to set things up. Ok, fine! BUT Where the F**K is the settings of fonts, colors, or god forbid... FONT COLORS.
I give full acknowledgement to the improvements in speed and functionality in this latest edition of Gnome. However, it still IMHO is not very well design in some very obvious places. This isn't a SuSE issue alone, RH's default Gnome setup is just as idiotic and useless. I really get peaved at the Idea of have Gnome pushed as the default desktop gui, especially in the corporate environment when someone has to jump through 59 hoops, take 4 years of programming, and be well versed in gtk coding in order to do something as simple as set the color of the fonts. Oh, but I can choose a camouflage background for Nautilus -- ya, that's freaking fantastic!... Nice "feature".
I surely hope the guys at Ximian have done a better job at making the Gnome Desktop more user friendly and accessible - if not I can see a lot of user angst and bad press if SuSE begins to sell the Desktop edition to companies in any great volume. The various office workers that are confronted with such a braindead set of config options will surely drive the IT and management up the wall with the amount of negative complaints regarding how unfriendly the interface is.
No offense to any gtk/gnome2 devs, I know you work hard at your passion, but I'd really like to know who's decision it was to go with the half-bake configurator call metacity. If I wasn't so tolerant I might say something like "he should be slapped". But that would be anitsocial and incite a flame war now, wouldn't it?
<end rant>
Curtis.
I'm glad you had a laugh. I was very frustrated at the time but decided to vent it in the most smart ass way in order to keep from getting really mad and letting it eat at me. I just don't get it. I mean how out of touch can you be. It just doesn't make sense to switch from the functionality of Sawfish to the incompetence of Metacity - what were they thinking? Oh well. Maybe Gnome 3 will get it right? I'm hoping! Cheers, Curtis :)
On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 08:06, Curtis Rey wrote:
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Metacity SUX!!
Where the hell does one change the font colors?
Metacity doesn't control the fonts, as far as I know. If you use evolution 1.2.x or other gnome1 apps, you control the fonts from gnomecc. If it's gnome2, it's in the gnome control center. You changed the settings for gtk. gnome is built on gtk. It's not really a surprise that one affects the other. Would you be surprised if your qt settings affected kde?
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